Taking the law into your own hands

Taking the law into your own hands

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Biker 1

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7,690 posts

118 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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I just read this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/25/man-arm...

I wish it was legal to 'clip round the ear' all oiks who seem to think its acceptable to put their feet up on train seats, & any other chavvy muppet behaviour. 'Youth of today' & all that....

Rick101

6,959 posts

149 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Good on him.

Sadly 'taking the law into your own hands' seems to be dealt with quite vociferously but I guess that's down to essentially putting the police and judges out of a job. They really do not like it, even if your actions are generally considered reasonable.

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

175 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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That's the problem you just cant give kids a good old beating anymore.



vonhosen

40,198 posts

216 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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It's OK for you to act within the law in dealing with matters yourself, it's not OK for you to act however you like outside it.

remkingston

472 posts

146 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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vonhosen said:
It's OK for you to act within the law in dealing with matters yourself, it's not OK for you to act however you like outside it.

Mk3Spitfire

2,921 posts

127 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Rick101 said:
Good on him.

Sadly 'taking the law into your own hands' seems to be dealt with quite vociferously but I guess that's down to essentially putting the police and judges out of a job. They really do not like it, even if your actions are generally considered reasonable.
Yup. People arm locking kids for not taking their feet off seats is slowly and surely putting both the police, and judges out of a job. That's the reason it is looked dimly upon. It's nothing to do with proportionality of force used.

vxr8mate

1,654 posts

188 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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I tried looking at it from two angles:

If my old man arm-locked a kid that was being 'disrespectful' I would probably defend his actions.

If my child was being a little 'too cheeky' would I tell him to suck it up or have a go at the old boy for exceeding his authority?

Tricky one, but he probably should have just reported it to the guard.

TheBear

1,940 posts

245 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Rick101 said:
Good on him.

Sadly 'taking the law into your own hands' seems to be dealt with quite vociferously but I guess that's down to essentially putting the police and judges out of a job. They really do not like it, even if your actions are generally considered reasonable.
Not even close. It should be dealt with vociferously if it's outside of what is acceptable otherwise society will suffer greatly as people chose what suits them and dish out their own punishment.

'Sadly' armlocking and punching children who don't do as you want them to, regardless of their attitude, isn't reasonable, although I accept this is the Internet.

Retroman

961 posts

132 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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The guy is an idiot.

Try's to teach kids to follow rules by breaking laws.

If you can't tolerate other people breaking rules / laws and you simply must do something about it then it's best to make sure anything you do won't get you into trouble either.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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A grown adult decides that the appropriate response to a random sprog being a little turd is to physically assault them?
And people are defending this...?

grumpy52

5,565 posts

165 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Although the actions of the older guy are far from acceptable, the fact that children of this age travelling alone ,ignoring the signs about feet on seats and ignoring and provoking somebody by repeating anti social behaviour is somehow deemed acceptable shows what is really wrong with society.

Edited by grumpy52 on Monday 25th July 13:25

cmaguire

3,589 posts

108 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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grumpy52 said:
Although the actions of the older guy are far from acceptable, the fact that children of this age travelling alone ,ignoring the signs about feet on seats and ignoring and provoking somebody by repeating anti social behaviour is somehow deemed acceptable shows what is really wrong with society.

Edited by grumpy52 on Monday 25th July 13:25
I agree.

Ever since parents starting treating their kids like mates or 'negotiating' with them things have been going downhill at a rapid rate as far as respect is concerned.

It's the parents that need a slap or alternative punishment.

Gavin0478

472 posts

140 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Where were the parents of the kids so young traveling on the train alone!!!

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

175 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Could people suggest another way the guy could of dealt with this? Not saying he did the right thing.


He could of called the guard and the guard could also be powerless to do anything, or the guard could kick him off the train. Another good headline "Train Guard leaves 8 year old stranded"

Kids have the power these days and they know it.


Retroman

961 posts

132 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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PAULJ5555 said:
Could people suggest another way the guy could of dealt with this? Not saying he did the right thing.


He could of called the guard and the guard could also be powerless to do anything, or the guard could kick him off the train. Another good headline "Train Guard leaves 8 year old stranded"

Kids have the power these days and they know it.
Engaged in a staring contest.
Farted and wafted it in their direction.
Ignored them.

I'm sure there are lots of things he could have done.

poo at Paul's

14,116 posts

174 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Carry some great big cable ties with you and just zip tie their legs together, then get off!



It's pretty disgraceful what he did tbh.





Only one puch to the ribs and an armlock, he should have stamped on their bks.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
A grown adult decides that the appropriate response to a random sprog being a little turd is to physically assault them?
And people are defending this...?
this is PH where Dogs, staff, sons, daughters and wives are chattels and the 'rule of thumb' is felt to be the best solution to many issues ...

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Love the employment link due to enforcing the law against adults assaulting kids.

remkingston said:
vonhosen said:
It's OK for you to act within the law in dealing with matters yourself, it's not OK for you to act however you like outside it.
Evidently not obvious enough for someone people whom support what the chap did.

blueg33

35,574 posts

223 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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would he have done the same if it was 20 year old tattooed thug with his feet on the seat? My guess is no.

The kids were almost certainly being cocky foul mouthed little oiks, but they are still kids and it sounds like the force was disproportionate. He should have raised the issue with the guard.

(Northern rail trains are horribly filthy inside, so feet on seats probably makes no difference)

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

175 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Retroman said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Could people suggest another way the guy could of dealt with this? Not saying he did the right thing.


He could of called the guard and the guard could also be powerless to do anything, or the guard could kick him off the train. Another good headline "Train Guard leaves 8 year old stranded"

Kids have the power these days and they know it.
Engaged in a staring contest.
Farted and wafted it in their direction.
Ignored them.

I'm sure there are lots of things he could have done.
Thanks very helpful ------- NOT