U.S.A Emmigration
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burritoNinja said:
When I mentioned that some pretended to not understand me was out of racism. It was within the mannerism in which it was conducted and also the racist comments made to other members of staff made behind my back that was later relayed to me. One of the managers whom I was friendly with told me that there was prejudice against me by those particular people.There was a fellow British person who had a stronger accent than mine whom was fully understood by these people. She happened to be popular with them and was in their "click".
One story that nearly came to violence was in a local Mexican cafe. The guy thought I was putting on an accent to mock his accent. He nearly get physical and my wife was trying to resolve the situation too and explain that I was British. I took out my "green card" to show him my nationality. He felt really bad and we got free shirts. He later explained that he had been subjected to so much racism in the town we lived.
I served in the US Army and only encountered maybe 3 people being racist towards me. One was from a stupid little girl who said I would not understand "their" jokes as I was not one of "them". I was rather maused at how many British people were in the US Army. We had a Geordie in a different unit and next to nobody understood him.
Small town America is what I would avoid based on my own experiences.
Just a quick question, when you mention racism, I assume you are not "white british"?One story that nearly came to violence was in a local Mexican cafe. The guy thought I was putting on an accent to mock his accent. He nearly get physical and my wife was trying to resolve the situation too and explain that I was British. I took out my "green card" to show him my nationality. He felt really bad and we got free shirts. He later explained that he had been subjected to so much racism in the town we lived.
I served in the US Army and only encountered maybe 3 people being racist towards me. One was from a stupid little girl who said I would not understand "their" jokes as I was not one of "them". I was rather maused at how many British people were in the US Army. We had a Geordie in a different unit and next to nobody understood him.
Small town America is what I would avoid based on my own experiences.
And how would a little girl be in the army?
And how does a British accent sound anything like a Mexican one?
Your stories sound very far fetched.
supermotorist said:
Just a quick question, when you mention racism, I assume you are not "white british"?
And how would a little girl be in the army?
And how does a British accent sound anything like a Mexican one?
Your stories sound very far fetched.
Yes I am White British and racism is not exlcusive to non-whites. Racism takes many forms. My very white American wife has experienced racism against her in the UK. Females can join the US Military from same age as males and also females go through basic training and AIT with males. In my BCT platoon photo, at least 30 of the other soldiers are females, aged between 18 and 35. I might go count how many females are in it. With exception of infantry I believe. I was 27 year old in the military and the young girl had just turned 19. To me a 19 year old is a kid. And I never said my accent sounded Mexican. I was dealing with a Mexican man who thought I was putting on an accent to make fun of him. He did not understand my accent. Not really far fetched. And how would a little girl be in the army?
And how does a British accent sound anything like a Mexican one?
Your stories sound very far fetched.
Edited by burritoNinja on Friday 29th July 16:00
Edited by burritoNinja on Friday 29th July 16:02
98elise said:
Agreed. Regional variances across the UK are hard enough. Now imagine how hard that is for someone who may have lived their entire life in one US state.
Estuary English is awful. Its my native accent and I try to curb it as much as possible.
I'm Somerset born and bred, and constantly trying to remember to not talk like a pirate. Estuary English is awful. Its my native accent and I try to curb it as much as possible.
5ohmustang said:
As a ex pat British, naturalized American I found small town America full of the nicest people I have ever met. I avoid cities like the plague. Thats usually where the libtards and hipsters are concentrated.
As others have said a work visa is very hard to get. Some people buy their way in with half a mil, while celebrities get some kind of entertainment visa.
I came here on a student visa, later married, applied for the green card, joined the U.S. Army and a month later I was later naturalized. I would have got my citizenship anyway, but it saved a 3 year wait.
I would strongly advise your daughter not to go to California. It is full of libtards and they have royally screwed up their state. It is not the place that is portrayed in liberal hollywood or t.v.
Every family I have met from California in the military would not move back. All of them said it's a very nice place to visit, but not to live. If your daughter is an outdoors person, Colorado is the no. 1 place to be.
Thanks for the tip.As others have said a work visa is very hard to get. Some people buy their way in with half a mil, while celebrities get some kind of entertainment visa.
I came here on a student visa, later married, applied for the green card, joined the U.S. Army and a month later I was later naturalized. I would have got my citizenship anyway, but it saved a 3 year wait.
I would strongly advise your daughter not to go to California. It is full of libtards and they have royally screwed up their state. It is not the place that is portrayed in liberal hollywood or t.v.
Every family I have met from California in the military would not move back. All of them said it's a very nice place to visit, but not to live. If your daughter is an outdoors person, Colorado is the no. 1 place to be.
5ohmustang said:
As a ex pat British, naturalized American I found small town America full of the nicest people I have ever met. I avoid cities like the plague. Thats usually where the libtards and hipsters are concentrated.
As others have said a work visa is very hard to get. Some people buy their way in with half a mil, while celebrities get some kind of entertainment visa.
I came here on a student visa, later married, applied for the green card, joined the U.S. Army and a month later I was later naturalized. I would have got my citizenship anyway, but it saved a 3 year wait.
I would strongly advise your daughter not to go to California. It is full of libtards and they have royally screwed up their state. It is not the place that is portrayed in liberal hollywood or t.v.
Every family I have met from California in the military would not move back. All of them said it's a very nice place to visit, but not to live. If your daughter is an outdoors person, Colorado is the no. 1 place to be.
This is not the experience I had of San Fransisco or LA. I found both cities to be both liberal and actually quite close to what is portraighed on TV. As others have said a work visa is very hard to get. Some people buy their way in with half a mil, while celebrities get some kind of entertainment visa.
I came here on a student visa, later married, applied for the green card, joined the U.S. Army and a month later I was later naturalized. I would have got my citizenship anyway, but it saved a 3 year wait.
I would strongly advise your daughter not to go to California. It is full of libtards and they have royally screwed up their state. It is not the place that is portrayed in liberal hollywood or t.v.
Every family I have met from California in the military would not move back. All of them said it's a very nice place to visit, but not to live. If your daughter is an outdoors person, Colorado is the no. 1 place to be.
While that might not be the case for all of California, my experience was good.
I am not a celebrity, but managed to get an O1 visa without too much trouble.
Colorado is good for the outdoors but I would sugest avoiding Colorado Springs unless you are very much into religion.
5ohmustang said:
As a ex pat British, naturalized American I found small town America full of the nicest people I have ever met. I avoid cities like the plague. Thats usually where the libtards and hipsters are concentrated.
As others have said a work visa is very hard to get. Some people buy their way in with half a mil, while celebrities get some kind of entertainment visa.
I came here on a student visa, later married, applied for the green card, joined the U.S. Army and a month later I was later naturalized. I would have got my citizenship anyway, but it saved a 3 year wait.
I would strongly advise your daughter not to go to California. It is full of libtards and they have royally screwed up their state. It is not the place that is portrayed in liberal hollywood or t.v.
Every family I have met from California in the military would not move back. All of them said it's a very nice place to visit, but not to live. If your daughter is an outdoors person, Colorado is the no. 1 place to be.
Small town America do have nice people, I just happened to find the village idiots where I lived. But my town was regarded as being rather backwards by the locals in other towns. CA is damn expensive. Met a good few who left CA due to the cost of living there. Never been there myself but always fancied going to LA to see what it is like. Have you been to Hollywood? As others have said a work visa is very hard to get. Some people buy their way in with half a mil, while celebrities get some kind of entertainment visa.
I came here on a student visa, later married, applied for the green card, joined the U.S. Army and a month later I was later naturalized. I would have got my citizenship anyway, but it saved a 3 year wait.
I would strongly advise your daughter not to go to California. It is full of libtards and they have royally screwed up their state. It is not the place that is portrayed in liberal hollywood or t.v.
Every family I have met from California in the military would not move back. All of them said it's a very nice place to visit, but not to live. If your daughter is an outdoors person, Colorado is the no. 1 place to be.
Cheers for your service. What was your MOS? I was 88M.
5ohmustang said:
Colorado is the no. 1 place to be.
As a resident, I feel obligated to tell you that it isn't it's hugely overcrowded, snows all the time, even in Summer, cost of living is through the roof, etc, you'd hate it.
Olivero said:
Colorado is good for the outdoors but I would sugest avoiding Colorado Springs unless you are very much into religion.
People I know from the springs suggest avoiding it entirely. Unlike my comments above, this isn't tongue in cheek.Oh, BTW - go and post on the USA forum if Matt Harper hasn't responded by tomorrow, best visa advice short of a lawyer. And considerably cheaper.
jimmyjimjim said:
People I know from the springs suggest avoiding it entirely. Unlike my comments above, this isn't tongue in cheek.
Oh, BTW - go and post on the USA forum if Matt Harper hasn't responded by tomorrow, best visa advice short of a lawyer. And considerably cheaper.
Mind me asking what part are you from? I lived in Colorado Springs and loved it! Sure, once you go to the east side towards Fountain it gets blah and then turns into desert plains, but west Colorado Springs and west of the front range it is heaven on earth. Oh, BTW - go and post on the USA forum if Matt Harper hasn't responded by tomorrow, best visa advice short of a lawyer. And considerably cheaper.
I lived half a mile from garden of the gods and I had a view of pikes peak from my back garden. Every night, herds of deer would roam in the streets and my garden, no humidity, perfect temperature, so, so much to do. Tons of places to go shooting in the mountains, more hiking trails than I could ever trek. As soon as I get out of the Army we will be moving back (or maybe to Alaska). The problem with the springs is that there are too many military peeps and the roads are very badly potholed. Not to mention the altitude reduces bhp. In the winter i'd drive my friends evo x as there was no way the mustang would make it off my street with p zeros in the snow. My garbage can would be turned over and trash everywhere from rumaging bears on a weekly basis.
Woodland park, divide, florissant, buena vista, crestone, minturn, steamboat springs, estes park, telluride etc.... There are sooo many magical places there. I am not a religious person by any means, but there is something truly magical there.
I spent all my time there looking for a nice log home in the mountains, I kept stalling and the property prices just kept on climbing. I bought a large log home in the Appalachians instead. The cost of living in the Appalachians is much lower than Colorado. One day.
I'm in Parker. Previously Highlands Ranch. Previously St. Albans and Croydon...
The people commenting on the springs were more concerned about the seedier areas of it, and the rise in crime. Several weren't very comfortable commuting to Denver and leaving their wives alone.
And yes, house prices in Colorado are getting absurd. Mine has gone up probably a third in 5 years.
The people commenting on the springs were more concerned about the seedier areas of it, and the rise in crime. Several weren't very comfortable commuting to Denver and leaving their wives alone.
And yes, house prices in Colorado are getting absurd. Mine has gone up probably a third in 5 years.
Edited by jimmyjimjim on Thursday 4th August 06:22
I've been out of town working, so only now got around to spotting this.
I'm sure that a lot of what's needed to have been highlighted, has been - though some of the details are a little inaccurate.
Poster GCH has given you a good steer, in my opinion.
A couple of key points are worth bearing in mind when this subject comes up.
If the route in is via employment - it is the employer, not the employee that initiates and drives the petition. So unless you are the employer AND the employee, you are the passive party - i.e. the beneficiary cannot apply for an employment based visa.
Contrary to popular belief, the employer does NOT need to demonstrate that there are no USCs in the employment pool who could perform the work - that process comes later (in the case of H1-B) and not at all in the case of L1-A/B.
All employment based visas, apart from EB categories are considered 'temporary'.
Individuals, other than parents, siblings or children of the beneficiary cannot petition for any form of immigration status.
Just wanted to clear up a comment made by burritoNinja that could easily be misunderstood. He/she was referencing affidavit of support that only applies to family/marriage petitions and is essentially taking financial responsibility for the beneficiary until green card conditions are lifted (only applicable to petitions by marriage).
The reality is that getting a job offer is relatively straightforward. Getting the visa is a lot more complex. Potential employers who are unfamiliar with the immigration visa process, often back-off when they realize the costs and bureaucracy involved on their part.
From the original post, it looks like an E2 Investor Treaty visa was a consideration. Establishing or buying a US business is a common route, but a VERY hazardous one, with no obvious route to permanency, constantly subject to renewal scrutiny and potentially very expensive to initiate and maintain.
I have quite a lot of experience in this bizarre realm, as a beneficiary and a petitioner - and am always happy to share my experiences - but am no substitute for an experienced immigration lawyer - and I can recommend one or two of them too, if required.
At risk of being flippant, the easiest route I see based on what is shared thus far is for the OP's daughter to start subscribing to the US version of match.com
I'm sure that a lot of what's needed to have been highlighted, has been - though some of the details are a little inaccurate.
Poster GCH has given you a good steer, in my opinion.
A couple of key points are worth bearing in mind when this subject comes up.
If the route in is via employment - it is the employer, not the employee that initiates and drives the petition. So unless you are the employer AND the employee, you are the passive party - i.e. the beneficiary cannot apply for an employment based visa.
Contrary to popular belief, the employer does NOT need to demonstrate that there are no USCs in the employment pool who could perform the work - that process comes later (in the case of H1-B) and not at all in the case of L1-A/B.
All employment based visas, apart from EB categories are considered 'temporary'.
Individuals, other than parents, siblings or children of the beneficiary cannot petition for any form of immigration status.
Just wanted to clear up a comment made by burritoNinja that could easily be misunderstood. He/she was referencing affidavit of support that only applies to family/marriage petitions and is essentially taking financial responsibility for the beneficiary until green card conditions are lifted (only applicable to petitions by marriage).
The reality is that getting a job offer is relatively straightforward. Getting the visa is a lot more complex. Potential employers who are unfamiliar with the immigration visa process, often back-off when they realize the costs and bureaucracy involved on their part.
From the original post, it looks like an E2 Investor Treaty visa was a consideration. Establishing or buying a US business is a common route, but a VERY hazardous one, with no obvious route to permanency, constantly subject to renewal scrutiny and potentially very expensive to initiate and maintain.
I have quite a lot of experience in this bizarre realm, as a beneficiary and a petitioner - and am always happy to share my experiences - but am no substitute for an experienced immigration lawyer - and I can recommend one or two of them too, if required.
At risk of being flippant, the easiest route I see based on what is shared thus far is for the OP's daughter to start subscribing to the US version of match.com
Thanks Matt.
I've gone down the marry an American route and it's not been well received.
Nothing against Americans mind you.
Also looked at her buying a business but it's a bit cart and horse there.
I feel she needs to spend time in the States,and work in that industry, to truly understand the business culture.
She's got a decent job here and doesn't want to lose it.
I've gone down the marry an American route and it's not been well received.
Nothing against Americans mind you.
Also looked at her buying a business but it's a bit cart and horse there.
I feel she needs to spend time in the States,and work in that industry, to truly understand the business culture.
She's got a decent job here and doesn't want to lose it.
The real issue then is finding a petitioner for an employment based visa who has a position that she is qualified to fill and that is considered to be appropriate by USCIS.
Those visas would be in categories E1/2, H1-B, L1-A/B and O1
E category is Treaty Trader (E1) and Treaty Investor (E2) Neither would logically apply to a beneficiary working in a gym - unless they bought and existing business or established a new one. E criteria are tricky, because they require substantial 'at risk' investment and a tacit requirement to employ USCs. There is no straightforward route to permanence and if visa renewal is denied for any reason, the whole premise implodes.
H1-B category requires that the role being filled requires a bachelors degree - i.e. a job coaching in a weight room would not be considered appropriate for H1-B because it does not typically require a degree, whereas a job managing a facility probably would meet H1-B requirements.
This visa category is very heavily oversubscribed and has a very narrow application window, so invariably it boils down to a once per year lottery, with 60,000 visas available for around 250,000 applicants.
L1-A/B only apply to US businesses that are subsidiaries of non-US treaty nations (one of which is UK) and are available for intra-company transfers of executives, managers and specialist employees.
O1 is a category that applies to individuals who are considered to be exceptional talents in the fields of science, business, the arts and sports. Although the qualifying criteria are not as stringent as the 'exceptional talent' verbiage may suggest, beneficiaries, still need to be nationally recognized, published, accredited, awarded etc., to qualify.
The reality is that USCIS goes to some lengths to prevent people emigrating, rather than encouraging them to. They are singularly unconcerned about what people want or would like to do, regarding relocation to the US - and only consider those, whom they feel would make a positive contribution to the economy and society (their language, not mine).
What your daughter wishes to do will never be easy to accomplish. The VAST majority of UK citizens who reside here permanently have done so via marriage or close family - those of us who have done it "the hard way' (myself included) via employment or business establishment have all faced a bureaucratic, angst-filled uphill struggle that costs a lot, both financially and emotionally and takes time (years in my case) to come to fruition.
That said, I genuinely feel that it is worth it. If you are prepared to work hard and have more than basic ability, the opportunities and rewards are generous. I would never willingly return to the UK to live, when I compare my standard of living here to what it would be, had I stayed put.
If she wants it badly enough, she'll find a way - just don't expect it to be a breeze.
Those visas would be in categories E1/2, H1-B, L1-A/B and O1
E category is Treaty Trader (E1) and Treaty Investor (E2) Neither would logically apply to a beneficiary working in a gym - unless they bought and existing business or established a new one. E criteria are tricky, because they require substantial 'at risk' investment and a tacit requirement to employ USCs. There is no straightforward route to permanence and if visa renewal is denied for any reason, the whole premise implodes.
H1-B category requires that the role being filled requires a bachelors degree - i.e. a job coaching in a weight room would not be considered appropriate for H1-B because it does not typically require a degree, whereas a job managing a facility probably would meet H1-B requirements.
This visa category is very heavily oversubscribed and has a very narrow application window, so invariably it boils down to a once per year lottery, with 60,000 visas available for around 250,000 applicants.
L1-A/B only apply to US businesses that are subsidiaries of non-US treaty nations (one of which is UK) and are available for intra-company transfers of executives, managers and specialist employees.
O1 is a category that applies to individuals who are considered to be exceptional talents in the fields of science, business, the arts and sports. Although the qualifying criteria are not as stringent as the 'exceptional talent' verbiage may suggest, beneficiaries, still need to be nationally recognized, published, accredited, awarded etc., to qualify.
The reality is that USCIS goes to some lengths to prevent people emigrating, rather than encouraging them to. They are singularly unconcerned about what people want or would like to do, regarding relocation to the US - and only consider those, whom they feel would make a positive contribution to the economy and society (their language, not mine).
What your daughter wishes to do will never be easy to accomplish. The VAST majority of UK citizens who reside here permanently have done so via marriage or close family - those of us who have done it "the hard way' (myself included) via employment or business establishment have all faced a bureaucratic, angst-filled uphill struggle that costs a lot, both financially and emotionally and takes time (years in my case) to come to fruition.
That said, I genuinely feel that it is worth it. If you are prepared to work hard and have more than basic ability, the opportunities and rewards are generous. I would never willingly return to the UK to live, when I compare my standard of living here to what it would be, had I stayed put.
If she wants it badly enough, she'll find a way - just don't expect it to be a breeze.
jimmyjimjim said:
As a resident, I feel obligated to tell you that it isn't it's hugely overcrowded, snows all the time, even in Summer, cost of living is through the roof, etc, you'd hate it.
Funny you should mention, I'm looking at moving in the New Year and our Denver office is currently my top pick.I had the choice of Colorado or New Jersey. As many would put it, no choice at all.
There's no denying the fact that there has been a lot of immigration to Colorado over the last few years. Check on house prices etc. before coming over and use that to bargain with your company on salary and so on.
There's no denying the fact that there has been a lot of immigration to Colorado over the last few years. Check on house prices etc. before coming over and use that to bargain with your company on salary and so on.
jimmyjimjim said:
I had the choice of Colorado or New Jersey. As many would put it, no choice at all.
There's no denying the fact that there has been a lot of immigration to Colorado over the last few years. Check on house prices etc. before coming over and use that to bargain with your company on salary and so on.
If it was me I would not live in the Denver metro area. I'd take the housing allowance and live west of the Front Range and get the proper Rocky Mountain High Experience. Buy an awd and spend that extra time commuting as the views are spectacular. Denver property is very expensive, just not London expensive. I hope the rest of the states legalize weeds too, as it will hopefully stop the rich hipster kids flocking to Colorado in their Volvo 245 wagons.There's no denying the fact that there has been a lot of immigration to Colorado over the last few years. Check on house prices etc. before coming over and use that to bargain with your company on salary and so on.
5ohmustang said:
If it was me I would not live in the Denver metro area. I'd take the housing allowance and live west of the Front Range and get the proper Rocky Mountain High Experience.
Colleagues (native Coloradans) did this for one winter. "Never again" was their comment.Note also that housing gets more expensive as you head west.
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