HR mucking me about...

[HiRoller]

Just found out the other engineers are on £13k per annum more than me.

[hidetheelephants]

Ask for a written agreement that in 4-6 months you get a review, if you've met their expectations you get put on the engineer payscale; if they won't give you that they're taking the piss.

[V8mate]

hidetheelephants said:

Ask for a written agreement that in 4-6 months you get a review, if you've met their expectations you get put on the engineer payscale; if they won't give you that they're taking the piss.

I disagree. He's either good enough for the role or he's not. And if he is, he should get paid properly.

He's got another offer in hand, so he should call their bluff.

[hidetheelephants]

I agree, but the OP seems minded to stick it out; if he does he needs to get some clarity about what's what.

[xjay1337]

The way I would deal with it, if I had another offer with stronger package, is I'd take the other offer.
Imagine how stingey they must be, they've basically upped you to a higher level role without an increase in salary.

The other thing you could do is offer to work for a month to show your capability and if that was successful then you expect the suitable up-rise in pay.

you could bluff with the other company making you an offer and say you would take the job but you have a months notice... ergo giving you a month to grow into your current position. then after 3 weeks of working at your new company if they dont sort you out, you can just up and leave.

[HiRoller]

I have tried to negotiate a performance related pay increase upon successful completion of my probationary period. It was explained that it was very difficult for them to do..

I explained that it wasn't really my concern if it was difficult.

I'm looking at taking the other offer I have.
As I have not signed any document mentioning notice period.. what am I obligated to give?

[xjay1337]

HiRoller said:

I have tried to negotiate a performance related pay increase upon successful completion of my probationary period. It was explained that it was very difficult for them to do..

I explained that it wasn't really my concern if it was difficult.

I'm looking at taking the other offer I have.
As I have not signed any document mentioning notice period.. what am I obligated to give?

I would give 1 week notice.

Take the other job. Tell them you can start (as of) next week .
Once they have confirmed acceptance of your offer then hand notice in to your current employer saying you are giving them 1 weeks notice.
Job jobbed.

Good for you.

[Trophy Husband]

xjay1337 said:

I would give 1 week notice.

Take the other job. Tell them you can start (as of) next week .
Once they have confirmed acceptance of your offer then hand notice in to your current employer saying you are giving them 1 weeks notice.
Job jobbed.

Good for you.

I would add that once you have decided. Do not let them counter offer. It never works out right in my experience.

[xjay1337]

Trophy Husband said:

I would add that once you have decided. Do not let them counter offer. It never works out right in my experience.

I agree.

It shouldn't take leaving to get what you are deserved.

At my last company, a bloke was making noises about leaving for ages.
Always moaned about this and that (rightly so, it was crap). He left. After 3 months he came back.
He was a nice bloke, very good at his job, and no-one said anything to his face, but my god he didn't half get some stick for his decision to come back.

[hornetrider]

HiRoller said:

Just found out the other engineers are on £13k per annum more than me.

For me it seems simple. You were offered a technician role at 27k, and accepted. They have since employed you in a more senior role, with more responsibility. Put your foot down and say it wasn't what you signed up for.

[brickwall]

Sounds like they need a kick up the arse. Resign - if they want you they'll come back with a stronger offer.

[monoloco]

Trophy Husband said:

xjay1337 said:

I would give 1 week notice.

Take the other job. Tell them you can start (as of) next week .
Once they have confirmed acceptance of your offer then hand notice in to your current employer saying you are giving them 1 weeks notice.
Job jobbed.

Good for you.

I would add that once you have decided. Do not let them counter offer. It never works out right in my experience.

ditto that last comment! after 20+ years as an Engineering Recruitment Consultant I can almost guarantee anyone taking a counter-offer will be job hunting again within six months. lets face it -they're taking the p*ss paying you under the odds and if they think you're worth more cash then why were they under paying you to begin with -they're just abusing you because they think they can get away with it.

[Foliage]

If they try to counter offer, ask for an extra £27k a year. This sounds like a company of scumbag, some directors seen that your being interviewed, seen the resignation of another engineer put that together and seen a nice bonus for themselves. But the reality is its back fired they are back where they started needing a Technician and am Engineer.

Also never ever ever tell them how much you want to be paid, that's the Hiring persons job to figure out, why do their job for them, if they don't know walk away. You have to remember a job interview is 2 sided, your interviewing them as well as them interviewing you, people are subservient when that's the completely wrong approach.

[marcusgrant]

Have you spoken to anyone high up in the firm (a partner), not HR? What about the people that interviewed you.

I'd imagine it's not HR making the call on what pay/title/work you have etc, so that's probably why they aren't much help.

I work in engineering and HR should know that there are differences between technician and engineers!

[GCH]

HiRoller said:

Just found out the other engineers are on £13k per annum more than me.

There is your answer.

xjay1337 said:

I would give 1 week notice.

Take the other job. Tell them you can start (as of) next week .
Once they have confirmed acceptance of your offer then hand notice in to your current employer saying you are giving them 1 weeks notice.
Job jobbed.

There is your solution.

[StuTheGrouch]

GCH said:

HiRoller said:

Just found out the other engineers are on £13k per annum more than me.

There is your answer.

xjay1337 said:

I would give 1 week notice.

Take the other job. Tell them you can start (as of) next week .
Once they have confirmed acceptance of your offer then hand notice in to your current employer saying you are giving them 1 weeks notice.
Job jobbed.

There is your solution.

Contrary to my earlier suggestion, I agree with this approach now. That's quite a difference in salaries.

Keep us updated OP

[carreauchompeur]

"HR messing me around"
"They all do that, sir"

[Neil H]

Perhaps because you went in for the Technician role they think you are not worth paying full money for the Engineers role? It sounds like they see you as a convenience, so personally I would resign and go for the other opportunity, making it clear that the salary issue is the reason. If they don't counter then you'll know that was the case.

[xjay1337]

Update op please?

[HiRoller]

Still trying to get any sense from HR..

Thanks for all your replies and I will update soon hopefully.