Why is the recruitment process not working?
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bad company said:
768 said:
Pick a specialty you're interested in, rewrite your CV to cover it as best you can and pursue that route?
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There's no reason you can't have 2 or more CV's. Always factual but each highlighting different areas is expertise / experience. .
bad company said:
It's no good sounding off against the recruitment agents though. They have to find the candidates their clients want to hire.
I'm not sounding off against agencies because I can't find a job - and as I have already stated, not all agencies are bad (but it seems there are more bad ones than good ones).Another recent example I can cite is that recently (last month) I attended an interview, was told by the interviewer(s) that they would feedback to the agency, however.. After providing my (good) feedback to the agency, the recruiter told me he would get back to me with their feedback.
Do you think he did? No.
Repeated calls / emails to said agency went ignored, so I was left to assume that the feedback was not good.
So why won't the recruiter provide feedback, even if it's negative? And this is not the first time it's happened.
TonyRPH said:
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So why won't the recruiter provide feedback, even if it's negative? And this is not the first time it's happened.
I'd guess it's risk. If you say nothing, you can't be sued. If you try to give feedback, there is a risk that someone will decide you've strayed over a line somewhere with an "ism". So why won't the recruiter provide feedback, even if it's negative? And this is not the first time it's happened.
Plus, being brutal about it, I would suspect there's little business benefit to helping a candidate who didn't get the job (except, possibly, where it's a high salary and you have another vacancy that would also suit them already on your books).
TonyRPH said:
I'm not sounding off against agencies because I can't find a job - and as I have already stated, not all agencies are bad (but it seems there are more bad ones than good ones).
Another recent example I can cite is that recently (last month) I attended an interview, was told by the interviewer(s) that they would feedback to the agency, however.. After providing my (good) feedback to the agency, the recruiter told me he would get back to me with their feedback.
Do you think he did? No.
Repeated calls / emails to said agency went ignored, so I was left to assume that the feedback was not good.
So why won't the recruiter provide feedback, even if it's negative? And this is not the first time it's happened.
I can only suggest that you call the agency again and insist on speaking to the owner / manager.Another recent example I can cite is that recently (last month) I attended an interview, was told by the interviewer(s) that they would feedback to the agency, however.. After providing my (good) feedback to the agency, the recruiter told me he would get back to me with their feedback.
Do you think he did? No.
Repeated calls / emails to said agency went ignored, so I was left to assume that the feedback was not good.
So why won't the recruiter provide feedback, even if it's negative? And this is not the first time it's happened.
I'm starting to understand why nobody wants to employ you though.
CaptainSlow said:
bad company said:
I'm starting to understand why nobody wants to employ you though.
Why? Is it too much to expect to receive some feedback after a candidate has invested a few hours prepping, travelling to&from and attending an interview?bad company said:
In my 23 years experience in recruitment if the agency has feedback they will pass it on. If they haven't they can't.
Maybe that's how *your* company operated, however it would appear that others have different standards.ETA: And if the recruiter had no feedback to offer, it would have been courteous to volunteer this information anyway, would it not?
All it takes is a simple one line email, that is all. And an email costs nothing (apart from 2 minutes of time).
Edited by TonyRPH on Wednesday 2nd November 19:37
Orchid1 said:
Recruitment consultants are the sneakiest slimiest most dishonest people i've ever come across who lie, lie and lie again in order to make shady deals and protect their commission.
I don't know if there already is one but if not there should be an independent body set up to monitor them and deal with complaints.
Having just completed 6 months in my new job after 18months of unemployment and having to deal with recruitment consultants on a daily basis, I don't know if there already is one but if not there should be an independent body set up to monitor them and deal with complaints.
This is the sound of me disagreeing with you
I believe the choice of recruitment consultant is generally a reflection of the integrity of the client company. When I was hiring regularly we started with a lazy retained firm "vetted" and approved by our purchasing department. On my first hire their account manager turned up in a camel overcoat over his shoulders for the meeting and subsequentky submitted a bunch of profiles from their "inventory" with little comment. I quickly insisted on an alternative agency. The new firm took the time get to know me, my boss and our business and placed three great people over the next 12 months. They insisted on a full de-brief after every interview. I assume this was communicated back.
ChasW said:
I believe the choice of recruitment consultant is generally a reflection of the integrity of the client company. When I was hiring regularly we started with a lazy retained firm "vetted" and approved by our purchasing department. On my first hire their account manager turned up in a camel overcoat over his shoulders for the meeting and subsequentky submitted a bunch of profiles from their "inventory" with little comment. I quickly insisted on an alternative agency. The new firm took the time get to know me, my boss and our business and placed three great people over the next 12 months. They insisted on a full de-brief after every interview. I assume this was communicated back.
That's the way to do it. 
The trouble is too many employers instruct multiple agencies for the same job. The result is often a 'cv race' where quantity triumphs over quality.
John D. said:
I expect they didn't actually get feedback from the employer.
In which case, all they had to do was tell me that no feedback was given, rather than just ignore me.bad company said:
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I'm starting to understand why nobody wants to employ you though.
You don't even know me, so I'm not quite sure what qualifies you to make such a statement?I'm starting to understand why nobody wants to employ you though.
The recruitment process is not working because hirers ask inane questions like this http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Events with MrsA today.
1. agency contacted with a "spurious" vacancy well outside that actually being sought - ended up a fishing trip, what else you apply for, where when, how much etc....complete waste of time.
2. a.n other 2nd agency contacted with a "suitable" vacancy. 2hrs later a phone chat with organisation - further 2 hours later, reqd docs supplied / exchanged 6 months start 14th Nov.
Moral of the story.............some good, some not so good.
1. agency contacted with a "spurious" vacancy well outside that actually being sought - ended up a fishing trip, what else you apply for, where when, how much etc....complete waste of time.
2. a.n other 2nd agency contacted with a "suitable" vacancy. 2hrs later a phone chat with organisation - further 2 hours later, reqd docs supplied / exchanged 6 months start 14th Nov.
Moral of the story.............some good, some not so good.
The problem is - what are the alternatives?
For a previous placement, we advertised direct. I wasted a couple of days going through a pile of applications from people who obvously hadn't even read the advert properly. You end up culling them on the most spurious grounds, just to get a "long list" of possibles that are worth considering.
And the guy we ended up with interviewed well, but was a bit of a disaster.
His replacement was found via a personal recommendation - we didn't advertise at all - and he's been with us nearly 5 years now.
Every job I've had in the last 20 years has been via word of mouth / personal contacts.
For a previous placement, we advertised direct. I wasted a couple of days going through a pile of applications from people who obvously hadn't even read the advert properly. You end up culling them on the most spurious grounds, just to get a "long list" of possibles that are worth considering.
And the guy we ended up with interviewed well, but was a bit of a disaster.
His replacement was found via a personal recommendation - we didn't advertise at all - and he's been with us nearly 5 years now.
Every job I've had in the last 20 years has been via word of mouth / personal contacts.
AW111 said:
The problem is - what are the alternatives?
For senior roles I'm finding LinkedIn quite good. If you've worked in a certain field then chances are that most of your Connections work (or know of somebody who works) in a similar field. It costs nothing to let people know what you're looking for.I guess it's the modern-day equivalent of "word of mouth".
Countdown said:
AW111 said:
The problem is - what are the alternatives?
For senior roles I'm finding LinkedIn quite good. If you've worked in a certain field then chances are that most of your Connections work (or know of somebody who works) in a similar field. It costs nothing to let people know what you're looking for.I guess it's the modern-day equivalent of "word of mouth".
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