Final written warning

[eliot]

SpeckledJim said:

Sounds like they are managing you out, and from the shirty, haughty, affronted, I-know-my-rights way the OP is written, I can possibly imagine why.

Exactly this.

If you want to keep your job, keep your head down and don't give them a reason for get shot of you.
if "everyone else" is doing it and you are not, they will pick on someone else next. However, it sounds like they are looking to get shot of you.

If you don't want the job, still keep your head down and start looking for another job now.

[davepoth]

If the only grounds for appeal is "Everyone else in the department should be disciplined too" you won't be flavour of the month with your colleagues.

If your manager has been asking someone to get him a sandwich, that would fall into the clause you likely have in your contract where you have to do things your manager tells you to do.

Man up and work those two minutes a day, or leave. Your choice.

[Monkeylegend]

shed full o rust said:

You have my sincere sympathy Gary.
In my experience about 50% of management are complete a holes, and I suspect they were just making an example of you.
As we've effectively had variations on tory government since the 3rd of May 1979, you effectively have no employee rites. Those few that you theoretically have, you need to take to court to enforce yourself, and recently(ish) the tories made that massively harder than it used to be and pretended that it was an 'Austerity Measure'.
Because streamlining and therefore increasing the number of wrongful dismissals is going make the British economy all better, presumably.

When I was a Manager in the manufacturing sector I found about 50% of the workforce were a holes, you sound like one of the 50%

[klmhcp]

This hasn't gone as the OP intended!!

[Gary11]

PoleDriver said:

From your description it sounds like you have had at least one verbal and one written warning previously!
Is this the case?
Were they for the same misdemeanour?

No previous warnings. Never been late for work

Only thing I did have about 1 month ago is a work related accident. Which was due to a contractor leaving parts in an area where it is clearly marked "keep clear" causing me to have an accident which I have put in a claim for.

Managers do not like accidents on their shifts... Furthermore they do not like you claiming for injuries

joshleb said:

Big question as to why this is final warning too.....

I would have quite happily accepted either of these stages

Verbal or Stage 1 warning (either of which i have never had)

Johnnytheboy said:

More to this than meets the eye.

If you are a good worker in other respects doing something slightly naughty that everyone else does, why they target you?

IMO They are using it as a stick to beat you with for something else you probably know about.

You'd also have to be an utter, utter helmet to make a complaint about being told off making you get home late.

I only got home late on the day of the disciplinary meeting because the manager turned up 20minutes late.

bhrstewie said:

I guess the issue with appealing is if their claims are actually correct, on what ground is the appeal?

1. Manager turned up late to meeting taking me over my clock time for 10 minutes for which I do not get paid for.

2. I am not the only person doing this.

3. Why is it gone straight to a Final written warning .

Please note I am not disputing I was in the wrong.. I just feel the punishment is harsh

[Gary11]

Had I turned up 20 minutes late to the meeting the meeting would have continued without me and the outcome would have probably been worse.

Manager turns up late for meeting which he arranged a time for in writing goes over my working time and "it's ok" ?

I believe I should have walked out of the meeting after 10 minutes of him not turning up... But then at the time I did not know I was going to get a final written warning.

[Doofus]

Is the OP's definition of 2 minutes actually 2 minutes, or is that 'approximately'? One person's idea of 2 minutes can differ significantly from reality. Try it yourself..

[Black can man]

How many times have you taken the 2 minutes ?


How bad was the injury ? i'm guessing it's not that serious if you are back at work .


The injury thing is probably the pisser in all this.

Edited by Black can man on Sunday 20th November 11:29

[Johnnytheboy]

Gary11 said:

No previous warnings. Never been late for work

Only thing I did have about 1 month ago is a work related accident. Which was due to a contractor leaving parts in an area where it is clearly marked "keep clear" causing me to have an accident which I have put in a claim for.

Managers do not like accidents on their shifts... Furthermore they do not like you claiming for injuries

Ah, I think this may be what's behind this, perhaps somewhat unfairly.

[bitchstewie]

Do you always clock out on time?

Some companies will view clocking out early as stealing time from the company but also seem to treat time given at the other end as a little gift from you to them.

[Gary11]

Black can man said:

How many times have you taken the 2 minutes ?


How bad was the injury ? i'm guessing it's not that serious if you are back at work .


The injury thing is probably the pisser in all this.

Edited by Black can man on Sunday 20th November 11:29

In last 3 months I have taken 2 minutes about 18 times. Like I said before it's so common it's unlikely someone who does not work at our place would understand what I mean.

The accident
I twisted my ankle due to the contractor's mistake.
I could have taken the piss and longer off work but I did not and was back at work after 1 week

Edited by Gary11 on Sunday 20th November 11:49

Edited by Gary11 on Sunday 20th November 11:50

[Slagathore]

A claim for a twisted ankle?

No wonder they want you gone.

[Gary11]

Slagathore said:

A claim for a twisted ankle?

No wonder they want you gone.

Yes and I still get pains from it. But continue working.

Do you expect me. To lie and say I was not injured and I do not want to claim?
Their is an insurance policy in place that pays for accident related injuries.

Edited by Gary11 on Sunday 20th November 12:06

[Joey Ramone]

Slagathore said:

A claim for a twisted ankle?

No wonder they want you gone.

Depending upon the ligament damage, a sprained ankle can be far more debilitating, long term, than a clean break. Yet I presume you would have been OK with him putting in a claim for a broken ankle as a result of someone else's negligence?

[Black can man]

Slagathore said:

A claim for a twisted ankle?

No wonder they want you gone.

They obviously think you're taking the piss with this claim.

If everybody is nicking two minutes & they are only disciplining you then it's pretty much as plain as the nose on you're face.


You should ask them that if you drop you're claim would they be prepared to retract the written warning .

[Funk]

Christ, I can't imagine working in an environment like that..

[hairyben]

Gary11 said:

Had I turned up 20 minutes late to the meeting the meeting would have continued without me and the outcome would have probably been worse.

Manager turns up late for meeting which he arranged a time for in writing goes over my working time and "it's ok" ?

I believe I should have walked out of the meeting after 10 minutes of him not turning up... But then at the time I did not know I was going to get a final written warning.

Youve mentioned the overun meeting several times now; without wanting to offend, get over it. If your biggest worry is the ten miserable minutes when your future with that employer is the topic then I'm not surprised he wants to drum you out.

Yes employers can be silly about seemingly petty things, but thats the nature of the beast, a lot of bosses have a "I could be nice but I need everyone to know who the big dick round here is" way of running things and you wont change it. Or it could be someone high up has seen habitual clocking off early and asked for something to be done about it and you were the lucky candidate chosen as the example.

Union rep sounds like a flannel though, if you're being honest with us this isnt final warning stuff.

[Monkeylegend]

I suspect if they docked you 2 mins pay everytime you have left early you would be complaining.

[Slagathore]

Joey Ramone said:

Depending upon the ligament damage, a sprained ankle can be far more debilitating, long term, than a clean break. Yet I presume you would have been OK with him putting in a claim for a broken ankle as a result of someone else's negligence?

I must have been lucky with never suffering any long term damage. I have just Googled what you've said, so not dismissing it, just seems a bit less likely than full recovery.

It seems pretty obvious they have it out for him, and that most probably stems from him making claim. Rightly or wrongly, they are looking for the easiest way to get him out, so they obviously feel he is taking the piss.

Or maybe they don't want their insurance going after the contractor if it was his fault? I don't know if the insurance works like that, but they could potentially ruin their relationship with a valuable contractor because of what could be a petty/speculative injury claim.

[Gary11]

hairyben said:

Union rep sounds like a flannel though, if you're being honest with us this isnt final warning stuff.

This again I feel I'm being treated harsh.

As I have accepted my mistake and will make sure it never happens again

Do I still deserve a final written warning... I feel its wrong