Final written warning
Discussion
Agree with others you've been treated harshly if things are as you say, in my workplace this sort of thing would have been dealt with informally at least twice before becoming formal and then would only have been a verbal warning unless there were other issues going on. I doubt an appeal will help you, it'll be heard by another manager and it sounds like the company has made up its mind about you. I'd be pursuing things with your union to see what they can do, or start looking for another job, as if management have decided they don't like you it probably won't take long to find another reason to push things to dimissal.
MarshPhantom said:
Doesn't a written warning stay valid for a set amount of time?
Ours stay on file for 18 months, do have implications for that period as you won't get pay step increases for that period.Gary11 said:
Hi I was leaving I was being paid for and they have proof of me leaving my station early..
To which I replied that I am not the only employee leaving early which went ignored,
Reminds me of the Inbetweeners. The scene with Will in the pub. "...she pads her bra, his mum buys his trousers...16,17..."To which I replied that I am not the only employee leaving early which went ignored,
Gary11 said:
This again I feel I'm being treated harsh.
As I have accepted my mistake and will make sure it never happens again
Do I still deserve a final written warning... I feel its wrong
If you dont mind me asking how old are you?As I have accepted my mistake and will make sure it never happens again
Do I still deserve a final written warning... I feel its wrong
I've rung boss to tell him that, as he hadnt furnished us with the materials Id asked for (despite it not being my job or pay grade to "run" the site,) work would soon grind to a halt. He fired me for that.
Ive been disaplined for asking if I could claim for a payphone card (used for company biz)
Ive been forced under threat of blacklisting* to sign a form to say Id been given safety equipment and refused to use it before an accident. The truth being I asked several times for the equipment and was fobbed off. (*Google building trade blacklists for more, the great and good would be all over this vile practice if it wasnt something predominantly affecting "only" white males)
I guess what I'm saying is a lot of bosses are utter
s with nothing but contempt for the plebs they employ and you just have to learn to not stick your head over the parapet and play the system. The idea of progressive workplaces is an illusion for the most part.hairyben said:
I guess what I'm saying is a lot of bosses are utter s with nothing but contempt for the plebs they employ and you just have to learn to not stick your head over the parapet and play the system. The idea of progressive workplaces is an illusion for the most part.
All I can think is that you must have been incredibly unlucky to have had so many terrible bosses and to have ended up on the rough end of disciplinary action so many times.s with nothing but contempt for the plebs they employ and you just have to learn to not stick your head over the parapet and play the system. The idea of progressive workplaces is an illusion for the most part.Incredibly unlucky...
PorkInsider said:
All I can think is that you must have been incredibly unlucky to have had so many terrible bosses and to have ended up on the rough end of disciplinary action so many times.
Incredibly unlucky...
TBF only the phonecard one was a proper job, case of face dont fit big co politics and I was too young/naive to suss things out. Had several displinaries there before I joined the union and the bullying stopped.Incredibly unlucky...
Others were agency work, typical of the industry. The guy who fired me and knocked me for several hundreds in owed wages had the nerve to get the hays montrose rep to ring me after a month - they had two d
head labourers who messed up the electrics I'd started - and request I leave a paid job to go sort it for them for free.The accident/blacklist people fired a bloke while he was in the back of an ambulance on the way to hospital with a broken arm - the accident then doesnt count towards their site record as only accidents that have 3 days absense were the serious ones and firing him meant he wasnt absent.
All normal stuff beneath the air of corperate BS you see.
Gary11 said:
Do you expect me. To lie and say I was not injured and I do not want to claim?
Their is an insurance policy in place that pays for accident related injuries.
There's probably an excess for the Insurance Policy that the employer will have to pay for, plus it's possible that it might affect his future premiums. It doesn't justify the employer being harsh towards you and it's a fantastic example of why Unions are needed.Their is an insurance policy in place that pays for accident related injuries.
Countdown said:
There's probably an excess for the Insurance Policy that the employer will have to pay for, plus it's possible that it might affect his future premiums. It doesn't justify the employer being harsh towards you and it's a fantastic example of why Unions are needed.
Bear in mind nothing comes out of my managers pocket as the company is huge and has separate managers who deal with insurance side of things. Managers look good when they have a clean month of no accidents.
I will be speaking with a senior union rep tomorrow to see what can be done. And asking for a copy of the disciplinary procedure for gross miss conduct.
I have been told when it is a final written warning a case manager needs to be present in the meeting?
If that's the procedure then it has not been implemented
Thanks for all your advice so far.
gd49 said:
Agree with others you've been treated harshly if things are as you say, in my workplace this sort of thing would have been dealt with informally at least twice before becoming formal and then would only have been a verbal warning unless there were other issues going on. I doubt an appeal will help you, it'll be heard by another manager and it sounds like the company has made up its mind about you. I'd be pursuing things with your union to see what they can do, or start looking for another job, as if management have decided they don't like you it probably won't take long to find another reason to push things to dimissal.
Ask me how I know.MarshPhantom said:
Doesn't a written warning stay valid for a set amount of time?
Ours stay on file for 18 months, do have implications for that period as you won't get pay step increases for that period.6 months then they're in the bin at our place.
Gary11 said:
Bear in mind nothing comes out of my managers pocket as the company is huge and has separate managers who deal with insurance side of things.
Managers look good when they have a clean month of no accidents.
I will be speaking with a senior union rep tomorrow to see what can be done. And asking for a copy of the disciplinary procedure for gross miss conduct.
I have been told when it is a final written warning a case manager needs to be present in the meeting?
If that's the procedure then it has not been implemented
Thanks for all your advice so far.
How exactly did the accident happen?Managers look good when they have a clean month of no accidents.
I will be speaking with a senior union rep tomorrow to see what can be done. And asking for a copy of the disciplinary procedure for gross miss conduct.
I have been told when it is a final written warning a case manager needs to be present in the meeting?
If that's the procedure then it has not been implemented
Thanks for all your advice so far.
SpeckledJim said:
How exactly did the accident happen?
"I was minding my own business walking in a southwesterly direction whereup I tripped over another contractors tool box. I picked myself up and carried on with my work. Later that day over lunch I was chatting to a work colleague and explained what happened. "you should claim compo man - stick it to da management like". So i decided to make a claim against my employer for a twisted ankle'o/p wait until you get an attack of Gout - then you will know what real pain is.
OP - your company should have written grievance procedures. There are usually a number of stages excepting Gross Misconduct which can mean instant dismissal. Make sure they hav followed it to the letter and if not get your Union to intervene.. Using arguments like plenty of others do it I'll not help you at all so don't fixate on it ( it's like being in court arguing I wasn't doing 60 in a 40 when you were doing 53 - you were still guilty).
All this said it sounds as if they are trying to make an example of you to teach others not to submit claims. I fear for your future there and if I were you I'd be actively seeking alternative employment as I think you aren't being paranoid - they are out to get you.
Start looking fella as they'll be certainly watching you for any excuse.
All this said it sounds as if they are trying to make an example of you to teach others not to submit claims. I fear for your future there and if I were you I'd be actively seeking alternative employment as I think you aren't being paranoid - they are out to get you.
Start looking fella as they'll be certainly watching you for any excuse.
Monkeylegend said:
shed full o rust said:
You have my sincere sympathy Gary.
In my experience about 50% of management are complete a holes, and I suspect they were just making an example of you.
As we've effectively had variations on tory government since the 3rd of May 1979, you effectively have no employee rites. Those few that you theoretically have, you need to take to court to enforce yourself, and recently(ish) the tories made that massively harder than it used to be and pretended that it was an 'Austerity Measure'.
Because streamlining and therefore increasing the number of wrongful dismissals is going make the British economy all better, presumably.
When I was a Manager in the manufacturing sector I found about 50% of the workforce were a holes, you sound like one of the 50% In my experience about 50% of management are complete a holes, and I suspect they were just making an example of you.
As we've effectively had variations on tory government since the 3rd of May 1979, you effectively have no employee rites. Those few that you theoretically have, you need to take to court to enforce yourself, and recently(ish) the tories made that massively harder than it used to be and pretended that it was an 'Austerity Measure'.
Because streamlining and therefore increasing the number of wrongful dismissals is going make the British economy all better, presumably.
Pothole said:
Monkeylegend said:
shed full o rust said:
You have my sincere sympathy Gary.
In my experience about 50% of management are complete a holes, and I suspect they were just making an example of you.
As we've effectively had variations on tory government since the 3rd of May 1979, you effectively have no employee rites. Those few that you theoretically have, you need to take to court to enforce yourself, and recently(ish) the tories made that massively harder than it used to be and pretended that it was an 'Austerity Measure'.
Because streamlining and therefore increasing the number of wrongful dismissals is going make the British economy all better, presumably.
When I was a Manager in the manufacturing sector I found about 50% of the workforce were a holes, you sound like one of the 50% In my experience about 50% of management are complete a holes, and I suspect they were just making an example of you.
As we've effectively had variations on tory government since the 3rd of May 1979, you effectively have no employee rites. Those few that you theoretically have, you need to take to court to enforce yourself, and recently(ish) the tories made that massively harder than it used to be and pretended that it was an 'Austerity Measure'.
Because streamlining and therefore increasing the number of wrongful dismissals is going make the British economy all better, presumably.
They are after an excuse to get rid of you pal. Read between the lines. I bet if you thought about it you've done something to royally piss them off.
Off topic, I do hate this sort of petty st. I work in a professional environment (as do many others), and doesn't require clocking on/off. But does require time sheets for billing purposes. I remember my student days in Homebase and had to deal with this sort of horse-shi+, loss of 15 mins pay for being 1 minute late which at £6.20 an hour was a big deal. Completely pathetic. But unfortunately when you work in that sort of environment you are dealing with piss takers and as such you are all treated like morons. When I first got a real job after leaving uni it was a breath of fresh air to be treated as an adult and trusted.
Get your CV prepped and dont even so much as breathe without making sure youre allowed.
Off topic, I do hate this sort of petty s
t. I work in a professional environment (as do many others), and doesn't require clocking on/off. But does require time sheets for billing purposes. I remember my student days in Homebase and had to deal with this sort of horse-shi+, loss of 15 mins pay for being 1 minute late which at £6.20 an hour was a big deal. Completely pathetic. But unfortunately when you work in that sort of environment you are dealing with piss takers and as such you are all treated like morons. When I first got a real job after leaving uni it was a breath of fresh air to be treated as an adult and trusted.Get your CV prepped and dont even so much as breathe without making sure youre allowed.
Really makes me glad to work in an environment where nobody really clock watches. I repay this trust by doing at least 2 hours unpaid overtime a week if not more sometimes but I'm also safe in the knowledge that if I get stuck in traffic one morning or spend a bit longer at lunch as I've gone down the shops then nobody will bat an eyelid.
Ironic really the more highly paid and professional situation you are put in the less you are scrutinised.
I sympathise as I've been there and done it, had a Saturday / evening job at the supermarket when I was younger, clocked in and out (including lunch) with the old paper cards. Clocking out a minute early would lose you half an hours pay, hanging around the clocks waiting for them to tick over or getting changed before clocking out would get you a bking. You just tow the line as best as you can.
Ironic really the more highly paid and professional situation you are put in the less you are scrutinised.
I sympathise as I've been there and done it, had a Saturday / evening job at the supermarket when I was younger, clocked in and out (including lunch) with the old paper cards. Clocking out a minute early would lose you half an hours pay, hanging around the clocks waiting for them to tick over or getting changed before clocking out would get you a b
king. You just tow the line as best as you can.Gassing Station | Jobs & Employment Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff