First Aid at Work

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Rick101

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6,969 posts

150 months

Sunday 1st January 2017
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Hi,

Just penning at email to my gaffers. I'm interesting in doing a First Aid course but know they will be less keen on sending me as it will cost money rolleyes

Just wondering if anyone can give me any tips on content?

I am an employee working in an office
We work shifts so not all staff are here at the same time
I work for a infrastructure company which proudly proclaims safety is it's priority
The company actually incentives people to do first Aid by offering an additional Annual Leave day but the local managers have to cover the cost for this so are less than keen.
It is a shared office with 3 companies working + the building maintenance/security guys who I'd imagine are First aiders.

There is a First Aid list up, however The appointed person works 9-5. The majority of listed people only have Emergency First Aid and most of them are working for the other companies. There is certainly nobody here today that is on the list from my company.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks

rambo19

2,740 posts

137 months

Sunday 1st January 2017
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Good luck.
I tried the same thing with my company-they flatly refused!

henrycrun

2,449 posts

240 months

Sunday 1st January 2017
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The St Johns Ambulance website should list course content

Ms R.Saucy

284 posts

90 months

Sunday 1st January 2017
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what's the risk assessment

as the one day course may now be deemed sufficient for an office based environment ... it all went to companies doing their own risk assessemtns a few years ago rather than blanket ratios ... it's also made it easier forr the genuinely high risk places to get the extra training they need ( remote workers getting defibs etc, people working with chainsaws and big grinders etc getting torurniquets and hameostatics packs )

Edited by Ms R.Saucy on Monday 2nd January 21:55

Rick101

Original Poster:

6,969 posts

150 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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I would guess it is low risk but bear in mind this a business obsessed with safety. The amount of money spent on ensuring safety is frankly eye watering.

Anyway, I've sent the email now, just to my line managers and union reps. Will see where we go from there.

Next we go up the chain on management, speak to the training organisers direct and report the safety risk on the internal system.

Monkeylegend

26,386 posts

231 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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Rick101 said:
I would guess it is low risk but bear in mind this a business obsessed with safety. The amount of money spent on ensuring safety is frankly eye watering.

Anyway, I've sent the email now, just to my line managers and union reps. Will see where we go from there.

Next we go up the chain on management, speak to the training organisers direct and report the safety risk on the internal system.
And then you start the job hunt.

55palfers

5,910 posts

164 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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A face to face word with my line manager first may have been a better approach.

In my experience, getting folk to become first aiders was always difficult.

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

172 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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First aid at work is a 5day course. It's not much fun.

Monkeylegend

26,386 posts

231 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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Ahbefive said:
First aid at work is a 5day course. It's not much fun.
You do get to kiss a dummy though and have a fumble.

alex290568

271 posts

214 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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It's a 3 day course now not 5. You will be taught first response techniques as well as dealing with shock, heart attacks, bleeds, faints, stopping breathing etc etc.
No it's not much fun but it is useful to have.
I'm doing my 2 day refresher next week.

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

172 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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When did it become a 3day course? It was 5 days 2 years ago.

alex290568

271 posts

214 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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It was about two years ago. It's now 3 days with a recommended 1 day refresher every year and a 2 day RE qualification every 3 years

speedchick

5,173 posts

222 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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alex290568 said:
It's a 3 day course now not 5. You will be taught first response techniques as well as dealing with shock, heart attacks, bleeds, faints, stopping breathing etc etc.
No it's not much fun but it is useful to have.
I'm doing my 2 day refresher next week.
When I did my Red Cross Emergency First Aid at Work course it was only one day and we learnt all the above.

brrapp

3,701 posts

162 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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I've been a first-aider for over 25 years, long before I started working for my latest employer. When I started with my latest employer, I mentioned that I was a first-aider and they were delighted, gave me a few quid extra each year and paid for my 3 yearly updates, then we got a new HR manager, he decided that we only needed one first-aider per workplace and that he could save a bit of his budget by removing some of us as designated first-aiders. I wasn't too bothered and continued to keep my qualification up to date in my own time and at my own expense. Roll on a couple of years and some of the other first-aiders moved on, a risk assessment showed that we were short so he approached some of us old 'unwanted' first-aiders and asked us to become designated first-aiders again. He was told where to go. When I thought about it, it's a lot of responsibility for very little thanks. I'm happy to be a first-aider off my own back but best to keep quiet about it in the workplace.

Edited by brrapp on Monday 2nd January 19:59

CubanPete

3,630 posts

188 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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Monkeylegend said:
And then you start the job hunt.
A request for training. I wouldn't have thought so!



I'd have just had a word with my boss or HR.

You could sign up with St Johns, in exchange for a couple of sessions a month, there is a good chance you will get to see some interesting events for free.

http://www.sja.org.uk/sja/volunteer/find-your-volu...

Any clubs you are involved in? I have done various through rowing / diving / ballooning / sailing, I didn't pay for any of them.

Many places have a demand for first aiders, so showing a bit of enthusiasm will stand you in good stead, and if nothing happens straight away, will at least add to to the waiting list.

Ms R.Saucy

284 posts

90 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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Ahbefive said:
First aid at work is a 5day course. It's not much fun.
It's never been a 5 day course it;s used to be 3 and a half days with assessment o nthe 4th afternoon, it;s now 2and a half days with assessments on the third afternoon


how much fun it is does depend on the trainers ,


declared bias - have held FAW or been professionally exempt since 1993 , have assessed FAW and other first aid course for a large charity for a number of years , ex is an FAW trainer ...

Ms R.Saucy

284 posts

90 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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CubanPete said:
Monkeylegend said:
And then you start the job hunt.
A request for training. I wouldn't have thought so!



I'd have just had a word with my boss or HR.

You could sign up with St Johns, in exchange for a couple of sessions a month, there is a good chance you will get to see some interesting events for free.

http://www.sja.org.uk/sja/volunteer/find-your-volu...

Any clubs you are involved in? I have done various through rowing / diving / ballooning / sailing, I didn't pay for any of them.

Many places have a demand for first aiders, so showing a bit of enthusiasm will stand you in good stead, and if nothing happens straight away, will at least add to to the waiting list.
Event first aiders with SJA don;t actually hold an FAW as the training is rather more comprehensive than FAW now nad has been for the past 15 or so years ...

it is also increasingly a serious tiem commitment and not the half hearted jolly vollies ofthe past ...

Rick101

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6,969 posts

150 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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Did do Emergency First Aid around 3 years ago off my own back. Do feel it's important and considering I'm working for a company that supposedly encourages it I don't think i'm of out of line asking for the training.

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

172 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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Ms R.Saucy said:
Ahbefive said:
First aid at work is a 5day course. It's not much fun.
It's never been a 5 day course it;s used to be 3 and a half days with assessment o nthe 4th afternoon, it;s now 2and a half days with assessments on the third afternoon
It has been a 5 day course with SJA as I have done the 5 day course twice over the years, hence being surprised that is now a 3 dayer.

Ms R.Saucy

284 posts

90 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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Ahbefive said:
Ms R.Saucy said:
Ahbefive said:
First aid at work is a 5day course. It's not much fun.
It's never been a 5 day course it;s used to be 3 and a half days with assessment o nthe 4th afternoon, it;s now 2and a half days with assessments on the third afternoon
It has been a 5 day course with SJA as I have done the 5 day course twice over the years, hence being surprised that is now a 3 dayer.
really as an SJA assessor i think i might just have a smidge of poduct knowledge. FAW was a 4 day course, reduced to 3 in the last lot of changes ... the only '5 day ' FAW s i am aware of are those which integrate a an FAW into a First Responder qualification ( in the mould of the US and irish first responder qualifications , not the 2 day anneka rice FPOS courses .... Stop the clock ! stop the clock ! )