First Aid at Work
Discussion
rambo19 said:
I'm a bus driver.
By law, we have to do CPC training, and none of it has ever included 1st aid training, which, when you consider how many people get on my bus, is silly.
One of the JAUPT DCPC approved modules is an emergency aid course , however i suspect that not many bus companies will have a suitable trainer in house where the hours etc stuff can be done my in house trainers / driver managers ... By law, we have to do CPC training, and none of it has ever included 1st aid training, which, when you consider how many people get on my bus, is silly.
https://www.sja.org.uk/sja/training-courses/first-...
Ms R.Saucy said:
One of the JAUPT DCPC approved modules is an emergency aid course , however i suspect that not many bus companies will have a suitable trainer in house where the hours etc stuff can be done my in house trainers / driver managers ...
https://www.sja.org.uk/sja/training-courses/first-...
That is exactly the kind of thing bus drivers should be doing, my company say they won't do it because of fears of being sued if a driver does it wrong!https://www.sja.org.uk/sja/training-courses/first-...
Rick101 said:
I'm sure Saucy will confirm but as far as I know the SJA certification also includes some sort of indemnity cover for that scenario.
Weak excuse from the employers.
yes and no, becasue at work it would be the employer who is vicariously liable and i nthe case of the bus drivers etc discussed upthread it appears the bus comopany have been poorly advised. Weak excuse from the employers.
unless you go round deliberately making it worse no claim against a workplace or bystandaer first aider will succeed.
a few people get the shakes bcause of tangentially related cases such as an out of court settlement or two involving SJA and seperately BRC where uniformed first aiders weren't up to scratch when faced with ( probably their first real ) life threatening situations and a case where a Occ health / treatment room Nurse on one of the Corus sites cocked up badly with steristrips or sutures and a facial wound - when she should have really sent the casualty to be bye seen by an ENP or Dcotor in A+E/ Minor Injuries and the wound closure be done by someone who is more up to date and more practiced in wound closure ...
Rick,
Take a case to management. Do you have any high risk staff (disabilities, previous serious illness or history of heart conditions / stroke etc.) and what hours do they work. This could be a way to show the need for cover.
I just checked with SJA and my renewal is due next month.
Take a case to management. Do you have any high risk staff (disabilities, previous serious illness or history of heart conditions / stroke etc.) and what hours do they work. This could be a way to show the need for cover.
I just checked with SJA and my renewal is due next month.
The cost approval from your manager?
I did a course about six years ago when I was still working.Two day course about 120 pounds if I remember.The courses can't have gone up that much have they.
If they are so conscious about health and safety what is the problem.A few quid and somebody who is keen to take the course.Strange firm you are working for.
I did a course about six years ago when I was still working.Two day course about 120 pounds if I remember.The courses can't have gone up that much have they.
If they are so conscious about health and safety what is the problem.A few quid and somebody who is keen to take the course.Strange firm you are working for.
Exactly. I'm fairly sure it's done by an in house trainer too.
As I put in my email, excellent value when considering the health and well-being of your team.
You could say I'm in the Public sector, the place where people think money is splashed around, maybe on the big projects but the reality is the purse string are very tight when it comes to things for the staff.
As I put in my email, excellent value when considering the health and well-being of your team.
You could say I'm in the Public sector, the place where people think money is splashed around, maybe on the big projects but the reality is the purse string are very tight when it comes to things for the staff.
Well, last few weeks has seen not much progress. First they decided they wanted to update the first aid listings as they were over a year old. The guy that does that isnt the most pro active so nothing has happened on that front.
I emailed again last night and also suggested, in a positive way, if raising on the internal reporting system there may be an issue would help.
Anyway, just got a email with a thumbs up for me to do the full course.
Very pleased and glad I stuck with it.
Thanks for the advice.
I emailed again last night and also suggested, in a positive way, if raising on the internal reporting system there may be an issue would help.
Anyway, just got a email with a thumbs up for me to do the full course.
Very pleased and glad I stuck with it.
Thanks for the advice.
This may already have been covered but the requirement or need should be defined by the site risk assessment.
If the responsible people see they are covered then there is no need to send you on a course.
I over see this activity for a London office and I have recently asked for more volunteers as whilst we are 'covered' this isn't necesarily the case if people are on business travel etc.
Your approach to wanting to do the course comes across as though it will benefit yourself more. If it's appropriate flip the situation around, identify any current issues and show how they can be closed.
If the responsible people see they are covered then there is no need to send you on a course.
I over see this activity for a London office and I have recently asked for more volunteers as whilst we are 'covered' this isn't necesarily the case if people are on business travel etc.
Your approach to wanting to do the course comes across as though it will benefit yourself more. If it's appropriate flip the situation around, identify any current issues and show how they can be closed.
Rick101 said:
Completed my FAAW course today. Very useful and very pleased to have done it.
We also covered some basic Defib usage.
Hopefully it won't be needed.
A colleague of mine was probably on the same course if you trained in the ROC at York. Glad to hear you got it all sorted, arranging training can be a nightmare lately.We also covered some basic Defib usage.
Hopefully it won't be needed.
rambo19 said:
That is exactly the kind of thing bus drivers should be doing, my company say they won't do it because of fears of being sued if a driver does it wrong!
This was sort of covered already, but there is now a SARAH law (not to be confused with Sarah's Law) that stands for Social Action, Responsibility and Heroism Act that protects First Aiders from being penalised as long as the person “was acting for the benefit of society”, whether they “demonstrated a predominantly responsible approach towards protecting the safety ... of others” and whether they “were acting heroically by intervening in an emergency to assist an individual in danger”.
https://www.healthandsafetyatwork.com/regulation/h...
Rick101 said:
Completed my FAAW course today. Very useful and very pleased to have done it.
We also covered some basic Defib usage.
Hopefully it won't be needed.
Played rugby a couple of weeks ago and a guy collapsed with a heart attack. Defib and trained first aid staff saved his life and he is recovering wellWe also covered some basic Defib usage.
Hopefully it won't be needed.
Just looking into doing a course myself!
Ahbefive said:
Ms R.Saucy said:
Ahbefive said:
First aid at work is a 5day course. It's not much fun.
It's never been a 5 day course it;s used to be 3 and a half days with assessment o nthe 4th afternoon, it;s now 2and a half days with assessments on the third afternoonMy original training course was 4 days (as mentioned above, assessment on the afternoon of the 4th day).
I had 1 re-qualification course that was 3 days, and the last 2 or 3 have been 2 day courses.
It's excellent and I would recommend anyone do it given the chance. I've used it several times out of work (including having to give CPR) and I wouldn't want to be without the knowledge or, crucially, the confidence to be able to help someone.
Agreed.
I used to be 4 days back in the 80's when I started, the assessment took a half day of which you were doing tasks for around 10 minutes.
The current FAAW course is 3 days with continual assessment - practical and paper based. The refresher is 2 days required every 3 years, if the certificate date expires then you have to start again with a full course. There are advantages in doing the full full course as this covers much more depth than the refresher and the cost increase is around £50 for the extra day.
I used to be 4 days back in the 80's when I started, the assessment took a half day of which you were doing tasks for around 10 minutes.
The current FAAW course is 3 days with continual assessment - practical and paper based. The refresher is 2 days required every 3 years, if the certificate date expires then you have to start again with a full course. There are advantages in doing the full full course as this covers much more depth than the refresher and the cost increase is around £50 for the extra day.
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