First Aid at Work

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rambo19

2,743 posts

138 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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I'm a bus driver.
By law, we have to do CPC training, and none of it has ever included 1st aid training, which, when you consider how many people get on my bus, is silly.

Ms R.Saucy

284 posts

91 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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rambo19 said:
I'm a bus driver.
By law, we have to do CPC training, and none of it has ever included 1st aid training, which, when you consider how many people get on my bus, is silly.
One of the JAUPT DCPC approved modules is an emergency aid course , however i suspect that not many bus companies will have a suitable trainer in house where the hours etc stuff can be done my in house trainers / driver managers ...

https://www.sja.org.uk/sja/training-courses/first-...

rambo19

2,743 posts

138 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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Ms R.Saucy said:
One of the JAUPT DCPC approved modules is an emergency aid course , however i suspect that not many bus companies will have a suitable trainer in house where the hours etc stuff can be done my in house trainers / driver managers ...

https://www.sja.org.uk/sja/training-courses/first-...
That is exactly the kind of thing bus drivers should be doing, my company say they won't do it because of fears of being sued if a driver does it wrong!

Rick101

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6,970 posts

151 months

Wednesday 4th January 2017
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I'm sure Saucy will confirm but as far as I know the SJA certification also includes some sort of indemnity cover for that scenario.

Weak excuse from the employers.

SnapShot

22 posts

155 months

Wednesday 4th January 2017
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Good luck with getting the training. It took me 10 years to get on the course and I work trackside every day of the week. rolleyes

The risk assessment for my job only states an emergency first aid trained person be on site, which is madness considering the environment we work in.

Ms R.Saucy

284 posts

91 months

Wednesday 4th January 2017
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Rick101 said:
I'm sure Saucy will confirm but as far as I know the SJA certification also includes some sort of indemnity cover for that scenario.

Weak excuse from the employers.
yes and no, becasue at work it would be the employer who is vicariously liable and i nthe case of the bus drivers etc discussed upthread it appears the bus comopany have been poorly advised.

unless you go round deliberately making it worse no claim against a workplace or bystandaer first aider will succeed.

a few people get the shakes bcause of tangentially related cases such as an out of court settlement or two involving SJA and seperately BRC where uniformed first aiders weren't up to scratch when faced with ( probably their first real ) life threatening situations and a case where a Occ health / treatment room Nurse on one of the Corus sites cocked up badly with steristrips or sutures and a facial wound - when she should have really sent the casualty to be bye seen by an ENP or Dcotor in A+E/ Minor Injuries and the wound closure be done by someone who is more up to date and more practiced in wound closure ...

Starfighter

4,930 posts

179 months

Thursday 5th January 2017
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Rick,

Take a case to management. Do you have any high risk staff (disabilities, previous serious illness or history of heart conditions / stroke etc.) and what hours do they work. This could be a way to show the need for cover.

I just checked with SJA and my renewal is due next month.

Rick101

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6,970 posts

151 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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Well I have my line managers support. First hurdle completed. Next it's getting cost approval from his manager.
Hopefully have a positive answer next week.

pim

2,344 posts

125 months

Monday 9th January 2017
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The cost approval from your manager?

I did a course about six years ago when I was still working.Two day course about 120 pounds if I remember.The courses can't have gone up that much have they.

If they are so conscious about health and safety what is the problem.A few quid and somebody who is keen to take the course.Strange firm you are working for.

Rick101

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6,970 posts

151 months

Monday 9th January 2017
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Exactly. I'm fairly sure it's done by an in house trainer too.

As I put in my email, excellent value when considering the health and well-being of your team.

You could say I'm in the Public sector, the place where people think money is splashed around, maybe on the big projects but the reality is the purse string are very tight when it comes to things for the staff.

Rick101

Original Poster:

6,970 posts

151 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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Well, last few weeks has seen not much progress. First they decided they wanted to update the first aid listings as they were over a year old. The guy that does that isnt the most pro active so nothing has happened on that front.

I emailed again last night and also suggested, in a positive way, if raising on the internal reporting system there may be an issue would help.

Anyway, just got a email with a thumbs up for me to do the full course.

Very pleased and glad I stuck with it.

Thanks for the advice.

edc

9,237 posts

252 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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This may already have been covered but the requirement or need should be defined by the site risk assessment.

If the responsible people see they are covered then there is no need to send you on a course.

I over see this activity for a London office and I have recently asked for more volunteers as whilst we are 'covered' this isn't necesarily the case if people are on business travel etc.

Your approach to wanting to do the course comes across as though it will benefit yourself more. If it's appropriate flip the situation around, identify any current issues and show how they can be closed.

Rick101

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6,970 posts

151 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Completed my FAAW course today. Very useful and very pleased to have done it.
We also covered some basic Defib usage.

Hopefully it won't be needed.

SnapShot

22 posts

155 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Rick101 said:
Completed my FAAW course today. Very useful and very pleased to have done it.
We also covered some basic Defib usage.

Hopefully it won't be needed.
A colleague of mine was probably on the same course if you trained in the ROC at York. Glad to hear you got it all sorted, arranging training can be a nightmare lately.

FunkyNige

8,891 posts

276 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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rambo19 said:
That is exactly the kind of thing bus drivers should be doing, my company say they won't do it because of fears of being sued if a driver does it wrong!
This was sort of covered already, but there is now a SARAH law (not to be confused with Sarah's Law) that stands for Social Action, Responsibility and Heroism Act that protects First Aiders from being penalised as long as
the person “was acting for the benefit of society”, whether they “demonstrated a predominantly responsible approach towards protecting the safety ... of others” and whether they “were acting heroically by intervening in an emergency to assist an individual in danger”.
https://www.healthandsafetyatwork.com/regulation/h...

Pieman68

4,264 posts

235 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Rick101 said:
Completed my FAAW course today. Very useful and very pleased to have done it.
We also covered some basic Defib usage.

Hopefully it won't be needed.
Played rugby a couple of weeks ago and a guy collapsed with a heart attack. Defib and trained first aid staff saved his life and he is recovering well

Just looking into doing a course myself!

Rick101

Original Poster:

6,970 posts

151 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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SnapShot said:
A colleague of mine was probably on the same course if you trained in the ROC at York.
Yes, Who was it?

Rosscow

8,774 posts

164 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Ahbefive said:
Ms R.Saucy said:
Ahbefive said:
First aid at work is a 5day course. It's not much fun.
It's never been a 5 day course it;s used to be 3 and a half days with assessment o nthe 4th afternoon, it;s now 2and a half days with assessments on the third afternoon
It has been a 5 day course with SJA as I have done the 5 day course twice over the years, hence being surprised that is now a 3 dayer.
I've been a fully qualified first aider for over 13 years, It's never been a 5 day course for me.

My original training course was 4 days (as mentioned above, assessment on the afternoon of the 4th day).

I had 1 re-qualification course that was 3 days, and the last 2 or 3 have been 2 day courses.

It's excellent and I would recommend anyone do it given the chance. I've used it several times out of work (including having to give CPR) and I wouldn't want to be without the knowledge or, crucially, the confidence to be able to help someone.

Starfighter

4,930 posts

179 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Agreed.

I used to be 4 days back in the 80's when I started, the assessment took a half day of which you were doing tasks for around 10 minutes.

The current FAAW course is 3 days with continual assessment - practical and paper based. The refresher is 2 days required every 3 years, if the certificate date expires then you have to start again with a full course. There are advantages in doing the full full course as this covers much more depth than the refresher and the cost increase is around £50 for the extra day.

SnapShot

22 posts

155 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Rick101 said:
Yes, Who was it?
Fella called Steve Smith.