New job wants my passport details, plus my family's!

[prand]

Vaud said:

It doesn't. But a UK passport provides proof of right of domicile and right to work, which is the test?

Sorry, confusing with driving license.

[98elise]

xjay1337 said:

Old Tyke said:

rbgos said:

"Company policy" my arse - it is absolutely none of their business. They need to know that YOU are legally allowed to work in the country, but your family is irrelevant. I would refuse, on a point of principle, even though I've nothing to hide.

This, this and this ^^^. Tell them to FRO unless they can give you a genuine reason (ie. not the default bullst "company policy" reply) for why they require them. In fact I would want to know why they require a copy of my passport as well as that is none of their business either!

Defo.

I'd be giving them a flat out no unless.

Agreed...tell them to go fk themselves and their job....who needs them anyway....


Alternatively if you're happy to show them your passport, then showing them your familes passports is hardly a big issue. The reason doesn't really matter, I don't think they are out to clone your families identity.

[Trabi601]

What kind of role is this? Is it something where you could be tempted into corrupt activities?

My employers ran all kinds of checks on me and my family as they don't want employees who could be tempted into corrupt activities in return for a back-hander.

Running a background check on you, plus knowing you're in a stable family environment, helps to set minds at ease.

[WindyCommon]

It's a little test to determine whether or not you are prone to narcissism. Being easily offended is a classic tell - both here on PH and in real life....

[craigjm]

Old Tyke said:

A photocopy of one's drivers licence fixes that issue, or as you say, a visa or work-permit for non-Brits

Your driving licence doesn't solve anything.

[Old Tyke]

craigjm said:

Old Tyke said:

A photocopy of one's drivers licence fixes that issue, or as you say, a visa or work-permit for non-Brits

Your driving licence doesn't solve anything.

In the absence of a passport, visa or work permit, what documentation do you suggest?

[craigjm]

Old Tyke said:

In the absence of a passport, visa or work permit, what documentation do you suggest?

Birth certificate / certificate of naturalisation. You can get a GB driving licence without having the right to work in the UK

[bitchstewie]

98elise said:

Alternatively if you're happy to show them your passport, then showing them your familes passports is hardly a big issue. The reason doesn't really matter, I don't think they are out to clone your families identity.

That was my first thought.

Whilst I'd be curious why they want to see them it does sometimes seem as if most of PistonHeads will, if faced with an easy way and a hard way of doing things, choose the hard way for no obvious reason.

[ChasW]

The only other reason I can think of is checking for potential family issues that may be a distraction to the employee. An example I can think of is residency rights of the spouse. I have a friend who married an American citizen while working in the US. They came back to the UK to settle misunderstanding immigration rules and his OH had to leave the country and re-apply for her visa from the US. It was quite distressing for the family. Maybe with Brexit some companies are just being over-cautious.

[Vaud]

ChasW said:

The only other reason I can think of is checking for potential family issues that may be a distraction to the employee. An example I can think of is residency rights of the spouse. I have a friend who married an American citizen while working in the US. They came back to the UK to settle misunderstanding immigration rules and his OH had to leave the country and re-apply for her visa from the US. It was quite distressing for the family. Maybe with Brexit some companies are just being over-cautious.

Some companies are also super-sensitive - e.g. Pharma, may want to check that a spouse isn't member of Animal Liberation Front.

[Marcellus]

The OP doesn't say which company nor at what level they're going to work at in this organisation.

Might it be that somewhere in the company all employees have to go through some sort of vetting and as the OP is at a certain level they may have reason to interact with someone in that part of the business and therefore the company have to vet them too.

Mrs M had this with one company she worked for even though in the 2 years she was there she never had anything to do with that part of the business.

[bga]

I had this at a previous company when I got a promotion and qualified for private healthcare for all the family.

There was a requirement from the provider that my employer verified the ID of everyone who was being covered. When justified it is a perfectly reasonable request and one that a company should be prepared to answer or suffer the fury of a thousand indignant keyboard warriors.

[anonymous-user]

craigjm said:

Old Tyke said:

In the absence of a passport, visa or work permit, what documentation do you suggest?

Birth certificate / certificate of naturalisation. You can get a GB driving licence without having the right to work in the UK

You'd also need something like a P45 to go with that - so that it has their NI number and name, to tie to the birth cert. Plus you have to see the original, can't be a copy. Then take your own copy for company records/audits. Trust me they do check this stuff.

[craigjm]

wsurfa said:

craigjm said:

Old Tyke said:

In the absence of a passport, visa or work permit, what documentation do you suggest?

Birth certificate / certificate of naturalisation. You can get a GB driving licence without having the right to work in the UK

You'd also need something like a P45 to go with that - so that it has their NI number and name, to tie to the birth cert. Plus you have to see the original, can't be a copy. Then take your own copy for company records/audits. Trust me they do check this stuff.

I have never said they dont check
If you dont have a passport then there are two lists of acceptable documents and you need one from each. One is a list of documents like birth certificates and the other includes things like P45, P60 etc

[Wombat3]

bga said:

I had this at a previous company when I got a promotion and qualified for private healthcare for all the family.

There was a requirement from the provider that my employer verified the ID of everyone who was being covered. When justified it is a perfectly reasonable request and one that a company should be prepared to answer or suffer the fury of a thousand indignant keyboard warriors.

This and only this would be a reason for them to see that information ....and even then it should be a request that comes directly to you from the healthcare provider anyway.

Had something not disimilar with the US government though. As well as UK passports my kids have US passports on account of their mother's nationality. Whenever one of these needed renewing I was also "required" to attend the US embassy with my UK passport which they would then take off me for about 30 minutes & do who knows what with. Either that or send an affidavit of some sort. Used to take half a day, a complete and utter waste of my time about 6 times over in total. wkers.

[prand]

I had an answer to this today. I don't have to provide my family passport details after all. The HR person is an agency person supporting a big recruitment drive and had mistakenly asked for this by following the wrong procedure (which apparently applies to families relocating for the role).

So assuming the correct procedure is now being followed (all the contracts etc look ok to me), all is good really, thanks for the input, it didn't sound right at all which is why I posted it up here.

[Old Tyke]

prand said:

I had an answer to this today. I don't have to provide my family passport details after all.

Makes you wonder if we've become a nation of 'yes men' conformists when you read all the replies above stating that they'd just hand over all their family members' personal details so willingly and without question. Then at a later date they'll be writing posts in SPL forum asking how to get rid of the bailiffs at the door who want paying £100k for a bunch of debts they know nothing about.

[craigjm]

Old Tyke said:

prand said:

I had an answer to this today. I don't have to provide my family passport details after all.

Makes you wonder if we've become a nation of 'yes men' conformists when you read all the replies above stating that they'd just hand over all their family members' personal details so willingly and without question. Then at a later date they'll be writing posts in SPL forum asking how to get rid of the bailiffs at the door who want paying £100k for a bunch of debts they know nothing about.

How much did you pay for your tin hat and bacofoil suit?

[bitchstewie]

Old Tyke said:

Makes you wonder if we've become a nation of 'yes men' conformists when you read all the replies above stating that they'd just hand over all their family members' personal details so willingly and without question. Then at a later date they'll be writing posts in SPL forum asking how to get rid of the bailiffs at the door who want paying £100k for a bunch of debts they know nothing about.

It's not really going to happen though is it? I mean at work we have to show our driving license to show we're legally allowed to drive. I don't quiz the HR ladies what they're going to do with the photocopy because it's obvious that a) the answer is nothing terribly interesting and b) I'd just come across as an awkward sod.

[megaphone]

Old Tyke said:

Makes you wonder if we've become a nation of 'yes men' conformists when you read all the replies above stating that they'd just hand over all their family members' personal details so willingly and without question. Then at a later date they'll be writing posts in SPL forum asking how to get rid of the bailiffs at the door who want paying £100k for a bunch of debts they know nothing about.

+1. People are very naive. These are the same people who moan when their accounts been hacked or the credit rating is shot to bits. The same people who complain when phone contracts are taken out in their name.