Jacking in your job
Discussion
Woodrow Wilson said:
Mr Spoon said:
I think once a person gets passed the how much they get paid stage, job satisfaction becomes such a huge part of the job that decisions will be made irrespective of the level of pay. Being valued and feeling you are adding value in my opinion keeps employees in positions.
Exactly. Which is not the case if employees are just treated as fairly generic project time-booking resources, rather than utilised for what they are good at.Level of pay and comparisons with friends and peers was one of the reasons that I didn't make a change when I was younger.
Nowadays, I don't care if friends or peers earn twice or three times what I do, as I have enough, and just having more doesn't make people happier.
speedyguy said:
OP sounds where i was working in a national highways company.
Snails pace and regulation and bullcarp, left for the 2nd time last year, now work part time for a smallish family company any 3 days i want pottering around the peak district and surrounding areas in a little van for a bit less money and a lot more fun.
That sounds positive. Snails pace and regulation and bullcarp, left for the 2nd time last year, now work part time for a smallish family company any 3 days i want pottering around the peak district and surrounding areas in a little van for a bit less money and a lot more fun.
What sort of work were you doing and what are you doing now?
I'm most happy when I am doing something tangible, not necessarily physical, but I do enjoy being hands-on and helping/advising/teaching.
Woodrow Wilson said:
A gap year travelling/doing activities really isn't an option with children at junior and high school.
Are you sure? Plenty of kids get home schooled, which is challenging enough with the way that local government education officials, try to thwart the good intentions of home schooling parents, and adding in travel could make it even more difficult, but nothing is impossible if you want to make it work. I do accept though you'd have to really want to do that.
Just typing that has got me thinking though. I'm 55, our kids have grown up, trying to put as much money into pension and invest wisely so i can retire at 60. Why? Why don't we shut the house up, and go traveling for a year. I mean the global pandemic is nearly over.
Is it the fear of what I'd come back to?
I've just had a week off with covid, and I really can't be arsed with work.at all.
Pit Pony said:
Are you sure? Plenty of kids get home schooled, which is challenging enough with the way that local government education officials, try to thwart the good intentions of home schooling parents, and adding in travel could make it even more difficult, but nothing is impossible if you want to make it work.
I do accept though you'd have to really want to do that.
thanks, but we really don't. I do accept though you'd have to really want to do that.
Pandemic home-schooling was not a great experience.
Children seeing less of other children their own age is not a good thing either when most seem to want to spend most of their time alone staring at screens.
Pit Pony said:
Why don't we shut the house up, and go traveling for a year. I mean the global pandemic is nearly over.
Is it the fear of what I'd come back to?
I've just had a week off with covid, and I really can't be arsed with work.at all.
If you have no dependents, you can afford to do it, and can afford to do lower paid work when you return, why not?Is it the fear of what I'd come back to?
I've just had a week off with covid, and I really can't be arsed with work.at all.
The parents of a friend of mine did it.
Woodrow Wilson said:
The work is not stressful, it just seems almost entirely pointless and there is no sense of achievement or satisfaction whatsoever. It's a dull and unfulfilling rut that just sees me going through the motions, with a dose of cynicism, and is not allowing me to fulfill any sort of potential. Some people seem content to do the work (although fewer than it appears on the surface) , but I am definitely very different to almost all of my colleagues.
Work has caused me to be unhappy outside of work in the past, but I have made an effort to have other things going on in my life, which has been successful.
I feel that I could be doing something far more useful, stimulating, satisfying, *taking some sense of pride in it* for 40+ hours per week -not just being paid a wage.
Could have written this myself word for word. I am and have always been so unmotivated by work. Work has caused me to be unhappy outside of work in the past, but I have made an effort to have other things going on in my life, which has been successful.
I feel that I could be doing something far more useful, stimulating, satisfying, *taking some sense of pride in it* for 40+ hours per week -not just being paid a wage.
I had five careers in different places and still enjoy work.
I suggest that you try first to find the job you want. There are many vacancies these days.
-What are the skills you have?
-are you willing to move?
-if not what companies are in your area?
When looking at a job it’s not the starting salary. It’s the opportunity to progress that counts. When people see themselves as not appreciated it is often because of being in the same job too long. Promotion is a great appreciation.
I would not leave for a lower-paid job personally. Not great on your CV.
One final thought. We are heading into an uncertain economic future in the next few years. Inflation and a possible recession. If you want to move do it now and don’t get caught out between jobs.
I suggest that you try first to find the job you want. There are many vacancies these days.
-What are the skills you have?
-are you willing to move?
-if not what companies are in your area?
When looking at a job it’s not the starting salary. It’s the opportunity to progress that counts. When people see themselves as not appreciated it is often because of being in the same job too long. Promotion is a great appreciation.
I would not leave for a lower-paid job personally. Not great on your CV.
One final thought. We are heading into an uncertain economic future in the next few years. Inflation and a possible recession. If you want to move do it now and don’t get caught out between jobs.
RDMcG said:
I had five careers in different places and still enjoy work.
I suggest that you try first to find the job you want. There are many vacancies these days.
-What are the skills you have?
-are you willing to move?
-if not what companies are in your area?
When looking at a job it’s not the starting salary. It’s the opportunity to progress that counts. When people see themselves as not appreciated it is often because of being in the same job too long. Promotion is a great appreciation.
I would not leave for a lower-paid job personally. Not great on your CV.
One final thought. We are heading into an uncertain economic future in the next few years. Inflation and a possible recession. If you want to move do it now and don’t get caught out between jobs.
doesn't look great on your cv ? I suggest that you try first to find the job you want. There are many vacancies these days.
-What are the skills you have?
-are you willing to move?
-if not what companies are in your area?
When looking at a job it’s not the starting salary. It’s the opportunity to progress that counts. When people see themselves as not appreciated it is often because of being in the same job too long. Promotion is a great appreciation.
I would not leave for a lower-paid job personally. Not great on your CV.
One final thought. We are heading into an uncertain economic future in the next few years. Inflation and a possible recession. If you want to move do it now and don’t get caught out between jobs.
we are talking about being miserable in your job not what your cv looks like .
Pitre said:
I would get another job before jacking in your current one. Then if they tell you they don't want you to serve your notice you get a paid-for break and walk into your new job refreshed.
Good luck OP.
The flip side of that being that if the OP is in a competitive job market and finds his dream job, there could be other applicants ready to start tomorrow, whilst he serves his notice at the job he hates.Good luck OP.
OP, if you're not financially dependent on this job just jack it in now, have the balls to walk out and then take some time off to chill out and reset (we are coming into the best time of year to do that) then after the appropriate amount of R&R get yourself back out there. Try not to land in a similar role in another org.
911r said:
doesn't look great on your cv ?
we are talking about being miserable in your job not what your cv looks like .
. we are talking about being miserable in your job not what your cv looks like .
Your CV is about your next job.
I have done an enormous amount of hiring in my life and I would question a move that made little finance sense.
My original point was only to suggest planning your next move before walking out. If you are in a very high-demand tech job for instance that you have different situation when you can walk and be recruited immediately.
RDMcG said:
911r said:
doesn't look great on your cv ?
we are talking about being miserable in your job not what your cv looks like .
. we are talking about being miserable in your job not what your cv looks like .
Your CV is about your next job.
I have done an enormous amount of hiring in my life and I would question a move that made little finance sense.
My original point was only to suggest planning your next move before walking out. If you are in a very high-demand tech job for instance that you have different situation when you can walk and be recruited immediately.
so you would disapprove/dismiss of a cv that had say a financial trader then suddenly helping children in Africa for for 1/10th of the pay ? for example
There’s an advert on TV at the moment which says something like; ‘Nobody goes to the grave thinking ‘I wish I’d bought more stuff..’ and whilst cheesy, it’s absolutely true. We get caught up on the fact that we can’t survive on a lesser salary but you just have to adapt.
I’ve just turned 50 but at the back end of last year I was working on a contract that I hated, money was good but the people I dealt with on a daily basis were small minded, vindictive and unprofessional. They were very high up in a well known company and I was at the stage where I dreaded starting work every day. I’d never walked away from a contract before and had nothing lined up but had to quit for my own mental health.
It gets easier as you get older I think as you start to become aware of your own mortality, but it was the best thing I’d ever done. I earn less now but I’m so much happier and have time for myself and family without worrying about work the next day.
If I was ever in the same situation in the future I’ve now got the confidence to do it again. Don’t waste your time OP, if you’re not happy, walk away.
I’ve just turned 50 but at the back end of last year I was working on a contract that I hated, money was good but the people I dealt with on a daily basis were small minded, vindictive and unprofessional. They were very high up in a well known company and I was at the stage where I dreaded starting work every day. I’d never walked away from a contract before and had nothing lined up but had to quit for my own mental health.
It gets easier as you get older I think as you start to become aware of your own mortality, but it was the best thing I’d ever done. I earn less now but I’m so much happier and have time for myself and family without worrying about work the next day.
If I was ever in the same situation in the future I’ve now got the confidence to do it again. Don’t waste your time OP, if you’re not happy, walk away.
911r said:
RDMcG said:
911r said:
doesn't look great on your cv ?
we are talking about being miserable in your job not what your cv looks like .
. we are talking about being miserable in your job not what your cv looks like .
Your CV is about your next job.
I have done an enormous amount of hiring in my life and I would question a move that made little finance sense.
My original point was only to suggest planning your next move before walking out. If you are in a very high-demand tech job for instance that you have different situation when you can walk and be recruited immediately.
so you would disapprove/dismiss of a cv that had say a financial trader then suddenly helping children in Africa for for 1/10th of the pay ? for example
My wife is struggling now with trying to find a downsized financial sector job. Recruiter friend thinks being overqualified is a big part of the problem & the decision makers are afraid of taking on anyone who could easily take over their own jobs (or get bored & quit). In reality she just wants a part time role that she can accomplish without much effort or stress.
911r said:
so you would disapprove/dismiss of a cv that had say a financial trader then suddenly helping children in Africa for for 1/10th of the pay ? for example
I know a bloke that did somewhat close to this. He worked for us and ran our Dubai outfit.He left, went and spent a year in Africa volunteering, with his family, too.
When he returned, he took a role with a europe based software vendor and, because he's good, is now director of most of Europe.
Last time I spoke to him, he's on top of the world now. And also the only person I know who has taken a Ukrainian family in.
He made it all successful, by and large, because he decided he would. I have learnt quite a lot from him.
andrebar said:
In that example I can see a few reasons to be wary!!
My wife is struggling now with trying to find a downsized financial sector job. Recruiter friend thinks being overqualified is a big part of the problem & the decision makers are afraid of taking on anyone who could easily take over their own jobs (or get bored & quit). In reality she just wants a part time role that she can accomplish without much effort or stress.
What sort of thing, and where?My wife is struggling now with trying to find a downsized financial sector job. Recruiter friend thinks being overqualified is a big part of the problem & the decision makers are afraid of taking on anyone who could easily take over their own jobs (or get bored & quit). In reality she just wants a part time role that she can accomplish without much effort or stress.
RDMcG said:
911r said:
doesn't look great on your cv ?
we are talking about being miserable in your job not what your cv looks like .
. we are talking about being miserable in your job not what your cv looks like .
Your CV is about your next job.
I have done an enormous amount of hiring in my life and I would question a move that made little finance sense.
My original point was only to suggest planning your next move before walking out. If you are in a very high-demand tech job for instance that you have different situation when you can walk and be recruited immediately.
CV easy to make up.
With your enormous amount of hiring I would expect you to be aware that a CV is nothing but a bunch of crap that employers seem to think they can know someone from.
.the reality, with my enormous amount of hiring, as you put it, I put the CVS in the bin and employ the person.
Some of my best staff are ones with a made up past.
Mr Spoon said:
References easy to fake.
CV easy to make up.
With your enormous amount of hiring I would expect you to be aware that a CV is nothing but a bunch of crap that employers seem to think they can know someone from.
.the reality, with my enormous amount of hiring, as you put it, I put the CVS in the bin and employ the person.
Some of my best staff are ones with a made up past.
We do a lot of cross referencing for a senior position; first of all we have the headhunters check everything including social media posts etc, criminal records etc. At an executive level I have often called the references personally. Very easy to determine if they are genuine people.CV easy to make up.
With your enormous amount of hiring I would expect you to be aware that a CV is nothing but a bunch of crap that employers seem to think they can know someone from.
.the reality, with my enormous amount of hiring, as you put it, I put the CVS in the bin and employ the person.
Some of my best staff are ones with a made up past.
OF course it is easy to fake a CV, but if the hirer is too damn lazy to do a proper check then why bother?. I always look for gaps in the CV, lack of continuity and so on. In itself these are just the usual checks; the interview itself is vital and generally I can get a feel for the person quickly. If it is a very senior position there may be more than one interviewer and then we get together and share out impressions..This for executive level stuff.
I have done this at various levels, and the CV is just one piece to the process.
I care less about formal education than about recent achievements , whether the person can point out and quantify how they made a difference in their role for instance. A lost of titles is less informative.
Very standard stuff.
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