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About three years ago my wife and I asked our Kleeneze guy about joining after seeing the ad in the book we had been customers for years. We started in January 2007. In our first month we earned £400 so after we paid for the books we cleared £250 profit. Within 9 months we had built our earnings up to about £1,300 per month. After 9 months up to over £2,000 per month. last year we earned over £30k we are now full time.On top of this we got awarded £15k of free holidays one to Cyprus and one to Capetown.
We built a team stretching from Southampton to Glasgow and last year turned over £250,000 we personaly retail about £3k per month. We have been featured in our local newspaper Here is a link proving everything I say is true http://www.tpace.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
We have helped many people to earn over £3k pm part time and apart from the original £150 we invested it has never cost us a penny from our own money.
We realised from day one it was a business not a job. We have worked flat out with total dedication almost 7 days per week since we went full time. We love very moment of our it. Kleeneze is 87 years old and has never posted a loss in the UK. Many people have not succeeded. Just like in any business. 95% of ALL busineses fail within 2 years. Why should Kleeneze be any different? Every business requires 110% commitment and a realisation that there will be many downs as well as ups. It does not suit everyone. Many people nievly start expecting a Job. It is not and never will be one.It is a business and comes with the gamble that every business owner takes when he starts up. Some fail some don't. To base your success on someon elses failure is plai silly. We alll know people fail driving tests but they seldom quit after the first attempt. Or are influenced by the people wo have failed.
We simply carried on paying out our hard earned cash for lessons untill we passed. Some people carry on for years it costing them Thousands of pounds. They see it as an investment worth the cost.
I believe Kleeneze to be exactly the same. An Invstment in time and money well worth the cost. My wife & I are living proof.
We built a team stretching from Southampton to Glasgow and last year turned over £250,000 we personaly retail about £3k per month. We have been featured in our local newspaper Here is a link proving everything I say is true http://www.tpace.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
We have helped many people to earn over £3k pm part time and apart from the original £150 we invested it has never cost us a penny from our own money.
We realised from day one it was a business not a job. We have worked flat out with total dedication almost 7 days per week since we went full time. We love very moment of our it. Kleeneze is 87 years old and has never posted a loss in the UK. Many people have not succeeded. Just like in any business. 95% of ALL busineses fail within 2 years. Why should Kleeneze be any different? Every business requires 110% commitment and a realisation that there will be many downs as well as ups. It does not suit everyone. Many people nievly start expecting a Job. It is not and never will be one.It is a business and comes with the gamble that every business owner takes when he starts up. Some fail some don't. To base your success on someon elses failure is plai silly. We alll know people fail driving tests but they seldom quit after the first attempt. Or are influenced by the people wo have failed.
We simply carried on paying out our hard earned cash for lessons untill we passed. Some people carry on for years it costing them Thousands of pounds. They see it as an investment worth the cost.
I believe Kleeneze to be exactly the same. An Invstment in time and money well worth the cost. My wife & I are living proof.
"We realised from day one it was a business not a job. We have worked flat out with total dedication almost 7 days per week since we went full time."
nice to hear a sucess story from someone whos done it and continues with it
so often you hear "tried it for a month, im not a millionaire, so its crap" type of craziness
nice to hear a sucess story from someone whos done it and continues with it
so often you hear "tried it for a month, im not a millionaire, so its crap" type of craziness
Tim Pace said:
About three years ago my wife and I asked our Kleeneze guy about joining after seeing the ad in the book we had been customers for years. We started in January 2007. In our first month we earned £400 so after we paid for the books we cleared £250 profit. Within 9 months we had built our earnings up to about £1,300 per month. After 9 months up to over £2,000 per month. last year we earned over £30k we are now full time.On top of this we got awarded £15k of free holidays one to Cyprus and one to Capetown.
We built a team stretching from Southampton to Glasgow and last year turned over £250,000 we personaly retail about £3k per month. We have been featured in our local newspaper Here is a link proving everything I say is true http://www.tpace.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
We have helped many people to earn over £3k pm part time and apart from the original £150 we invested it has never cost us a penny from our own money.
We realised from day one it was a business not a job. We have worked flat out with total dedication almost 7 days per week since we went full time. We love very moment of our it. Kleeneze is 87 years old and has never posted a loss in the UK. Many people have not succeeded. Just like in any business. 95% of ALL busineses fail within 2 years. Why should Kleeneze be any different? Every business requires 110% commitment and a realisation that there will be many downs as well as ups. It does not suit everyone. Many people nievly start expecting a Job. It is not and never will be one.It is a business and comes with the gamble that every business owner takes when he starts up. Some fail some don't. To base your success on someon elses failure is plai silly. We alll know people fail driving tests but they seldom quit after the first attempt. Or are influenced by the people wo have failed.
We simply carried on paying out our hard earned cash for lessons untill we passed. Some people carry on for years it costing them Thousands of pounds. They see it as an investment worth the cost.
I believe Kleeneze to be exactly the same. An Invstment in time and money well worth the cost. My wife & I are living proof.
I'm always a little bit sceptical of someone who joins a forum justyb to make a point about their success - especially inn these types of franchise opetrations.We built a team stretching from Southampton to Glasgow and last year turned over £250,000 we personaly retail about £3k per month. We have been featured in our local newspaper Here is a link proving everything I say is true http://www.tpace.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
We have helped many people to earn over £3k pm part time and apart from the original £150 we invested it has never cost us a penny from our own money.
We realised from day one it was a business not a job. We have worked flat out with total dedication almost 7 days per week since we went full time. We love very moment of our it. Kleeneze is 87 years old and has never posted a loss in the UK. Many people have not succeeded. Just like in any business. 95% of ALL busineses fail within 2 years. Why should Kleeneze be any different? Every business requires 110% commitment and a realisation that there will be many downs as well as ups. It does not suit everyone. Many people nievly start expecting a Job. It is not and never will be one.It is a business and comes with the gamble that every business owner takes when he starts up. Some fail some don't. To base your success on someon elses failure is plai silly. We alll know people fail driving tests but they seldom quit after the first attempt. Or are influenced by the people wo have failed.
We simply carried on paying out our hard earned cash for lessons untill we passed. Some people carry on for years it costing them Thousands of pounds. They see it as an investment worth the cost.
I believe Kleeneze to be exactly the same. An Invstment in time and money well worth the cost. My wife & I are living proof.
On the whole, only a small number of people can make them work - so Tim might be one of the lucky (and determined) ones.
Puggit said:
The Kleeneze sales rep who turns up in our street drives the most dilapidated piece of sh!t on the road. Plastered with stickers about earning £x per year.
That tells me all I need to know!
Same here. I saw a rusty old D-Reg Micra drive past me last week with a "Make £500 per week, part time" sticker on it. Who's he trying to kid?That tells me all I need to know!
I would say in any new business of any type, only a small number of determined people suceed
whats the official stats? 50% fail in first 2 years ....80% are not around 10 years later? ...that kind of thing
I think the problem is always with perceptions...people expect to buy a franchise or opportunity for £100 and be retired in 5 years time LOL
Im sure most traditional business owners would like to be in a position to actually retire *one day* , let alone in 5 years !
whats the official stats? 50% fail in first 2 years ....80% are not around 10 years later? ...that kind of thing
I think the problem is always with perceptions...people expect to buy a franchise or opportunity for £100 and be retired in 5 years time LOL
Im sure most traditional business owners would like to be in a position to actually retire *one day* , let alone in 5 years !
Tim Pace said:
About three years ago my wife and I asked our Kleeneze guy about joining after seeing the ad in the book we had been customers for years. We started in January 2007. In our first month we earned £400 so after we paid for the books we cleared £250 profit. Within 9 months we had built our earnings up to about £1,300 per month. After 9 months up to over £2,000 per month. last year we earned over £30k we are now full time.On top of this we got awarded £15k of free holidays one to Cyprus and one to Capetown.
We built a team stretching from Southampton to Glasgow and last year turned over £250,000 we personaly retail about £3k per month. We have been featured in our local newspaper Here is a link proving everything I say is true http://www.tpace.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
We have helped many people to earn over £3k pm part time and apart from the original £150 we invested it has never cost us a penny from our own money.
We realised from day one it was a business not a job. We have worked flat out with total dedication almost 7 days per week since we went full time. We love very moment of our it. Kleeneze is 87 years old and has never posted a loss in the UK. Many people have not succeeded. Just like in any business. 95% of ALL busineses fail within 2 years. Why should Kleeneze be any different? Every business requires 110% commitment and a realisation that there will be many downs as well as ups. It does not suit everyone. Many people nievly start expecting a Job. It is not and never will be one.It is a business and comes with the gamble that every business owner takes when he starts up. Some fail some don't. To base your success on someon elses failure is plai silly. We alll know people fail driving tests but they seldom quit after the first attempt. Or are influenced by the people wo have failed.
We simply carried on paying out our hard earned cash for lessons untill we passed. Some people carry on for years it costing them Thousands of pounds. They see it as an investment worth the cost.
I believe Kleeneze to be exactly the same. An Invstment in time and money well worth the cost. My wife & I are living proof.
So only 5% of people succeed with a Kleenex Franchise?We built a team stretching from Southampton to Glasgow and last year turned over £250,000 we personaly retail about £3k per month. We have been featured in our local newspaper Here is a link proving everything I say is true http://www.tpace.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
We have helped many people to earn over £3k pm part time and apart from the original £150 we invested it has never cost us a penny from our own money.
We realised from day one it was a business not a job. We have worked flat out with total dedication almost 7 days per week since we went full time. We love very moment of our it. Kleeneze is 87 years old and has never posted a loss in the UK. Many people have not succeeded. Just like in any business. 95% of ALL busineses fail within 2 years. Why should Kleeneze be any different? Every business requires 110% commitment and a realisation that there will be many downs as well as ups. It does not suit everyone. Many people nievly start expecting a Job. It is not and never will be one.It is a business and comes with the gamble that every business owner takes when he starts up. Some fail some don't. To base your success on someon elses failure is plai silly. We alll know people fail driving tests but they seldom quit after the first attempt. Or are influenced by the people wo have failed.
We simply carried on paying out our hard earned cash for lessons untill we passed. Some people carry on for years it costing them Thousands of pounds. They see it as an investment worth the cost.
I believe Kleeneze to be exactly the same. An Invstment in time and money well worth the cost. My wife & I are living proof.
The whole point of having a franchise is that the risk element should be greatley reduced. Who ever saw a McDonald's restaurant go broke?
Don
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Yelly said:
@Tim: Do you like cars?
? ?
?or is Tim just a promo agent for the brand talking bullsh!t? Just because some didn't carry on the start doesn't mean we weren't dedicated...No point continuing the losing game...theory is one thing, in practise can be very different.
Tim Pace said:
Here is a link proving everything I say is true http://www.tpace.***.********.co.uk/
That website proves nothing (other than you, or someone you know, can create a website).Van Diesel said:
Tim Pace said:
Here is a link proving everything I say is true http://www.tpace.***.********.co.uk/
That website proves nothing (other than you, or someone you know, can create a website).I do like cars, and motorbikes. I like classic carsd though not new ones. I am currently working on an XJ8.
There have been some good comments. I recently sponsored a new agent from the sign on my old beat up fiesta. He saw it whilst driving a new merc.
I agree I could have made it all up. It is very easy to make a website. However Its very hard to fake the newspaper articles on my website (this is available from the Express & Star website if you want a link to it). Or the inclusion of my business on the official Kleeneze DVD
Regarding the pension. Kleeneze provides residual income we get paid a monthly bonus by Kleeneze based on the turnover of our team. This is as good as a pension I get 4% of the team turnover for life. And it grows every year as the team grows. It is also linked to inflation as the price of our goods rise every year with inflation.
£13,000 pa of my income is nothjing to do with my own efforts. It just comes in every year without any effort by me, apart from running the team. A collegue of mine recetnly had a year off without any work at all due to illness and still got paid £73,000
I stumbled on this forum as I was searching for something in google(as you do) so just thought it may be good to let people know that there are succesess as well as failures.
BTW my Niece spent £35k on a baking franchise and lost the lot in 3 years and ended up bankrupt. There is NO guarantee with any franchise and never will be.
I dont need to have any motive for being on this site, I have enquiries comming out of my ears at the moment as we are advertising on TV and I advertise in the national papers every week. I have been called lucky before. I agree lucky I did not listen to the people who told me it would not work three years ago.
I have also been awarded £15k of free travel a trip to Cyprus and a trip to Cape Town I was asked by the company to speak at the Cyprus conference here is a link you will see my speech at the top of the page.http://kleeneze03.blogspot.com/2009/10/kleeneze-conference-2009-talks.html
here are some video links too from the holidays If I made it up its a good con aint it ??
I am the guy speaking by the podium the fat chap with the glasses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZz1otZ_zbU
and Capetown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnlDkpigrK0
Just because you refuse to believe things in life don't mean they are not true !
There have been some good comments. I recently sponsored a new agent from the sign on my old beat up fiesta. He saw it whilst driving a new merc.
I agree I could have made it all up. It is very easy to make a website. However Its very hard to fake the newspaper articles on my website (this is available from the Express & Star website if you want a link to it). Or the inclusion of my business on the official Kleeneze DVD
Regarding the pension. Kleeneze provides residual income we get paid a monthly bonus by Kleeneze based on the turnover of our team. This is as good as a pension I get 4% of the team turnover for life. And it grows every year as the team grows. It is also linked to inflation as the price of our goods rise every year with inflation.
£13,000 pa of my income is nothjing to do with my own efforts. It just comes in every year without any effort by me, apart from running the team. A collegue of mine recetnly had a year off without any work at all due to illness and still got paid £73,000
I stumbled on this forum as I was searching for something in google(as you do) so just thought it may be good to let people know that there are succesess as well as failures.
BTW my Niece spent £35k on a baking franchise and lost the lot in 3 years and ended up bankrupt. There is NO guarantee with any franchise and never will be.
I dont need to have any motive for being on this site, I have enquiries comming out of my ears at the moment as we are advertising on TV and I advertise in the national papers every week. I have been called lucky before. I agree lucky I did not listen to the people who told me it would not work three years ago.
I have also been awarded £15k of free travel a trip to Cyprus and a trip to Cape Town I was asked by the company to speak at the Cyprus conference here is a link you will see my speech at the top of the page.http://kleeneze03.blogspot.com/2009/10/kleeneze-conference-2009-talks.html
here are some video links too from the holidays If I made it up its a good con aint it ??
I am the guy speaking by the podium the fat chap with the glasses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZz1otZ_zbU
and Capetown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnlDkpigrK0
Just because you refuse to believe things in life don't mean they are not true !
I never said it was a con. I used to do Kleeneze. I know it's not worth the effort to do it these days.
When do you start, Tim?
Of course, you take commissions from people who contact you and join under you, or you might wish to help those under you, by placing someone under them, so it is in your interest to get as many people as possible to join, by showing how great it is for you.
Is they say in Kleeneze "training" - I'd rather earn a penny from the work of a hundred people, than earn a pound myself (or something like that).
Believe me, I know, I've had the Cd that people get when they join Kleeneze, and I've listened to it many times in the past. So of course if you can get a penny from a few people then that goes towards YOUR target. But that's no good for anyone considering to join Kleeneze, who isn't told of the down sides by you.
Right. The money isn't worth it for the effort required. Anyone starting Kleenze will earn more money in a Minimum Wage job. That will remain true for years; forever.
The streets are saturated with Kleeneze already. Wheerever you go, there will be people cataloguing in that area already. There is no "area"; it is a free-for-all and there just is no market for the products. The products are crap and expensive; so that's no good, either.
And anyone who is doing it is indoctrinated and looks to indoctrinate others, as well. Whether they believe what they say or not is immaterial; the bottom line is that it isn't worth anyone going into it, now.
@Tim, - well done on shamelessly putting more links up to improve your Google ranking, now that you have seen that the moderators here seem to allow commercial promotion on this forum.
When do you start, Tim?
Of course, you take commissions from people who contact you and join under you, or you might wish to help those under you, by placing someone under them, so it is in your interest to get as many people as possible to join, by showing how great it is for you.
Is they say in Kleeneze "training" - I'd rather earn a penny from the work of a hundred people, than earn a pound myself (or something like that).
Believe me, I know, I've had the Cd that people get when they join Kleeneze, and I've listened to it many times in the past. So of course if you can get a penny from a few people then that goes towards YOUR target. But that's no good for anyone considering to join Kleeneze, who isn't told of the down sides by you.
Right. The money isn't worth it for the effort required. Anyone starting Kleenze will earn more money in a Minimum Wage job. That will remain true for years; forever.
The streets are saturated with Kleeneze already. Wheerever you go, there will be people cataloguing in that area already. There is no "area"; it is a free-for-all and there just is no market for the products. The products are crap and expensive; so that's no good, either.
And anyone who is doing it is indoctrinated and looks to indoctrinate others, as well. Whether they believe what they say or not is immaterial; the bottom line is that it isn't worth anyone going into it, now.
@Tim, - well done on shamelessly putting more links up to improve your Google ranking, now that you have seen that the moderators here seem to allow commercial promotion on this forum.
Yelly said:
I never said it was a con. I used to do Kleeneze. I know it's not worth the effort to do it these days.
When do you start, Tim?
Of course, you take commissions from people who contact you and join under you, or you might wish to help those under you, by placing someone under them, so it is in your interest to get as many people as possible to join, by showing how great it is for you.
Is they say in Kleeneze "training" - I'd rather earn a penny from the work of a hundred people, than earn a pound myself (or something like that).
Believe me, I know, I've had the Cd that people get when they join Kleeneze, and I've listened to it many times in the past. So of course if you can get a penny from a few people then that goes towards YOUR target. But that's no good for anyone considering to join Kleeneze, who isn't told of the down sides by you.
Right. The money isn't worth it for the effort required. Anyone starting Kleenze will earn more money in a Minimum Wage job. That will remain true for years; forever.
The streets are saturated with Kleeneze already. Wheerever you go, there will be people cataloguing in that area already. There is no "area"; it is a free-for-all and there just is no market for the products. The products are crap and expensive; so that's no good, either.
And anyone who is doing it is indoctrinated and looks to indoctrinate others, as well. Whether they believe what they say or not is immaterial; the bottom line is that it isn't worth anyone going into it, now.
@Tim, - well done on shamelessly putting more links up to improve your Google ranking, now that you have seen that the moderators here seem to allow commercial promotion on this forum.
Well said, Yelly. When do you start, Tim?
Of course, you take commissions from people who contact you and join under you, or you might wish to help those under you, by placing someone under them, so it is in your interest to get as many people as possible to join, by showing how great it is for you.
Is they say in Kleeneze "training" - I'd rather earn a penny from the work of a hundred people, than earn a pound myself (or something like that).
Believe me, I know, I've had the Cd that people get when they join Kleeneze, and I've listened to it many times in the past. So of course if you can get a penny from a few people then that goes towards YOUR target. But that's no good for anyone considering to join Kleeneze, who isn't told of the down sides by you.
Right. The money isn't worth it for the effort required. Anyone starting Kleenze will earn more money in a Minimum Wage job. That will remain true for years; forever.
The streets are saturated with Kleeneze already. Wheerever you go, there will be people cataloguing in that area already. There is no "area"; it is a free-for-all and there just is no market for the products. The products are crap and expensive; so that's no good, either.
And anyone who is doing it is indoctrinated and looks to indoctrinate others, as well. Whether they believe what they say or not is immaterial; the bottom line is that it isn't worth anyone going into it, now.
@Tim, - well done on shamelessly putting more links up to improve your Google ranking, now that you have seen that the moderators here seem to allow commercial promotion on this forum.
On any other forum, this would be removed as spam!
I have been doing it now for three years. Last year one of my new team members started and within 8 months built up a business in Worcester paying over £1,000 pm. The growth rate of new people joining now is faster than ever. There are 60 million people in the UK we only have 11,000 distributors. Then there is Holland and Germany too(we operate there too)We are no where near even started yet. It is common for people who do not understand our system of no areas to be confused. I was. it was the one thing that nearly put me off to be honest. However I listened to what I was told and they were right it worked.It is by no means perfect. I don't know anything that is in life. All that I know is every single month for three years I have had a pay rise. I have taked many people off the dole. Have helped many people to earn over £1k pm part time and, saved a few houses and help beat off a few baliffs. Every person I help earn £1,200 pm Kleeneze pay me £250. So lets do the maths I help them get £1,200 I get £250. Who has done who the favour ? I have gone on to earn more income than the person who introduced me. I know of not 1 job in the UK where it is possible to earn more than your Boss.
Just remember one thing. I do it for a living you don't I have proof you only have an opinion. You are entiltled to it though. I respect that.people will always look to back up their opinion on any thing they believe . I have no wish to be score points I am no better than anyone else. Just a normal working guy. Doing something different. That's all. I get paid on my own retai. And a residual income directly linked to and only if I help other people to earn money. I get nothing for just signing people up...that's illegal. However if I train them to take an order for £1 Kleeneze pay me(not my team member) 15p So even at the lowest level they still earn more than me from their business. However I can help 250 people...thats starts to build a nice income, a fantastic pension. And an income for life. Thats why I have a policeman, a Doctor, a headmaster, an accountant and an IT specialist. Oh and a Pilot in my team. Because they understand this wonderful principal and see past the catalogue.
I travel up and down the country week in from Southhampton to Glasgow building my teams, training and also servicing 1000 of my own local customers. And I love every second of it. I don't even see it as work. I love it that mutch. I havent got the time or inclination to try and convince anyone I dont need to, people contact me to join on a daily basis.
Just remember one thing. I do it for a living you don't I have proof you only have an opinion. You are entiltled to it though. I respect that.people will always look to back up their opinion on any thing they believe . I have no wish to be score points I am no better than anyone else. Just a normal working guy. Doing something different. That's all. I get paid on my own retai. And a residual income directly linked to and only if I help other people to earn money. I get nothing for just signing people up...that's illegal. However if I train them to take an order for £1 Kleeneze pay me(not my team member) 15p So even at the lowest level they still earn more than me from their business. However I can help 250 people...thats starts to build a nice income, a fantastic pension. And an income for life. Thats why I have a policeman, a Doctor, a headmaster, an accountant and an IT specialist. Oh and a Pilot in my team. Because they understand this wonderful principal and see past the catalogue.
I travel up and down the country week in from Southhampton to Glasgow building my teams, training and also servicing 1000 of my own local customers. And I love every second of it. I don't even see it as work. I love it that mutch. I havent got the time or inclination to try and convince anyone I dont need to, people contact me to join on a daily basis.
Tim Pace said:
...stuff and nonsense.
Wow, Tim, what a great bloke you are! I'd love to join your team but I can't as I am allergic to people waving their cock about declaring how much they earn while single-handedly saving the world too. It's a wonder you even have time to go for a s
t.Oh and by the way, you forgot to put your link in that last post...
Edited by Smart Mart on Sunday 30th May 23:49
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