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Smart Mart said:
Tim Pace said:
...stuff and nonsense.
Wow, Tim, what a great bloke you are! 
I'd love to join your team but I can't as I am allergic to people waving their cock about declaring how much they earn while single-handedly saving the world too. It's a wonder you even have time to go for a s
t.Oh and by the way, you forgot to put your link in that last post...
Edited by Smart Mart on Sunday 30th May 23:49
Yes you joined a thread and then spammed it not once but twice with your weak attempts to get others to join in your scheme.
I'm not bitter at all, Tim, not one bit. I wouldn't work for Kleeneze full stop as they ripped off a friend of mine to the tune of £1,500 a few years ago. The company's morals are low and I'm not impressed by the "no areas" rule which does little for distributors and even less for the poor sods whose houses can have catalogues dumped on them every week.
Sorry if I appear nasty but you are flogging a dead horse on here and people don't appreciate being spammed. Kleeneze works for people who want to bully and coerce folk into joining the scam but it's not for me, and by the looks of it, a few others on here too.
I'm not bitter at all, Tim, not one bit. I wouldn't work for Kleeneze full stop as they ripped off a friend of mine to the tune of £1,500 a few years ago. The company's morals are low and I'm not impressed by the "no areas" rule which does little for distributors and even less for the poor sods whose houses can have catalogues dumped on them every week.
Sorry if I appear nasty but you are flogging a dead horse on here and people don't appreciate being spammed. Kleeneze works for people who want to bully and coerce folk into joining the scam but it's not for me, and by the looks of it, a few others on here too.
Tim Pace said:
last year we earned over £30k we are now full time.On top of this we got awarded £15k of free holidays one to Cyprus and one to Capetown.
We have worked flat out with total dedication almost 7 days per week since we went full time. We love very moment of our it.
£30k PA for two of you working 7 days a week? - so that's about £10K each after deductions no? We have worked flat out with total dedication almost 7 days per week since we went full time. We love very moment of our it.
Tim Pace said:
I find this all quite shocking to be honest with you. I will leave you to your nasty bitter comments. Have fun at work tomorrow.
History and experience tells me you'll be back to see if your flounce has got any attention so hi there Tim... 
Anyway, I visited your website - yet another click from someone who won't be back. Why don't you say that it is Kleeneze on the website and let people make their own mind up whether they want to contact you? The way you do is sly, hidden and partly deceitful. I guess you would probably only get a tenth of the responses you receive at present.
There was a good point further up about you and your partner only getting net pay of £10k between you for a seven day a week business. Is this right?
Smart Mart said:
I've looked into it a couple of times over the years and worked for Betterware, Avon and Everyday Essentials in the past.
The one major issue with Kleeneze is that there are no areas as such. I could carefully choose a street that would suit my circumstances, i.e. close to my house, decent chance of good orders etc and canvass the area too. All sounds good but there's nothing stopping the next person to join in my area doing exactly the same on my patch. Avon keep boundaries for their distributors but Kleeneze don't bother and it's a nightmare.
The OP's missus might be better delivering free papers. I deliver 700 a week which takes about five hours and I get 10p a paper on average - that's about £14 an hour. I would say that it keeps me fit as well but it just gives me an appetite really...
The one major issue with Kleeneze is that there are no areas as such. I could carefully choose a street that would suit my circumstances, i.e. close to my house, decent chance of good orders etc and canvass the area too. All sounds good but there's nothing stopping the next person to join in my area doing exactly the same on my patch. Avon keep boundaries for their distributors but Kleeneze don't bother and it's a nightmare.
The OP's missus might be better delivering free papers. I deliver 700 a week which takes about five hours and I get 10p a paper on average - that's about £14 an hour. I would say that it keeps me fit as well but it just gives me an appetite really...
Smart Mart said:
Yes you joined a thread and then spammed it not once but twice with your weak attempts to get others to join in your scheme.
I'm not bitter at all, Tim, not one bit. I wouldn't work for Kleeneze full stop as they ripped off a friend of mine to the tune of £1,500 a few years ago. The company's morals are low and I'm not impressed by the "no areas" rule which does little for distributors and even less for the poor sods whose houses can have catalogues dumped on them every week.
Sorry if I appear nasty but you are flogging a dead horse on here and people don't appreciate being spammed. Kleeneze works for people who want to bully and coerce folk into joining the scam but it's not for me, and by the looks of it, a few others on here too.
WOW it's a real shame that you have such a low opinion of the Kleeneze scheme.I'm not bitter at all, Tim, not one bit. I wouldn't work for Kleeneze full stop as they ripped off a friend of mine to the tune of £1,500 a few years ago. The company's morals are low and I'm not impressed by the "no areas" rule which does little for distributors and even less for the poor sods whose houses can have catalogues dumped on them every week.
Sorry if I appear nasty but you are flogging a dead horse on here and people don't appreciate being spammed. Kleeneze works for people who want to bully and coerce folk into joining the scam but it's not for me, and by the looks of it, a few others on here too.
We've been distributors for Kleeneze for just over a year now and for the first year we did nothing but retail (put catalogues through doors)
I understand that it may be the minutest of inconveniences to get two Kleeneze catalogues through your door in the same week (or maybe even the same day) but believe me there isn't a distributor in the country who WANTS to deliver their catalogues to a house that's just had one.
The average earning for a new distributor is about £10 per hour(this varies depeding on how much effort gets put in, and a little bit of luck - because the more retail we do the bigger the bonus we get at the end of the month)
As for CONNING others into joining Kleeneze, what's the point? NOBODY earns anthing from getting someone to join any scheme in the UK it's against the law (because of pyramid schemes) we only benefit from other distributors success, and we are totally upfront about what we earn from our team members, before they join - it's part of the attraction of Kleeneze.
What would you say to me if I told you you could have a £1,000 a month 'pension' from Kleeneze before the end of the year if you gave me 20 hours a week between now and then? That's £1,000 a month without getting out of bed!
I'm not going to post any links here I know what people think of that. If you want to know the truth about Kleeneze then you can find me through my profile.
I'm not going to brag about how much I've earned just from putting catalogues through doors. You can find that out for yourself on my website, or if you want try Googling Angela & Paul McGuinness. It's not just my website you'll find our story on.
Just ask yourself this question when you're taking advice on Kleeneze from people (effectively taking financial advice) 'do I want to earn what the people giving me the advice are earning, or do I want to find people earning the money I want to earn, and ask THEM for advice?'
Smart Mart said:
Yes you joined a thread and then spammed it not once but twice with your weak attempts to get others to join in your scheme.
I'm not bitter at all, Tim, not one bit. I wouldn't work for Kleeneze full stop as they ripped off a friend of mine to the tune of £1,500 a few years ago. The company's morals are low and I'm not impressed by the "no areas" rule which does little for distributors and even less for the poor sods whose houses can have catalogues dumped on them every week.
Sorry if I appear nasty but you are flogging a dead horse on here and people don't appreciate being spammed. Kleeneze works for people who want to bully and coerce folk into joining the scam but it's not for me, and by the looks of it, a few others on here too.
Any chance of letting us know how Kleeneze ripped this friend of yours off?I'm not bitter at all, Tim, not one bit. I wouldn't work for Kleeneze full stop as they ripped off a friend of mine to the tune of £1,500 a few years ago. The company's morals are low and I'm not impressed by the "no areas" rule which does little for distributors and even less for the poor sods whose houses can have catalogues dumped on them every week.
Sorry if I appear nasty but you are flogging a dead horse on here and people don't appreciate being spammed. Kleeneze works for people who want to bully and coerce folk into joining the scam but it's not for me, and by the looks of it, a few others on here too.
Smart Mart said:
Tim Pace said:
I find this all quite shocking to be honest with you. I will leave you to your nasty bitter comments. Have fun at work tomorrow.
History and experience tells me you'll be back to see if your flounce has got any attention so hi there Tim... Anyway, I visited your website - yet another click from someone who won't be back. Why don't you say that it is Kleeneze on the website and let people make their own mind up whether they want to contact you? The way you do is sly, hidden and partly deceitful. I guess you would probably only get a tenth of the responses you receive at present.
There was a good point further up about you and your partner only getting net pay of £10k between you for a seven day a week business. Is this right?
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There's a massive point that you're missing though. Kleeneze isn't a job, it's a business. And a business that makes a profit in the first year is almost unheard of. Anyone who wants to make a go of Kleeneze WILL be in profit in the first MONTH.
Besides that I very much doubt if Tims' £30K a year income is generated entirely from retail. In fact I'd be surprised if even half of his income comes from his own retail. Which means that in a year he has generated a 'residual income' of £15K a year. The Government gives us one of those when we've worked for a minimum of 30 years and we're at least 65 years old, it's caled state pension, and for 30 years of 9 'till 5 they give us £97.65 a week, which is what £5K a year??
I'm really not into trying to blow my own trumpet, and some people have a really bad impression of Kleeneze but at the end of the day we're all just trying to get by in life. If you don't want to join then don't, but unless you personally had a bad experience why do you have to bad mouth something you know very little about?
ETA
No links to your company on the forums please. You have to pay to advertise on PH.
Edited by Big Al. on Thursday 1st July 20:07
dudleybloke said:
a lot of items costing 3-6 quid from kleeneze can be found in your local pound shop.
Plus two quid for parkingAn hour and a half stuck in traffic
and a quids worth of petrol?
and when it doesn't work when I get it home I can do it all again (or ask for me quid back lol)
It's like buying on ebay the goods are sold for a penny with £7.50 postage so when you tell them they sold you rubbish they refund your penny and keep the postage (always non-refundable)
I'd rather have some mug deliver it to my house and spend the time doing something worthwhile
The Kleeneze man said:
dudleybloke said:
a lot of items costing 3-6 quid from kleeneze can be found in your local pound shop.
Plus two quid for parkingAn hour and a half stuck in traffic
and a quids worth of petrol?
and when it doesn't work when I get it home I can do it all again (or ask for me quid back lol)
It's like buying on ebay the goods are sold for a penny with £7.50 postage so when you tell them they sold you rubbish they refund your penny and keep the postage (always non-refundable)
I'd rather have some mug deliver it to my house and spend the time doing something worthwhile
What are the profit margins on the product?
My problem with Kleeneze and similar schemes is that if you have a worthwhile product you want to sell why wouldn't you hire a proper sales team? Recruiting new members is all well and good, but you can do the same in a proper sales job and if you're any good you'd be earning more than 30K after 3 years.
Secondly, 11,000 people covering the UK sounds like a small fraction of 60 million but it's HUGE compared to most companies.
I've been doing Betterware for the last month - for the 25-30 hours a week I've put in, have averaged 50p an hour income.
I got excited by the 'big week' where for every £30 over your target you'd get £6 and a stamp ( this is a co-ordinator's bonus of a supermarket saving stamp paid out 2nd to last week in December each year). I managed more than £120 of my weekly £125 target and was expecting a decent cash effort for this week. NO, didn't happen, the £6 bonus was only an example that if I'd made £30 over the target I would achieve £6 in commission. Since commission is 20% on the products, it was what you'd achieve whatever was bought.
Today I also got told that cheques were now not suitable payment - even though all the brochures have been going out with cheques as payment on order forms. Now it's accept cheques on your risk ie if the cheque payer defaults you have to pay for the goods. Alternatively ring the credit card checkline and they'll take card payments..except you have to use your own phone that costs money.
Rather unsurprisingly I'm reluctant to take anything but cash payments and have put my notice to quit in. It pays such a trivial amount for the work you put in...and with this on top - just not worth the hassle.
I got excited by the 'big week' where for every £30 over your target you'd get £6 and a stamp ( this is a co-ordinator's bonus of a supermarket saving stamp paid out 2nd to last week in December each year). I managed more than £120 of my weekly £125 target and was expecting a decent cash effort for this week. NO, didn't happen, the £6 bonus was only an example that if I'd made £30 over the target I would achieve £6 in commission. Since commission is 20% on the products, it was what you'd achieve whatever was bought.
Today I also got told that cheques were now not suitable payment - even though all the brochures have been going out with cheques as payment on order forms. Now it's accept cheques on your risk ie if the cheque payer defaults you have to pay for the goods. Alternatively ring the credit card checkline and they'll take card payments..except you have to use your own phone that costs money.
Rather unsurprisingly I'm reluctant to take anything but cash payments and have put my notice to quit in. It pays such a trivial amount for the work you put in...and with this on top - just not worth the hassle.
Found this "debate" by accident, while looking for something else. We did joined Kleeneze in 2009, after living in UK for two years and a bit. Me and my wife were involved in Multilevel Marketing before in Poland, where we are from.
We never heard about Kleeneze before, but when we found an ad on fish4jobs,were curious if this is going to work. So we tried. But before we tried, I checked the internet and found out a lot of people dissing, cursing, throwing all possible derogatory names on this company, and then I also found people praising it to highest heavens.
Now, I decided, that I am going to try it out, and for me it works. For some others, it will never work. Because they will only see the "negative" reasons why, and will complain all the time, and will do it so proffesionally as only some English people do.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who look for every possible excuse why it is not going to work, and those who will look for every possible way to make it work.
There is no reason to get nasty toward each other. If someone doesn't understand the way this business work, they might never do, and will forever believe that the only way to make money is work for a big fat boss, who pays us a pittance.
So be it. In Poland, where I come from we have this saying that "some are like the gardeners dog, it will not eat apples and will not let others eat". So true...
I am not afraid to advertise my own Kleeneze business, cause I know it works, for me and it can work for others. Is it easy? not always. We do loose catalogues, to rain, or people who throw them away, we do get the returns of the products, we get tired, wet etc.
So what? How it is relevant? If I am working as a driver and get a flat tire do I quit immidiately? no, silly boy.... that would be stupid.
However it is possible to get good income in this business...
here is an interesting video from Youtube that explains the MLM to others.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZiw15VgWoI
... it explains itself.
By the way Kleeneze doesn't work... it's people work with it that makes it tick....
but unfortunately some people are too thick to get it....
no offence.... some will forever be intelectually challenged....
(.... oops, probably made some enemies here.... ;-) )
We never heard about Kleeneze before, but when we found an ad on fish4jobs,were curious if this is going to work. So we tried. But before we tried, I checked the internet and found out a lot of people dissing, cursing, throwing all possible derogatory names on this company, and then I also found people praising it to highest heavens.
Now, I decided, that I am going to try it out, and for me it works. For some others, it will never work. Because they will only see the "negative" reasons why, and will complain all the time, and will do it so proffesionally as only some English people do.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who look for every possible excuse why it is not going to work, and those who will look for every possible way to make it work.
There is no reason to get nasty toward each other. If someone doesn't understand the way this business work, they might never do, and will forever believe that the only way to make money is work for a big fat boss, who pays us a pittance.
So be it. In Poland, where I come from we have this saying that "some are like the gardeners dog, it will not eat apples and will not let others eat". So true...
I am not afraid to advertise my own Kleeneze business, cause I know it works, for me and it can work for others. Is it easy? not always. We do loose catalogues, to rain, or people who throw them away, we do get the returns of the products, we get tired, wet etc.
So what? How it is relevant? If I am working as a driver and get a flat tire do I quit immidiately? no, silly boy.... that would be stupid.
However it is possible to get good income in this business...
here is an interesting video from Youtube that explains the MLM to others.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZiw15VgWoI
... it explains itself.
By the way Kleeneze doesn't work... it's people work with it that makes it tick....
but unfortunately some people are too thick to get it....
no offence.... some will forever be intelectually challenged....
(.... oops, probably made some enemies here.... ;-) )
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