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It can work. Ive done it in the past...whilst at the same time doing my normal fulltime job, another job doing deliveries and drops and managing my tennants.
You need to be organised, know your area and know your customers.
It can be a pain in the arse some weeks, good some other weeks or just plod along. Will it make you rich? Not really, but it can bring you in an extra £100 or so per week. Depends how much you want that dosh.
You need to be organised, know your area and know your customers.
It can be a pain in the arse some weeks, good some other weeks or just plod along. Will it make you rich? Not really, but it can bring you in an extra £100 or so per week. Depends how much you want that dosh.
Im doing kleeneze as people have said it works just depends on how much your going to put into it.as for the cars the reps drive most of them are what people class as a work car using your pride and joy to go up and down kerbs all day isnt gunna last long.mind you could be the mini thats stickerd the one that you get free when you hit a level.
I've just found this thread I posted on some years back now just by luck and I'm a little curious as to if anyone is still around that commented, and how they are doing? I genuinely hope the economic devastation of the last few years have not been too hard. I stuck with Kleeneze thankfully and now earn the equivalent of around £40k per year. With only about £10k being generated by my own catalogue orders the rest from managing the team. Running meetings, training and helping them achieve their own goals ( they earn between 15% and 45% mark up Kleeneze pay me 4% to 7% of the team turnover) if they earn nothing then I don't! I'm full time in my business and have also qualified for over £30k of free international travel including, Cyprus, Cape Town and Miami. We have also been featured in many press articles here is one of them
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/shopping/...
Last year we helped 5 people to qualify for a trip to Dubai too. Contrary to comments on me just willy waving im not trying to recruit anyone in this post and I've also learnt a lot too and in hindsight would not have made my original post here. I just thought that it may encourage someone to strike out and go for it if they ever consider self employment of any kind as the one thing that the last 8 years has taught me is that jobs really do seem to have had their day. A real business can take years of hard work to put into place and the build up can indeed be slow. However it's so worth it. I've had 2 years of bad health recently and not been able to work full time however the work put in has continued to pay me and included a three month spell in a wheel chair and 1 month flat on my back and my income increased whilst I was off.
Over this 8 year period much of it working 7 says per week I've been discouraged by friends, family and ridiculed, some out concern others from jealousy or just plain nastiness. This is also common when people strike out and try to buck the "proper job " route. Kleeneze like all network marketing businesses is not owning your own job its owning a business. That's a different thing and takes 3 to 5 years on average to get to a point you can really see the rewards. It's not for everyone I understand. So as I said if you do ever start a business give it time, don't ever listen to people who have not achieved what you are trying to achieve the way you have chosen to achieve it. I've also come to realise how ridiculous the claims of successful Kleeneze distributors sound to people and tend to under sell it rather than over sell it. However at the end of the day if people don't believe it I now just say " that's fine however you must appreciate that that does not make it untrue it just means that you don't believe it" and don't get involved in any further arguments.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/shopping/...
Last year we helped 5 people to qualify for a trip to Dubai too. Contrary to comments on me just willy waving im not trying to recruit anyone in this post and I've also learnt a lot too and in hindsight would not have made my original post here. I just thought that it may encourage someone to strike out and go for it if they ever consider self employment of any kind as the one thing that the last 8 years has taught me is that jobs really do seem to have had their day. A real business can take years of hard work to put into place and the build up can indeed be slow. However it's so worth it. I've had 2 years of bad health recently and not been able to work full time however the work put in has continued to pay me and included a three month spell in a wheel chair and 1 month flat on my back and my income increased whilst I was off.
Over this 8 year period much of it working 7 says per week I've been discouraged by friends, family and ridiculed, some out concern others from jealousy or just plain nastiness. This is also common when people strike out and try to buck the "proper job " route. Kleeneze like all network marketing businesses is not owning your own job its owning a business. That's a different thing and takes 3 to 5 years on average to get to a point you can really see the rewards. It's not for everyone I understand. So as I said if you do ever start a business give it time, don't ever listen to people who have not achieved what you are trying to achieve the way you have chosen to achieve it. I've also come to realise how ridiculous the claims of successful Kleeneze distributors sound to people and tend to under sell it rather than over sell it. However at the end of the day if people don't believe it I now just say " that's fine however you must appreciate that that does not make it untrue it just means that you don't believe it" and don't get involved in any further arguments.
I personally don't like the MLM model. Through work I have had reason to speak to/meet with several of these businesses recently and I've not been impressed.
I don't like the selling to friends/family idea. I wouldn't want my friends selling to me.
I don't like the idea of being reliant on others to such an extent, when so many fail.
We did some business with a guy who offered three such 'opportunities'. After our part was complete I went to meet him to collect a cheque. In a supermarket cafe (his choice). He then took the opportunity to explain why I should definitely be doing one or more of these schemes; residual income; work less; retirement bla bla. I had to play along as at this point I didn't have the cheque.
After 45mins it turned out he didn't have the cheque, he had got me there under pretence of payment to try to recruit me. A guy at 57 basically begging me to at least try out the service as a customer as it would help him out. Talking about £50k/m and all the rest whilst sitting in Morrison's in a jumper last seen in 1987. Desperate. I should have billed him for another hour of my time.
I've seen it before with others. They sell the opportunity, people get involved and get quite evangelical about it (as seen on this thread). From what I've seen a lot of people who would never start their own business get sucked in and are doomed to fail. As with anything else sales it's a numbers game and most fall by the wayside not realising how hard it is to make it. I've seen a girl, unemployed and single parent to two children (one disabled) sell everything she had to go to the US for a launch event. She didn't have a f
king clue, but was completely brainwashed by her upliner. The site in question is so extensive/has so many offshoots I can't find any reference to her but I'd be surprised if she's made £100 this year (if she's even still involved).
There are easier ways to residual income than this sort of bks. The Richest Man in Babylon didn't speak of pyramid pish. Alternatively if you think 6% every month for 120 months is likely then you might want this http://www.currencysurfing.com/thechallenge.html
I don't like the selling to friends/family idea. I wouldn't want my friends selling to me.
I don't like the idea of being reliant on others to such an extent, when so many fail.
We did some business with a guy who offered three such 'opportunities'. After our part was complete I went to meet him to collect a cheque. In a supermarket cafe (his choice). He then took the opportunity to explain why I should definitely be doing one or more of these schemes; residual income; work less; retirement bla bla. I had to play along as at this point I didn't have the cheque.
After 45mins it turned out he didn't have the cheque, he had got me there under pretence of payment to try to recruit me. A guy at 57 basically begging me to at least try out the service as a customer as it would help him out. Talking about £50k/m and all the rest whilst sitting in Morrison's in a jumper last seen in 1987. Desperate. I should have billed him for another hour of my time.
I've seen it before with others. They sell the opportunity, people get involved and get quite evangelical about it (as seen on this thread). From what I've seen a lot of people who would never start their own business get sucked in and are doomed to fail. As with anything else sales it's a numbers game and most fall by the wayside not realising how hard it is to make it. I've seen a girl, unemployed and single parent to two children (one disabled) sell everything she had to go to the US for a launch event. She didn't have a f
king clue, but was completely brainwashed by her upliner. The site in question is so extensive/has so many offshoots I can't find any reference to her but I'd be surprised if she's made £100 this year (if she's even still involved).There are easier ways to residual income than this sort of b
ks. The Richest Man in Babylon didn't speak of pyramid pish. Alternatively if you think 6% every month for 120 months is likely then you might want this http://www.currencysurfing.com/thechallenge.htmlWe did buy some bits from kleeneeze this month...
Always been tempted, and swmbo did some extra shifts and raised a fair bit of coin so we got the steering fixed on her car, and spent £15 on a hob scraper, drain unblocker gel and a venitian blind cleaner
And I'm impressed! All works really well, hib scraper is a proper* metal affair, with a spare blade.
We do have 2 distributers though. One is a nice chap, who I had a conversation with whilst doing the brakes on my car, been doing it for years, says its not too bad.
So when the book came, we filled out the form and left it out. He knocked on the door a day or so later, swmbo answered and he asked why we bad filled out someone's form. Swmbo looked and there was a different name in. Chap explained that she was new, and had stolen a fair bit of business from him. Swmbo sympathised, copied the order onto his form and said we would look more closely next time and only order from him.
Will buy more from them, I've always looked at the books over breakfast and some of the stuff looks cool, although a lot of it I look at and know its cheaper from b&m, asda etc. But some is a bit unique, and I'd only waste it on Hoovers or similar...
Always been tempted, and swmbo did some extra shifts and raised a fair bit of coin so we got the steering fixed on her car, and spent £15 on a hob scraper, drain unblocker gel and a venitian blind cleaner
And I'm impressed! All works really well, hib scraper is a proper* metal affair, with a spare blade.
We do have 2 distributers though. One is a nice chap, who I had a conversation with whilst doing the brakes on my car, been doing it for years, says its not too bad.
So when the book came, we filled out the form and left it out. He knocked on the door a day or so later, swmbo answered and he asked why we bad filled out someone's form. Swmbo looked and there was a different name in. Chap explained that she was new, and had stolen a fair bit of business from him. Swmbo sympathised, copied the order onto his form and said we would look more closely next time and only order from him.
Will buy more from them, I've always looked at the books over breakfast and some of the stuff looks cool, although a lot of it I look at and know its cheaper from b&m, asda etc. But some is a bit unique, and I'd only waste it on Hoovers or similar...
Tim Pace said:
I've just found this thread I posted on some years back now just by luck and I'm a little curious as to if anyone is still around that commented, and how they are doing? I genuinely hope the economic devastation of the last few years have not been too hard. I stuck with Kleeneze thankfully and now earn the equivalent of around £40k per year.
How do you earn the equivalent of #40k PA? Surely you either earn £40k or you dont? Where does an equivalency come into it?Serious question, how do you get finance for houses cars etc? I was under the impression that if you declared Amway, Betaware etc it was fairly similar to having a CCJ on your credit file? Is that why all the people doign betaware/ Amway/ Kleeneze drive Montegos?
Edited by nikaiyo2 on Saturday 4th October 23:31
Firstly I agree that family and friend selling is a no no and if it was required in Kleeneze I would not be part of it. As it is we have no need as generating real customers is not a problem for us. As a general rule it's only worth considering a business opportunity that's regulated by the UK DSA (direct selling association) as it ensures it's legal and complies with all UK laws. Also to look at the history of the company. Kleeneze is UK owned and 91 years old in all that time it has never posted a loss.
Like many jobs when a total income figure is quoted it's only fair to include the value of the package. Kleeneze comes with many additional bonuses like travel and car schemes etc.
When we started out like most businesses more hours are required however now it's much less I would say around 25 is an average. In fact because we did initially put loads of effort in some months we earn up to £1,500 regardless of if we work or not, just like any real business owner that's created a company. It's an independent income not linked directly to your own time input. The longer you stick at it the more people you help earn their chosen income the more you earn. The growth is exponential so when you find and trainin other people to become team leaders the growth of your business realy motors. Developing leaders is a key part of what I now do. This then increases growth and frees up your time as you then primarily deal with these team leaders who in turn run their teams and their own leaders who all stay part of the turnover that Kleeneze Base my monthly income on. So the key is to teach teachers to teach people how to teach. In fact teachers make brilliant team leaders and it's hardly surprising that Kleeneze top earner is an ex teacher on over £35k per month. And there are more than just him earning this kind of income. ( All proovable) as it's illegal in our industry to make false income claims.
This income does not stop at a given age it carries on into retirement thus providing a good pension scheme too. At this point you can add your son or daughter to your business so when you die you pass on the business you have built. Last time I checked when you retire or die In most cases your income stops and all those years of work count for nothing.
A photo of a pyramid! Not seen that for some years now and only from older people generally. Pyramid scams are illegal in the UK and come with jail terms,and heavy fines this has thankfully seen the end to most of them. There is no comparison between network marketing and illegal pyramid scams Richard Branson and Donald trump also own network marketing businesses as part of their portfolio in fact Richard Branson tried to buy Kleeneze at one stage however they do crop up from time to time but are quickly dealt with by the authorities. The DSA and OFT websites contain detailed descriptions on how to spot one and report it. In reality most traditional businesses operate models more like pyramids. Most have a CEO OR or owner at the top, the next layer contains say 2 directors below that let's say 4 managers, then 8 department heads, below them the layers continue to add numbers that make the traditional pyramid picture. The guy at the top earns more than his 2 directors who earn more than the 4 managers etc until we get to the often minimum wage workers at the bottom. There is seldom any chance of people rising to the top and never any chance of them earning more than the guys above them. There is now also a recognised qualification in network marketing that is run by a few colleges in the UK. These are increasing in number and I believe are soon to be offered as a study from home course. Have you heard of the population "for dummies" range of text books like"microsoft office for dummies"? Well you can now buy " Network marketing for dummies" Amazon stock it too.
The opposite is true in Kleeneze it is possible to earn more than the guy who recruited you to his team if you work harder. In fact I earn about 3 times the income of the guy who recruited me. Because I've done more work, isn't that a fairer system?
Any further explanation would just be impossible here and still understandable without diagrams and mathematical proof and examples.
Sounds crap doesn't it I know I agree, in fact if it had not actually happened to me I'd probably think the same too.
Like many jobs when a total income figure is quoted it's only fair to include the value of the package. Kleeneze comes with many additional bonuses like travel and car schemes etc.
When we started out like most businesses more hours are required however now it's much less I would say around 25 is an average. In fact because we did initially put loads of effort in some months we earn up to £1,500 regardless of if we work or not, just like any real business owner that's created a company. It's an independent income not linked directly to your own time input. The longer you stick at it the more people you help earn their chosen income the more you earn. The growth is exponential so when you find and trainin other people to become team leaders the growth of your business realy motors. Developing leaders is a key part of what I now do. This then increases growth and frees up your time as you then primarily deal with these team leaders who in turn run their teams and their own leaders who all stay part of the turnover that Kleeneze Base my monthly income on. So the key is to teach teachers to teach people how to teach. In fact teachers make brilliant team leaders and it's hardly surprising that Kleeneze top earner is an ex teacher on over £35k per month. And there are more than just him earning this kind of income. ( All proovable) as it's illegal in our industry to make false income claims.
This income does not stop at a given age it carries on into retirement thus providing a good pension scheme too. At this point you can add your son or daughter to your business so when you die you pass on the business you have built. Last time I checked when you retire or die In most cases your income stops and all those years of work count for nothing.
A photo of a pyramid! Not seen that for some years now and only from older people generally. Pyramid scams are illegal in the UK and come with jail terms,and heavy fines this has thankfully seen the end to most of them. There is no comparison between network marketing and illegal pyramid scams Richard Branson and Donald trump also own network marketing businesses as part of their portfolio in fact Richard Branson tried to buy Kleeneze at one stage however they do crop up from time to time but are quickly dealt with by the authorities. The DSA and OFT websites contain detailed descriptions on how to spot one and report it. In reality most traditional businesses operate models more like pyramids. Most have a CEO OR or owner at the top, the next layer contains say 2 directors below that let's say 4 managers, then 8 department heads, below them the layers continue to add numbers that make the traditional pyramid picture. The guy at the top earns more than his 2 directors who earn more than the 4 managers etc until we get to the often minimum wage workers at the bottom. There is seldom any chance of people rising to the top and never any chance of them earning more than the guys above them. There is now also a recognised qualification in network marketing that is run by a few colleges in the UK. These are increasing in number and I believe are soon to be offered as a study from home course. Have you heard of the population "for dummies" range of text books like"microsoft office for dummies"? Well you can now buy " Network marketing for dummies" Amazon stock it too.
The opposite is true in Kleeneze it is possible to earn more than the guy who recruited you to his team if you work harder. In fact I earn about 3 times the income of the guy who recruited me. Because I've done more work, isn't that a fairer system?
Any further explanation would just be impossible here and still understandable without diagrams and mathematical proof and examples.
Sounds crap doesn't it I know I agree, in fact if it had not actually happened to me I'd probably think the same too.
nikaiyo2 said:
How do you earn the equivalent of #40k PA? Surely you either earn £40k or you dont? Where does an equivalency come into it?
Serious question, how do you get finance for houses cars etc? I was under the impression that if you declared Amway, Betaware etc it was fairly similar to having a CCJ on your credit file? Is that why all the people doign betaware/ Amway/ Kleeneze drive Montegos?
What hours are worked to make £40k a year? Not a fan of people quoting yearly amounts as it can be skewed some what. £40k a year working a 10 hour week, where do I sign up, £40k a year working a 32 hour week hmmm not that great, £40k a year working a 45+ hour week no chance. Serious question, how do you get finance for houses cars etc? I was under the impression that if you declared Amway, Betaware etc it was fairly similar to having a CCJ on your credit file? Is that why all the people doign betaware/ Amway/ Kleeneze drive Montegos?
Edited by nikaiyo2 on Saturday 4th October 23:31
sorry if I have missed this info in your posts.
Edited by megapixels83 on Sunday 5th October 13:42
Tim Pace said:
A photo of a pyramid! Not seen that for some years now and only from older people generally. Pyramid scams are illegal in the UK and come with jail terms,and heavy fines this has thankfully seen the end to most of them. There is no comparison between network marketing and illegal pyramid scams Richard Branson and Donald trump also own network marketing businesses as part of their portfolio in fact Richard Branson tried to buy Kleeneze at one stage however they do crop up from time to time but are quickly dealt with by the authorities. The DSA and OFT websites contain detailed descriptions on how to spot one and report it. In reality most traditional businesses operate models more like pyramids. Most have a CEO OR or owner at the top, the next layer contains say 2 directors below that let's say 4 managers, then 8 department heads, below them the layers continue to add numbers that make the traditional pyramid picture. The guy at the top earns more than his 2 directors who earn more than the 4 managers etc until we get to the often minimum wage workers at the bottom. There is seldom any chance of people rising to the top and never any chance of them earning more than the guys above them. There is now also a recognised qualification in network marketing that is run by a few colleges in the UK. These are increasing in number and I believe are soon to be offered as a study from home course. Have you heard of the population "for dummies" range of text books like"microsoft office for dummies"? Well you can now buy " Network marketing for dummies" Amazon stock it too.
Edited by iphonedyou on Sunday 5th October 22:54
Hi I have covered this however on average I work around 25 hrs per week now. But for around the first 4 years I worked flat out to put this thing together. However the income is rising due to the nature of it almost independently of my efforts. Eventually I will be able to reduce this even further as more leaders are developed in my team. The best way I heard it described is this. In the early years you invest a lot of time you don't get paid for however there comes a point you get paid a lot for the hours you don't do. Unlike a scam we don't claim it to be a get rich quick scheme. It's a 91 year old proven business like any other really it takes time to put in place, unless you only need a smaller part time income of say £200 to £400 per month to top up a main job then that's relatively quick and simple to achieve. I would say around 95% of the people in our team fall into this category. Eventually achieved just short of £400 in our first 4 weeks for about 60 hrs part time work. At that point I was running my own financial services business. In fact i never worked more than 15 hrs per week for the first 18 months. However at that time it had risen to around £1,300 per month. At that time I decided to close my old business and concentrate on Kleeneze. The month after I took it to £2k however I was still retailing quite heavily. As the team turnover an bonus payments increased my own retailing slowed down to free up more time to support the team. At the moment I'm not working at all due to recovering from an operation however I'm still getting paid because my own retail is such a very small part of the whole turnover.
That's the difference between working for yourself and owning a business. If I were a self employed fitter or choppy, or plumber if I stopped work the income would stop. A business carries on without you to a certain point. That's why it's worth all the early effort. That's why so many professional people join Kleeneze they tend to see the bigger picture we have accountants, teachers, policemen, company directors, computer programmers, in the business, not because they need £400 per month and desire to deliver and collect catalogues but because they see the advantage of a large residual pension pot or desire more time with the family. They are prepared to work more hours now to free up time long term. Here is a short video I often use to explain it, unfortunately it's American but it does a good job of explaining things. You will see that a time investment is needed and it's not a way to become an instant millionaire. They sadly don't exist or work. There is only one way I know apart from winning the lottery to make money and that's by working very Hard.
http://youtu.be/DtOoKM08KLg
That's the difference between working for yourself and owning a business. If I were a self employed fitter or choppy, or plumber if I stopped work the income would stop. A business carries on without you to a certain point. That's why it's worth all the early effort. That's why so many professional people join Kleeneze they tend to see the bigger picture we have accountants, teachers, policemen, company directors, computer programmers, in the business, not because they need £400 per month and desire to deliver and collect catalogues but because they see the advantage of a large residual pension pot or desire more time with the family. They are prepared to work more hours now to free up time long term. Here is a short video I often use to explain it, unfortunately it's American but it does a good job of explaining things. You will see that a time investment is needed and it's not a way to become an instant millionaire. They sadly don't exist or work. There is only one way I know apart from winning the lottery to make money and that's by working very Hard.
http://youtu.be/DtOoKM08KLg
I fully understand the structure of both business and the flow of value through any type of business however I was not referencing the cash flow only the management structure. A traditional business does not generate cash through its structure however it's marketing system would. Value of time however may if you consider staff as an asset but not as a liability which way you choose to view them is up for debate. My Brother is a cost accountant of an international company and he tells me that staff are definitely a cost and one to be kept to a minimum.
However one interesting point is that one of the ways a pyramid scam is destined to failure is it has no cash value flowing through it. Unless the distributors buy the products ( and in most they do with unfortunately some sucker left stuck with them as he cannot sell them as the retail markup increases to such a point they cannot be sold. However a network marketing business has. Kleeneze has real end of the chain customers that buy millions of pounds worth of goods each year, just like any other retailers business., although it has less points to pass through because every point has a profit cut to be creamed off. In fact Kleeneze pays 50% of the cash generated back to us ( the distribution and marketing network) to fund our profit and bonus scheme. The only time a mark up is applied is when it's passed to a customer, because the goods are paid for and delivered to each independent distributor directly by Kleeneze. And we all pay the same price, unlike a pyramid scam were the price often increases as one fool sells it to another even bigger fool. In Kleeneze The distributor does not pay for them until the goods are delivered and paid for by his customer. Kleeneze are just the distribution company we build the networks and deliver the products.
However one interesting point is that one of the ways a pyramid scam is destined to failure is it has no cash value flowing through it. Unless the distributors buy the products ( and in most they do with unfortunately some sucker left stuck with them as he cannot sell them as the retail markup increases to such a point they cannot be sold. However a network marketing business has. Kleeneze has real end of the chain customers that buy millions of pounds worth of goods each year, just like any other retailers business., although it has less points to pass through because every point has a profit cut to be creamed off. In fact Kleeneze pays 50% of the cash generated back to us ( the distribution and marketing network) to fund our profit and bonus scheme. The only time a mark up is applied is when it's passed to a customer, because the goods are paid for and delivered to each independent distributor directly by Kleeneze. And we all pay the same price, unlike a pyramid scam were the price often increases as one fool sells it to another even bigger fool. In Kleeneze The distributor does not pay for them until the goods are delivered and paid for by his customer. Kleeneze are just the distribution company we build the networks and deliver the products.
Still don't get the I worked flat out for 4 years to get equivalent of £40k a year. you either get that much or don't.
If you were that way inclined you could be running a business for yourself earning a lot more.
I put in a lot of time and effort into my company as a 2nd job and on average we are making high 4 figures profit per month, on top of my day job, thats after having it properly up and running as of March this year... its not all fun and games as we only have 6 months a year were we can make good money and then the hard work begins again with resellers.
For the amount of work you have put in, it doesn't seem like much of a return at all, do you not wish you had done your own company and your own business?
If you were that way inclined you could be running a business for yourself earning a lot more.
I put in a lot of time and effort into my company as a 2nd job and on average we are making high 4 figures profit per month, on top of my day job, thats after having it properly up and running as of March this year... its not all fun and games as we only have 6 months a year were we can make good money and then the hard work begins again with resellers.
For the amount of work you have put in, it doesn't seem like much of a return at all, do you not wish you had done your own company and your own business?
Du1point8 said:
Still don't get the I worked flat out for 4 years to get equivalent of £40k a year. you either get that much or don't.
If you were that way inclined you could be running a business for yourself earning a lot more.
I put in a lot of time and effort into my company as a 2nd job and on average we are making high 4 figures profit per month, on top of my day job, thats after having it properly up and running as of March this year... its not all fun and games as we only have 6 months a year were we can make good money and then the hard work begins again with resellers.
For the amount of work you have put in, it doesn't seem like much of a return at all, do you not wish you had done your own company and your own business?
It's obvious that we are just not connecting here I am running a business of my own, over the 7 years I've had free holidays that have a monetary value. Perhapse it would make more sense this way it cost me £140 to start my business I have never since that day invested 1penny more of my own money Instead I've invested time, I have no staff hold no stock, no premises. I could stop work now and my income would continue to grow. It is not dependent on my time input any more. I continue to work because I've not yet finished when that figure reaches about £100k per year I will stop. But it will still continue to grow without me. I consider it one he'll of a return for £140. The other thing is at the beginning of each year my business does not return to Zero the it resets to whatever it was last year thecwork stays done. Firstly it's all repeat business secondly the team has grown from last year so effectively we have more retail outlets. Just this weekend 4 new distributors have joined which effectively means 4 new branches, no cost to me, no time input at all. Every other day I just open up my tracking system and see lists of names with order volumes next to them. Once you get to a certain stage which is what takes the time the amount of new distributors joining and the growth in resulting turnover is faster than the amount leaving. Every year if structured properly it grows exponentialy and even if I quit and moved to Italy the income would still keep growing. Just because I decide to slow down it will not effect my team most of them I've never even met. I leave them down to the team leader I do deal with to manage. For every 30 distributors in my team I have around 2 team leaders. When there are enough team leaders I can retire with a still growing income. If you were that way inclined you could be running a business for yourself earning a lot more.
I put in a lot of time and effort into my company as a 2nd job and on average we are making high 4 figures profit per month, on top of my day job, thats after having it properly up and running as of March this year... its not all fun and games as we only have 6 months a year were we can make good money and then the hard work begins again with resellers.
For the amount of work you have put in, it doesn't seem like much of a return at all, do you not wish you had done your own company and your own business?
a very good return on my original £140 I think.
Here is a slightly more detailed example it only uses simple figures in reality however like most things it works differently some choose to do more some less, but the key is to find some people who decide to build their own teams. I grasped this and not having the means to invest in a traditional business and did not want the hassle to be honest and certainly was not prepared to take the risk of remortgaging to raise venture capital or buy stock and certainly had no skill like being a plumber or indeed any practical skill to use decided that it offered me the chance to build a business so I took it.
http://youtu.be/ALDcxtWPt1o
Incidentally the guy speaking is Rob Foster an ex shipyard worker who has earned £30k plus per month from Kleeneze for many years. There is loads of stuff on Google about him. Including press articles and radio interviews. I've already gone much further than I intended to be honest on here with this. The info I've posted is only to answer the questions and points raised, I have nothing else to add realy. It's not that difficult to grasp. It's believing it that's the hard part. And like I said if it had not happened to me I think I would struggle to belive most of it. So I've no intention of arguing or convincing anyone. BTW congratulations on your personal success what line of business are you in?
All that jazz said:
Sounds like a load of old cock to me.
Well that's not quite the words I had in mind but as I said I understand why you would think that even though there is so much evidence out there, like I said just because you choose to not believe it does not mean it's not true. It just means for whatever reason you don't. My own brother refuses to even though he has seen me achieve it and tried to talk me out of it years ago. In an argument i once had with him when he spent 22 months out of work and I told him if he had joined me that perhapse about £1k part time per month would have come in handy he admitted he resented the fact he was wrong and hated that. I remember the reporter who interviewd me on radio said, problem is it is so far outside the box it's not even in the same room for most people.
I don't believe a word of what you'd said in this entire topic. Just give it up fella, you're wasting your time here. You may fool the kind of gullible people you find on sites like MSE but in general most of us on here are pretty intelligent and we can see straight through your bullst. No amount of posting trying to convince us otherwise will make a jot of different so just give it up and move on to the next forum in your list. 
t. No amount of posting trying to convince us otherwise will make a jot of different so just give it up and move on to the next forum in your list. 
All that jazz said:
I don't believe a word of what you'd said in this entire topic. Just give it up fella, you're wasting your time here. You may fool the kind of gullible people you find on sites like MSE but in general most of us on here are pretty intelligent and we can see straight through your bullst. No amount of posting trying to convince us otherwise will make a jot of different so just give it up and move on to the next forum in your list.
What a charming man thank you, like I said your belief or not is your prerogative. I don't believe in God but that don't mean he don't exist. I don't post in forums anymore I learnt the hard way. But thanks for your eloquent imput on the subject. t. No amount of posting trying to convince us otherwise will make a jot of different so just give it up and move on to the next forum in your list. Gassing Station | Jobs & Employment Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff