1M - Is it the 'new' M3. Discuss!
Discussion
Mermaid said:
Beardy10 said:
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Ifthe next gen M3 shaves 100 to 150kg off it's weight so it's nearly back to E46 weight and comes with something like a 400bhp forced induction engine that'll be quite a car and the 1 series won't get near it.
How likely is the weight reduction? But I follow your drift. The 1M should be compared to the E46 M3CS.Ifthe next gen M3 shaves 100 to 150kg off it's weight so it's nearly back to E46 weight and comes with something like a 400bhp forced induction engine that'll be quite a car and the 1 series won't get near it.
Very jealous of those lucky enough to have picked up their 1M's recently. A friend of mine has one in black and its looks awesome parked next to his CSL.
I can't wait to see the resale values in a year. I think they will stay reasonably strong due to the limited production and the hype around the car.
I paid £37K for my facelift 59 plate 135i in AW with pretty much all the options. I was offered £18K for it with 34k on the clock a few months ago
I can't wait to see the resale values in a year. I think they will stay reasonably strong due to the limited production and the hype around the car.
I paid £37K for my facelift 59 plate 135i in AW with pretty much all the options. I was offered £18K for it with 34k on the clock a few months ago
The 1m at 1500kg is not a light car compared to a cayman at 1340kg or the r at 1300kg but it is the lightest car on offer from bmw with the m badge now.The 1m is 7 seconds slower around the ring than the manual m3 with no edc.At hockenheim the times were nearly identical in the latest test but in a previous test the m3 did a 1.14.00 so only tenths in it.The short circuit does not allow the m3 to stretch its legs and use the extra power so the test makes perfect sense.The ring is a mix of very fast and slow sections so this makes sense for the difference around there too.
As far as modififying goes then yes you can get the 1m upto 380 to 400 bhp but it wont be as cheap as some people think with exhaust systems and remaps.The m3 with back box and remap is 440bhp and some people claim more.For 5k you can get 500 to 520 bhp from the m3 so where do you stop?
The next 1 series will have another m version with dct and more power and maybe less weight and i would be seriously tempted at something along those lines.The new m5 is at least 55bhp more and the next m3 will have more power etc etc so its just progress.Weight on the other hand is not progress for sports cars and so the 1 series size and weight saving options coild offer some serious options in the future with a csl option maybe with 1400kg or less.In the next few weeks the last throw of the dice edition for the m3 will be announced with all specs,but looks like a four door which is not for me but should be interesting.
As far as modififying goes then yes you can get the 1m upto 380 to 400 bhp but it wont be as cheap as some people think with exhaust systems and remaps.The m3 with back box and remap is 440bhp and some people claim more.For 5k you can get 500 to 520 bhp from the m3 so where do you stop?
The next 1 series will have another m version with dct and more power and maybe less weight and i would be seriously tempted at something along those lines.The new m5 is at least 55bhp more and the next m3 will have more power etc etc so its just progress.Weight on the other hand is not progress for sports cars and so the 1 series size and weight saving options coild offer some serious options in the future with a csl option maybe with 1400kg or less.In the next few weeks the last throw of the dice edition for the m3 will be announced with all specs,but looks like a four door which is not for me but should be interesting.
Pugsey said:
Have BMW pulled a flanker on us. Many people (me included) who buy and run M3s wouldn't look at an M5 - not because of price but because it isn't our sort of car. Too big and heavy - an awesome 'GT' really - and not the lighter more 'sportng car we're looking for. BUT having now spent time in a 1M and then had a refresher in an M3, that car (the M3) looks overly large/heavy and luxurious. To me it has become an M5! The 1m is as fast as the M3 on track - same times in EVO's test and actually faster round Hockenheim - and I think a fair bit faster most of the time in the real world of road driving thanks to monster torque and killer in gear times plus it's size. It's also more immediate 'fun' more of the time.
M3? Still a simply awesome car but to me it's now moved up into the M5 bracket. the 1M is my new M3. Didn't see that one coming! Clever old BMW...............
Are you still planning on using it as a track car?M3? Still a simply awesome car but to me it's now moved up into the M5 bracket. the 1M is my new M3. Didn't see that one coming! Clever old BMW...............
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/news/default.asp?stor...
NoelWatson said:
Pugsey said:
Have BMW pulled a flanker on us. Many people (me included) who buy and run M3s wouldn't look at an M5 - not because of price but because it isn't our sort of car. Too big and heavy - an awesome 'GT' really - and not the lighter more 'sportng car we're looking for. BUT having now spent time in a 1M and then had a refresher in an M3, that car (the M3) looks overly large/heavy and luxurious. To me it has become an M5! The 1m is as fast as the M3 on track - same times in EVO's test and actually faster round Hockenheim - and I think a fair bit faster most of the time in the real world of road driving thanks to monster torque and killer in gear times plus it's size. It's also more immediate 'fun' more of the time.
M3? Still a simply awesome car but to me it's now moved up into the M5 bracket. the 1M is my new M3. Didn't see that one coming! Clever old BMW...............
Are you still planning on using it as a track car?M3? Still a simply awesome car but to me it's now moved up into the M5 bracket. the 1M is my new M3. Didn't see that one coming! Clever old BMW...............
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/news/default.asp?stor...
///Mike said:
I paid £37K for my facelift 59 plate 135i in AW with pretty much all the options. I was offered £18K for it with 34k on the clock a few months ago
That's what my 'most options' 135i cost, that I've just taken delivery of today 
But, that's a bit grim about the trade-in offer though.....
I'm just going to enjoy the car though, to hell with it....
I maybe tempted by the next gen 1M (or M2 if that's what it ends up being) in 4-5 years time though depending how things pan out.
NoelWatson said:
Pugsey said:
M3? Still a simply awesome car but to me it's now moved up into the M5 bracket. the 1M is my new M3. Didn't see that one coming! Clever old BMW...............
Are you still planning on using it as a track car?http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/news/default.asp?stor...
Back to topic, the differentiation between 1M and M3 may be more difficult next time round, with a turbo 6 cylinder M3.
Personally, as a happy M3 owner, I find the 1M lacks most of what charms me about the M3 - the glorious top end of the engine, the V8 noise, and the adjustability of the EDC making it cope ok as standard with a range of roles. Oh, and not least, the elegant looks.
Beardy10 said:
If the next gen M3 shaves 100 to 150kg off it's weight so it's nearly back to E46 weight and comes with something like a 400bhp forced induction engine that'll be quite a car and the 1 series won't get near it.
Beardy, you make some great points, but to compare the 1M against future unknowns is kinda pointless. Of course ///M are going to make the next M3 a 'better' car. 
Edited by breadvan on Saturday 28th May 22:35
waremark said:
With a Caterham and Radical (see Pugsey's fleet) he seems to be rather spoilt for track choice! However, I think he has said that the role of the 1M is to be pleasant to drive to and on the Ring, with suitable work to chassis and brakes.
I will have to refer back to the converations we had, but it seems like a lot of money to spend on something that isn't really suited to track work, maybe even after work to chassis and brakes.Edited by NoelWatson on Sunday 29th May 07:26
ArmaghMan said:
Yeah, those e30 m3's really have fallen off a depreciation cliff!! 0 miles unregd ones are only worth £80k and as for e46 csl values, well they're now down to 320d money (are'nt they?).
I have a suspicion that quite a few will be "put away" by guys who already have a collection. They're too small to run as a daily driver, and will be kept as Sunady drivers or track toys.
Good morning Mr sarcasticI have a suspicion that quite a few will be "put away" by guys who already have a collection. They're too small to run as a daily driver, and will be kept as Sunady drivers or track toys.
No ones talking about cars which have been put away as if it some le mans winning race car and kept for prosperity and if remember rightly the CSL was a disaster when it first came out, it took a long time for dealers to sell them and initially like all m cars their lost a heap of money, so the stupid 320d comparison is complete rubbish. Limited numbers will help the m1, there's a lot hype around this car at the moment. All this talk of the car being sold out is rubbish, dealers have just bought cars as demos and many will have the first owner as BMW, just as my MCar did, BMW always do this.
Im sure its going to be a fantastic car as a daily driver and a pleasure to own, but all this talk of a classic status and none available is premature and dealer hype
Edited by Porscheplayer on Sunday 29th May 09:03
^^ Exactly!
My local dealer has sold 3 1Ms and has 2 coming in on demo. Initially the sales guy told me they were all sold out long ago and it would be a high value, low depreciation asset for years to come. b
ks I thought, so I told him so. Quietly he said, 'OK its not sold as well as we'd hoped, but the prices / residuals will remain high'. This I agree with. I think what's happening with the 1M is that there will be a horde of people looking to be the 2nd owner.
They will be wanting to save a couple of grand on list price 6 months down the line, waiting for advice on the 'must have' options and best colour practicality. 1st owners will obviously take pride in that they were there first but they should also take comfort in that this car should sell even quicker second time round. Not because its destined to be a classic, but because its a bloody cool car.
Eddie
My local dealer has sold 3 1Ms and has 2 coming in on demo. Initially the sales guy told me they were all sold out long ago and it would be a high value, low depreciation asset for years to come. b
ks I thought, so I told him so. Quietly he said, 'OK its not sold as well as we'd hoped, but the prices / residuals will remain high'. This I agree with. I think what's happening with the 1M is that there will be a horde of people looking to be the 2nd owner. They will be wanting to save a couple of grand on list price 6 months down the line, waiting for advice on the 'must have' options and best colour practicality. 1st owners will obviously take pride in that they were there first but they should also take comfort in that this car should sell even quicker second time round. Not because its destined to be a classic, but because its a bloody cool car.
Eddie
NoelWatson said:
I will have to refer back to the converations we had, but it seems like a lot of money to spend on something that isn't really suited to track work, maybe even after work to chassis and brakes.
There are not many cars that are good around the track out of the showroom even a lot of exotica.The 1M with suspension and brakes will be a superb and fun track tool without a doubt.To have 4 seats and have such potential to make into a great allround road and track tool opens it up to a different market.Edited by NoelWatson on Sunday 29th May 07:26
The friend who picked up his 1M a few weeks ago has it booked into supersprint for an exhaust and kw for the suspension and then evolve for a remap in the next few weeks.To start with just uprated pads and hoses but probably brake kit at a later date,so cant wait to see the results around the ring.
Pugsey when are you planning the 1st ring trip??
Edited by griff7 on Sunday 29th May 11:53
breadvan said:
Beardy10 said:
If the next gen M3 shaves 100 to 150kg off it's weight so it's nearly back to E46 weight and comes with something like a 400bhp forced induction engine that'll be quite a car and the 1 series won't get near it.
Beardy, you make some great points, but to compare the 1M against future unknowns is kinda pointless. Of course ///M are going to make the next M3 a 'better' car. Edited by breadvan on Saturday 28th May 22:35
griff7 said:
The friend who picked up his 1M a few weeks ago has it booked into supersprint for an exhaust and kw for the suspension and then evolve for a remap in the next few weeks.To start with just uprated pads and hoses but probably brake kit at a later date,so cant wait to see the results around the ring.
I am loving all the hype about this car!Edited by griff7 on Sunday 29th May 11:53
Before your mate does all the mods, just remember BMW will bring all these parts out shortly with their Personalisation Program and if he goes down the after-market route, he will loose £££ as everyone else will be waiting for BMW first.
breadvan said:
I am loving all the hype about this car!
Before your mate does all the mods, just remember BMW will bring all these parts out shortly with their Personalisation Program and if he goes down the after-market route, he will loose £££ as everyone else will be waiting for BMW first.
There is this obsession with certain people about how much money people will lose!!Everone who has bought one of these is going to lose big £££.Like pugsey and a few others have said they are not bothered about losing money only owning and enjoying driving the car.If you dont want to lose too much then dont buy new or buy something that is a future classic and then you cant put miles on it or enjoy it or it is still worthless.Before your mate does all the mods, just remember BMW will bring all these parts out shortly with their Personalisation Program and if he goes down the after-market route, he will loose £££ as everyone else will be waiting for BMW first.
If you think that buying off bmw is cheaper than buying off the shelf then you are delirious!!When bmw supply brakes they are brembo,and the suspension on the gts is kw so why pay more for the parts off bmw??As far as exhaust is concerned do you really think bmw are going to offer a full turbo back system and if they do at less money than other manufacturers??My friend and i have a lot of contacts for motorsport parts and therefore get some very good deals,but even if we were not in this position we would still buy the parts as it gets the cars to where we want them for our enjoyment.
When certain suppliers offer to supply goods for free in exchange for advertising and a few favours i suppose you would turn that down as well? as the parts are not from bmw?
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