'I thought it was Cruise Control when i set it !'. I have had to stop lately tho as my Flux Capacitor is on the blink,besides the cost of fuel in the future is horrific.

The cost of that CSL in 2020 may not be too far out tho

Can someone with a crystal ball tell me what will happen to csl prices when the 1M finally starts to dip below 30k?

Surely when they start to be within 5k of each other people will start getting out of their CSLs and into the newer and currently the only "focused" M car of the last 5 years?

Will 1M prices stay above 30m for the forseeable? Will the CSLs start to appreciate on a broad scale?

Reason for asking is I'm looking at buying a CSL but I'm not sure if the time is right!!

Most CSL owners won't be looking to get into a 1M, regardless of price.

Many owners have them as second or third cars & are happy to hang onto them longer term.

If you want one, buy one, they wont be making any more of 'em.

Agreed.

Looks like one ~ the CSL and 1M do lift off to let it go by on the way to Flugplatz 2.00 mins into the video but its not too far up the road at 4.00 mins as they drop down to Adenau.

I really like the 1m but there's one issue for me:

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but how many non 1m owners have sat in a 1m. I sat in one at Goodwood last year and I really didn't like the seating position. It felt like you were sat on the car rather than being a part of it.

I get a little bit of the same problem in my CS although to a far lesser extent, i have to put the seat as low as it will go and really hunker down into the seat to get that 'part of the car' feeling when pushing on a bit.

Maybe the seat wasn't setup right in the 1m be interested to hear people's opinions.

That's what I love about the gt3 porsche's, your literally part of the car I'm sure the CSL is the same with those seats.

Did the one you sat in have electric or manual seats? The manual seats are a little lower than the electric ones, I find the seating position fine although I have come from a 'lorry seating position' Focus RS :-)

From the previous hot hatches I have come from the manual 1M seats are much lower in comparison to any of the oem recaros, I am surprised when I hear people complaining about the seat height as I just haven't noticed an issue and have actually found them comfortable on drives over to the ring etc, I run pole positions pretty much bolted to the floor in my trackday opc but the 1M seats are not 'sitting on' in my opinion and experience and I am 5'11 so not some short ass lol

I am 6ft 4,i went for the manual seats as thats what i had in my 135i,you do sit slightly lower and personally i find these seats relatively supportive on a blast but equally comfortable on a long trip.I dont feel at odds in relation to car/wheel/pedals etc.I did a 1000 mile round trip to Belgium to break the 1M in a few days after i took delivery,not a single ache or pain and 7000 miles later am still happy.

I considered the BMW Performance seats as they look so damn good but i doubt for the driving i do i that i would gain any real benefits.

I do find my 1M easier to live with than i did my CSL on a daily basis especially trundling round town and parking etc,obviously tho it lacks that cars ultimate 10% handling abilities and cohesion between car and driver but in a straight line theres very little in it.Sound wise very little compares to a CSL bar the odd ludicrously expensive supercar.It makes me chuckle that the baby M does push the CSL so close (and it does).If they still made new CSL's i would definitley buy another,but for only car everyday all weather use a 8 or 9 year old CSL would make little sense to me personally now (2nd car/garage/definitley,next to my GT3RS and other exotica ofc)

Its funny because i have had some quicker more serious machines in the past but they never made me smile quite the same way the 1M does.Perhaps its because it doesnt feel quite as delicate or as special and you are less worried about using it that you enjoy using it more,who knows.

But honestly for a brand new German built performance car i found the 1M somewhat of a bargain at 40k.

Nope, you're not alone, the seat position on the 1M is utterly sh*te. So much so that I went to the extreme of removing the runners to allow the seat to sit nearly two inches lower. It means I've lost the ability to adjust the fore and aft movement of the seat (but I'm the only driver of the car) but retained all the other functions/adjustabilty.

The difference it makes to how the car drives is staggering (like A In L, I'm 5'11) and with the manual seat set to its lowest position, my head was no more than 1-2" inches from the headlining. Now it's closer to 4" away . . .

I likened driving the car before the seat lowering sessions (all seven hours of it ! !) to trying to drive a double decker bus quickly from the top deck. In essence it felt as if the cars and the drivers roll centers were different. Or as you've described, sitting on the car rather than it.

There's a thread on 1 Addidicts from a guy who regularly tracks his car, the first thing he did was rip out the OE seats as in his words "the driving position was too high" . . . .

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58...

If I keep the car I'm tempted to fit a pair of Recaro Pole positions and have them trimmed in black leather and alcantara (with orange stitching obviously !)The car would then feel more CSL like in its driving position and support.