E39 M5 prices on the rise ?
Discussion
TheLordJohn said:
Gad said:
Sold on Friday 
hope fully she will give the new owner as much enjoyment as I had and she will be cared for as I did
hopefully I wont regret it to much
We missed out on this! Proves my dad's procrastination has cost us.hope fully she will give the new owner as much enjoyment as I had and she will be cared for as I did
hopefully I wont regret it to much
Carlton Banks said:
Do you think sat nav is essential? What aftermarket options are available?
Some are keen, others not so. If your car has the most up to date system & wider screen (Mk4 DVD version?) then there are various ways of updating your software and mapping. The most expensive option is (as usual) to take the BMW dealer route. Aftermarket copies are available that many swear by, though some think that the cheaply copied discs make the DVD drive run hotter/more noisily than the official 'printed' version from BMW. (Actually, whether the cheap copies do this or not is something that is debated from time to time on the usual forums. Make of that what you will.)
Some owners of older cars with pre-Mk4 nav look to upgrade their hardware with used/salvaged Mk4 wide-screens and DVD drive units from eBay (quite a pricey combo). New aftermarket screen units are also available on the 'bay.
Mine has Mk4 Nav which works fine but I don't bother with it - the technology & user interface is now dated and it shows. I have all the discs/software/updates et al but use a cheapie TomTom/Garmin thing that I stick to the screen and regard as a pretty much disposable item. There's umbilical cord wires dangling around to deal with of course but at least you get pretty up to date mapping and quite good functionality for about £100 every 3 years or so. Also, I also don't like glancing down continuously at the factory-fitted screen when driving in cities. The TomTom/Garmin stuck-to-the-screen-thing means my eyes don't wander far from the road.
Everyone will have a different take on this. Down to personal preference.
Edited by Depthhoar on Monday 5th May 19:20
Edited by Depthhoar on Monday 5th May 22:03
Stedman said:
It's difficult to get a good impression of a car from photos unless they are very high res.There are a couple of things that would put me off that car, I'd only look at it if it was local.
Look at the wheels, they look nice enough after a quick look at the listing, but look a little closer. They have been refurbed and are, IMO, very slightly too silver (although the shade may not be represented in the photo, the finish is difficult to show accurately). What is worrying, is that it looks like they have not been done very well as there are some marks where the silver has come off and the black under coat is showing (look at the last picture of the front o/s wheel), to me this shows that the refurb won't last long. These aren't curb marks, they look more like stone chips.
The wheels are missing the '///M' logo sticker. The center caps are rather tatty and corroding, a very common problem. For a car that's for sale at £8,750 the seller could have spent less than £50 and correct these quite obvious points.
The front number plate has no screw covers.
The interior pictures don't show the drivers seat condition clearly, in the one picture that show is the outer bolster looks pretty well shot.
The lacquer has peeled away from the o/s rear bumper behind the wheel.
There is no picture of the engine bay, this gives a very good idea of how the car has been cared for longer term, it's easy to clean the outside and inside of a car to make it look good in a few hours. If the engine bay is clean it's more likely the car has been well cared for on a regular basis.
The MID has the phone buttons, but there is no arm rest phone. Either the MID has been replaced or the phone removed.
On the plus side the pixels in the cluster are all working and there is no obvious rust. The tow bar is a rare option but might have caused extra wear if used for towing regularly, the condition of the tow bar would be a good indicator.
RichardM5 said:
Stedman said:
It's difficult to get a good impression of a car from photos unless they are very high res.There are a couple of things that would put me off that car, I'd only look at it if it was local.
Look at the wheels, they look nice enough after a quick look at the listing, but look a little closer. They have been refurbed and are, IMO, very slightly too silver (although the shade may not be represented in the photo, the finish is difficult to show accurately). What is worrying, is that it looks like they have not been done very well as there are some marks where the silver has come off and the black under coat is showing (look at the last picture of the front o/s wheel), to me this shows that the refurb won't last long. These aren't curb marks, they look more like stone chips.
The wheels are missing the '///M' logo sticker. The center caps are rather tatty and corroding, a very common problem. For a car that's for sale at £8,750 the seller could have spent less than £50 and correct these quite obvious points.
The front number plate has no screw covers.
The interior pictures don't show the drivers seat condition clearly, in the one picture that show is the outer bolster looks pretty well shot.
The lacquer has peeled away from the o/s rear bumper behind the wheel.
There is no picture of the engine bay, this gives a very good idea of how the car has been cared for longer term, it's easy to clean the outside and inside of a car to make it look good in a few hours. If the engine bay is clean it's more likely the car has been well cared for on a regular basis.
The MID has the phone buttons, but there is no arm rest phone. Either the MID has been replaced or the phone removed.
On the plus side the pixels in the cluster are all working and there is no obvious rust. The tow bar is a rare option but might have caused extra wear if used for towing regularly, the condition of the tow bar would be a good indicator.
Edited to add wheels refurbed by Lepsons who supposably know what they are doing...
Edited by POORCARDEALER on Tuesday 6th May 08:41
If the wheels were done by Lepsons then I agree, they should know what they are doing and it will enhance the add to mention that. They did include some non OEM '///M' stickers when they did my wheels.
Of course a 13 year old car won't be perfect unless it's been truly cosseted, but it's still a £8,750 asking price. A few more pictures would not go amiss and may address any doubts people may have before going to look at a car. I'd like to see a picture of the engine bay, a picture of the drivers seat including the outer door seal, pictures of the rear seats, pictures of the rust on the doors you mention, pictures showing the condition of the carpet and pedals, pictures of the inside of the boot etc. Pictures of known weak points of the car would also help, for example close ups of the area around the boot lock and handle, around the jacking points with the pads removed etc.
Of course a 13 year old car won't be perfect unless it's been truly cosseted, but it's still a £8,750 asking price. A few more pictures would not go amiss and may address any doubts people may have before going to look at a car. I'd like to see a picture of the engine bay, a picture of the drivers seat including the outer door seal, pictures of the rear seats, pictures of the rust on the doors you mention, pictures showing the condition of the carpet and pedals, pictures of the inside of the boot etc. Pictures of known weak points of the car would also help, for example close ups of the area around the boot lock and handle, around the jacking points with the pads removed etc.
RichardM5 said:
Stedman said:
It's difficult to get a good impression of a car from photos unless they are very high res.There are a couple of things that would put me off that car, I'd only look at it if it was local.
Look at the wheels, they look nice enough after a quick look at the listing, but look a little closer. They have been refurbed and are, IMO, very slightly too silver (although the shade may not be represented in the photo, the finish is difficult to show accurately). What is worrying, is that it looks like they have not been done very well as there are some marks where the silver has come off and the black under coat is showing (look at the last picture of the front o/s wheel), to me this shows that the refurb won't last long. These aren't curb marks, they look more like stone chips.
The wheels are missing the '///M' logo sticker. The center caps are rather tatty and corroding, a very common problem. For a car that's for sale at £8,750 the seller could have spent less than £50 and correct these quite obvious points.
The front number plate has no screw covers.
The interior pictures don't show the drivers seat condition clearly, in the one picture that show is the outer bolster looks pretty well shot.
The lacquer has peeled away from the o/s rear bumper behind the wheel.
There is no picture of the engine bay, this gives a very good idea of how the car has been cared for longer term, it's easy to clean the outside and inside of a car to make it look good in a few hours. If the engine bay is clean it's more likely the car has been well cared for on a regular basis.
The MID has the phone buttons, but there is no arm rest phone. Either the MID has been replaced or the phone removed.
On the plus side the pixels in the cluster are all working and there is no obvious rust. The tow bar is a rare option but might have caused extra wear if used for towing regularly, the condition of the tow bar would be a good indicator.
Stedman said:
Auto dimming rear view mirror is shot. (£400 new, or £100 DIY repair and not difficult if you can use a soldering iron.)Ding noticeable on N/S/R door: check out how the light is distorted in one place near leading edge. Smart repair? Vendor does admit to some dings etc., though. The obvious lacquer peel was a surprise find.
Alloys don't look quite right for a Lepsons 'Shadow Chrome' refurb, but it might just be a trick of the light/camera issue.
I'm thinking £8k, then downwards if anything untoward showed up when viewing?
And the mention of rust that he hasn't bothered addressing.
But it's okay, it's not 'on the main bodywork'.
Rust that someone CBA sorting is a major off put. Just deal with it when it starts bubbling, and it's a million times easier.
When to go an see a Clubman (1275GT), described as immaculate.
Asked about the rust on the seams - "oh I didn't want to treat it as I'd break the paintwork to do so".
What the f
k do you think the rust is going to do you lemon!?
I'm with Richard - it's £1k over priced.
But it's okay, it's not 'on the main bodywork'.
Rust that someone CBA sorting is a major off put. Just deal with it when it starts bubbling, and it's a million times easier.
When to go an see a Clubman (1275GT), described as immaculate.
Asked about the rust on the seams - "oh I didn't want to treat it as I'd break the paintwork to do so".
What the f
k do you think the rust is going to do you lemon!? I'm with Richard - it's £1k over priced.
Interesting you pick up on the engine bay. I've never cleaned mine and don't intend to, to my mind it's more 'honest' in that state. If it was gleaming I'd be wondering what they want to hide there! I'm thinking of selling mine so all this feedback is useful. It's similar spec to that Le Mans so gives me an idea of to price at.
TheLordJohn said:
Rust that someone CBA sorting is a major off put. Just deal with it when it starts bubbling, and it's a million times easier.
I'm not sure that's fair. Rust is a problem on e39s and from discussing with a couple of body shops it's very difficult to put right for the long term. Mine has rust in the usual places on the rear arches and the front of the sills and I'd like to get it sorted but from what I've been told so far if you want it to be sorted and stay sorted (which is the only way I'd bother spending the money) it actually means cutting out the metal and starting again with the sections affected and is serious money for a car that's worth less than £10k.I do hope to get the rust sorted properly on mine, however it will be after being very sure that everything else is going to last long enough for it to be worth while.
TheLordJohn said:
And the mention of rust that he hasn't bothered addressing.
But it's okay, it's not 'on the main bodywork'.
Rust that someone CBA sorting is a major off put. Just deal with it when it starts bubbling, and it's a million times easier.
When to go an see a Clubman (1275GT), described as immaculate.
Asked about the rust on the seams - "oh I didn't want to treat it as I'd break the paintwork to do so".
What the fk do you think the rust is going to do you lemon!?
I'm with Richard - it's £1k over priced.
Advert has been updated and seems to address most, if not all of the concerns raised.But it's okay, it's not 'on the main bodywork'.
Rust that someone CBA sorting is a major off put. Just deal with it when it starts bubbling, and it's a million times easier.
When to go an see a Clubman (1275GT), described as immaculate.
Asked about the rust on the seams - "oh I didn't want to treat it as I'd break the paintwork to do so".
What the f
k do you think the rust is going to do you lemon!? I'm with Richard - it's £1k over priced.
I'd personally have little doubt that the car has been maintained without regard to cost during it's time with the present owner!
If those with longer memories can recall the vendors E36 M3 Touring build thread, it would answer any concerns as to how the car has been maintained!
Edited by Rollcage on Tuesday 6th May 10:17
Stedman said:
Next service really ought to be an inspection 2. Big bills just around the corner?
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