M-Dynamic a bit crap?
Discussion
TheAngryDog said:
I used to drive a 300 and 400 plus cossie with no traction control, how did we ever manage not to wrap around trees? Lol
I agree, I never needed traction control in my Cerbera 4.5 or my 200sx...I have always wondered why recent M cars have traction control on them in the first place surely your right foot and a Slippy Diff does a good enough job anyway without the need for the nanny state help. cerb4.5lee said:
TheAngryDog said:
I used to drive a 300 and 400 plus cossie with no traction control, how did we ever manage not to wrap around trees? Lol
I agree, I never needed traction control in my Cerbera 4.5 or my 200sx...I have always wondered why recent M cars have traction control on them in the first place surely your right foot and a Slippy Diff does a good enough job anyway without the need for the nanny state help. For example:
Edited by bennyboysvuk on Tuesday 8th April 13:43
bennyboysvuk said:
cerb4.5lee said:
TheAngryDog said:
I used to drive a 300 and 400 plus cossie with no traction control, how did we ever manage not to wrap around trees? Lol
I agree, I never needed traction control in my Cerbera 4.5 or my 200sx...I have always wondered why recent M cars have traction control on them in the first place surely your right foot and a Slippy Diff does a good enough job anyway without the need for the nanny state help. TheAngryDog said:
Fist's of Ham and Feet of Anvil's, as M's are well balanced, as are most BMW's tbh. My car not only tells me what its doing, it sends me a letter about what its going to do a week before it does it.
I couldn't agree more. All my Ms and every other M I've driven have generally had lovely, exploitable, beautifully judged chassis.To even suggest an M car without TC is ludicrous, there's enough of them being put through trees/walls/fields/any other immobile object with TC, for starters insurance would go through the roof, and let's not forget, it's a car built for the masses not self professed driving gods
I liked the MDM in my E90 M3, it offered a perfect amount of slip and the reassurance that unless you were being completely hamfisted it wouldn't go pear shaped
One example I had of it saving my bacon was when I went to overtake a car doing 35-40 mph in a 60, small queue behind it, so it was a multiple overtake, straight piece of road, wet, dropped a few gears, went for the overtake and the car went completely sideways when the NSR wheel lost traction on a white line, midway past a car, had the TC been off completely I have no doubt there would have been an accident, as it was I reacted quickly, TC did it's job and a brown trouser moment avoided
I liked the MDM in my E90 M3, it offered a perfect amount of slip and the reassurance that unless you were being completely hamfisted it wouldn't go pear shaped
One example I had of it saving my bacon was when I went to overtake a car doing 35-40 mph in a 60, small queue behind it, so it was a multiple overtake, straight piece of road, wet, dropped a few gears, went for the overtake and the car went completely sideways when the NSR wheel lost traction on a white line, midway past a car, had the TC been off completely I have no doubt there would have been an accident, as it was I reacted quickly, TC did it's job and a brown trouser moment avoided
martin mrt said:
To even suggest an M car without TC is ludicrous, there's enough of them being put through trees/walls/fields/any other immobile object with TC, for starters insurance would go through the roof, and let's not forget, it's a car built for the masses not self professed driving gods
"Its a car built for the masses" that pretty much sums up why the E9x M3 never lit my fire, I am a million miles away from a driving god but if I am driving a powerful rear driver I use my common sense and right foot to keep me out of trouble in the first place and even then I almost wrapped my Cerbera around a tree in the wet as that was a handful when it was slippy!In fairness if you want to enjoy the M3 without the safety net you can switch it all off which is a bonus but I think half the time you have so many who rely on the electronic aids that you wonder if they actually know how a RWD car actually feels like when it is out of shape because with the aids on they don't behave like a RWD car should anyway.
To emphasise what cpufreak said, I find that when the M3 is driven properly in MDM mode, you hardly notice it's there. It seems to allow progressive slides at quite high slip angles. It also allows a fair amount of wheelspin again if it's progressive. It's aggressive slides/spin that trigger it more readily. It's a pretty good safety net for the road.
TheAngryDog said:
bennyboysvuk said:
cerb4.5lee said:
TheAngryDog said:
I used to drive a 300 and 400 plus cossie with no traction control, how did we ever manage not to wrap around trees? Lol
I agree, I never needed traction control in my Cerbera 4.5 or my 200sx...I have always wondered why recent M cars have traction control on them in the first place surely your right foot and a Slippy Diff does a good enough job anyway without the need for the nanny state help. martin mrt said:
To even suggest an M car without TC is ludicrous, there's enough of them being put through trees/walls/fields/any other immobile object with TC, for starters insurance would go through the roof, and let's not forget, it's a car built for the masses not self professed driving gods
None of the rear wheel drive cars I've owned have ever been designed for drivings gods, yet I never managed to crash any of them. My first car was a 2.0 125bhp Sierra Sapphire, never crashed that. While you say its ludicrous to suggest an M car without TC, I say its more to do with that people are too reliant on driver aids, so when something happens like a car stepping out, people do not know what to do. Most people who jump into M cars have probably come from FWD shopping trolleys and the like, an M car may be their first RWD car. It says more about the people who drive them, and than the car itself, a point you proved below I'm afraid.martin mrt said:
I liked the MDM in my E90 M3, it offered a perfect amount of slip and the reassurance that unless you were being completely hamfisted it wouldn't go pear shaped
One example I had of it saving my bacon was when I went to overtake a car doing 35-40 mph in a 60, small queue behind it, so it was a multiple overtake, straight piece of road, wet, dropped a few gears, went for the overtake and the car went completely sideways when the NSR wheel lost traction on a white line, midway past a car, had the TC been off completely I have no doubt there would have been an accident, as it was I reacted quickly, TC did it's job and a brown trouser moment avoided
Hows that the cars fault? you werent driving to the conditions. One example I had of it saving my bacon was when I went to overtake a car doing 35-40 mph in a 60, small queue behind it, so it was a multiple overtake, straight piece of road, wet, dropped a few gears, went for the overtake and the car went completely sideways when the NSR wheel lost traction on a white line, midway past a car, had the TC been off completely I have no doubt there would have been an accident, as it was I reacted quickly, TC did it's job and a brown trouser moment avoided
cerb4.5lee said:
TheAngryDog said:
bennyboysvuk said:
cerb4.5lee said:
TheAngryDog said:
I used to drive a 300 and 400 plus cossie with no traction control, how did we ever manage not to wrap around trees? Lol
I agree, I never needed traction control in my Cerbera 4.5 or my 200sx...I have always wondered why recent M cars have traction control on them in the first place surely your right foot and a Slippy Diff does a good enough job anyway without the need for the nanny state help. cerb4.5lee said:
...but I think half the time you have so many who rely on the electronic aids that you wonder if they actually know how a RWD car actually feels like when it is out of shape because with the aids on they don't behave like a RWD car should anyway.
BMW did some market research a few years back and 80% of 1 series owners didn't know that it was a RWD car. The fact is, outside of enthusiast sites, most "normal" people wouldn't have a clue. I've no doubt that my wife doesn't know that her 320D is RWD.Zod said:
MDM on my CSL and E60 M5 made a big difference. It allowed the rear to move an appropriate amount for road driving and allowed for a deceng getaway form a standing start where DSC would cut the power.
I've found the same with the f10. It loosens things up nicely. I swear the car sounds louder too.benny.c said:
cerb4.5lee said:
...but I think half the time you have so many who rely on the electronic aids that you wonder if they actually know how a RWD car actually feels like when it is out of shape because with the aids on they don't behave like a RWD car should anyway.
BMW did some market research a few years back and 80% of 1 series owners didn't know that it was a RWD car. The fact is, outside of enthusiast sites, most "normal" people wouldn't have a clue. I've no doubt that my wife doesn't know that her 320D is RWD.
I used to swap every six months or so. 
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