E30 M3 prices

[E30M3SE]

Bayerische said:

Interesting car, just a shame that it has had a RHD conversion. I think that will put a lot of people off the car. It's a Cat D also.

The car looks strange. The colour looks like Henna red ( I could be wrong ) which wasn't available in 1989, it was on earlier cars. Also, the interior looks wrong, it looks like an EVO II interior, and this car looks like a late 215bhp version.

It will be interesting to see what this car brings as it is far from perfect, Cat D and RHD. I suspect this car has a story to tell.

Edited by Bayerische on Saturday 25th March 03:12

If you run the VIN this is what comes back,

Vehicle information

VIN WBSAK010402192209
Type code 1001
Type M3 (EUR)
E series E30 ()
Series 3
Type LIM
Steering LL
Doors 2
Engine S14
Displacement 2.30
Power 162
Drive HECK
Transmission MECH
Colour ALPINWEISS 2 (218)
Upholstery (0304)
Prod.date 1988-12-21

Vehicle options
L812 National version Great Britain
S850 Dummy-SALAPA
S853 Language version English
S860 Additional turn indicator lamp
S925 Dummy-SALAPA

Currently at £26.5K

[mark.c]

If it was white originally it certainly looks like it's had a comprehensive repaint from looking at the engine bay. I suppose if you go purely on condition and can overlook the colour change, RHD and Cat then the car may be a good car on its own merit depending what a prospective buyers priorities and intentions are. It will be interesting to see what it makes.

[Deptford Draylons]

Has anyone driven a RHD conversion ? I read the main criticism was the slower rack fitted, but then that seems easily sorted now with a faster E46 rack.
OK, a conversion might dent originality buffs and price a bit, but was wondering if a faster rack would result in it also appealing a bit more to some who don't want LHD.

Tidy under the bonnet a bit and it wouldn't be so bad. The fuel injection rail hose looks a bit cheap over buying the admittedly expensive short correct curved hose from BMW. That expansion tank and cap also look shot. Not a fan of those big ally rads either.

[e21Mark]

Just my opinion obviously, but I've always thought that taking a car that was designed and built as LHD should remain so. Changing the position of parts / weight etc and the compromise of using parts from other models. I know it's a bit sad but I think being LHD here in the U.K adds to the sense of theatre and makes it feel special. I've got a RHD 318is and much prefer sitting on the wrong side.

With values as they are I'd definitely swap this car back.

[Rob747]

At this price I'm tempted to buy it and turn it into a DTM replica....

[POORCARDEALER]

There would be some people out there for it as a RHD, I think the question is would they see it as a positive and pay accordingly or a negative and want it cheaply...

[Deptford Draylons]

Yes, I guess it's more 'pure' as LHD, but then if the only real detraction was a slower 325i steering rack, this is easily remedied and possibly improved on with a faster than M3 rack. I've not driven one so would be interested to hear.
Years ago when they were cheap lots of people were a bit put of by LHD, but now they are more and more collector cars and investments, I think the market for RHD is a bit more limited. If it went for a lot less money, I'd be tempted to fit a fast rack and enjoy. Reversion to LHD wouldn't be too hard or that expensive.

[E30M3SE]

ACA April 8th sale are listing this,


£33-38K estimate,

listing said:

mported into the UK in 2005, this 216 BHP Euro E30 has covered 162,000kms. Options include sunroof and black leather interior. The car is fitted with 48mm throttle bodies, AC Schnitzer springs, after-market exhaust system and 16" cross spoke BBS alloy wheels as fitted to the sport evo models. The history file contains MoT's, MoT history print-out from 2006 and a large quantity of invoices, many of which are local BMW agent, dating from 2006.

Chassis number: WBSAK05090AE41526

http://www.angliacarauctions.co.uk/en/classic-auctions/latest-classic-car-catalogue/saturday-8th-april-2017/1990-bmw-e30-m3/

They sold this



for £18900 in Jan '17, 3 owners and 111K iles history to 64K.

[Deptford Draylons]

E30M3SE said:

ACA April 8th sale are listing this,


£33-38K estimate,

listing said:

mported into the UK in 2005, this 216 BHP Euro E30 has covered 162,000kms. Options include sunroof and black leather interior. The car is fitted with 48mm throttle bodies, AC Schnitzer springs, after-market exhaust system and 16" cross spoke BBS alloy wheels as fitted to the sport evo models. The history file contains MoT's, MoT history print-out from 2006 and a large quantity of invoices, many of which are local BMW agent, dating from 2006.

Chassis number: WBSAK05090AE41526

MOT history check shows some discrepancy on the mileage, otherwise looks honest.

[POORCARDEALER]

E30M3SE said:

ACA April 8th sale are listing this,


£33-38K estimate,

listing said:

mported into the UK in 2005, this 216 BHP Euro E30 has covered 162,000kms. Options include sunroof and black leather interior. The car is fitted with 48mm throttle bodies, AC Schnitzer springs, after-market exhaust system and 16" cross spoke BBS alloy wheels as fitted to the sport evo models. The history file contains MoT's, MoT history print-out from 2006 and a large quantity of invoices, many of which are local BMW agent, dating from 2006.

Chassis number: WBSAK05090AE41526

http://www.angliacarauctions.co.uk/en/classic-auctions/latest-classic-car-catalogue/saturday-8th-april-2017/1990-bmw-e30-m3/

They sold this



for £18900 in Jan '17, 3 owners and 111K iles history to 64K.

I know the white car, was exceptionally nice but thats strong money for a 110K example...was for sale privately needing back arches doing and didnt sell for £9K....back arches done, big service,good detail and into ACA and bobs your uncle

[e21Mark]

Any pics of your purchase yet Ben?

[Paracetamol]

e21Mark said:

Any pics of your purchase yet Ben?

Sure Mark..can you not see them..you need some special glasses..but they are there

[IainWhy]

Deptford Draylons said:

Yes, I guess it's more 'pure' as LHD, but then if the only real detraction was a slower 325i steering rack, this is easily remedied and possibly improved on with a faster than M3 rack. I've not driven one so would be interested to hear.
Years ago when they were cheap lots of people were a bit put of by LHD, but now they are more and more collector cars and investments, I think the market for RHD is a bit more limited. If it went for a lot less money, I'd be tempted to fit a fast rack and enjoy. Reversion to LHD wouldn't be too hard or that expensive.

Walop.

There are a large number of disadvantages.

1 there is no such thing as a RHD s14 manifold,so whatever is on there is either some cut and shut or a diy job
2 the brake pedal will no longer go directly onto the master but instead will go via the link bar losing a load of feel and introducing a load of slop
3 the original holes in the bulk head are likely all clagged up with tigerseal and rivets
4 the dash supports will be all chopped about
5 the wiring loom may have been butchered
6 you either have the carpet on the wrong side or you no longer have the right carpet for the car
7 the rack will be some pony st out of a 325

[fushion julz]

There was, though, at least one racing as RHD in the BTCC

https://drivetribe.com/gallery/WxLWLEeCS2y1nq60c5m...

[E30M3SE]

Period pictures of the 44 Ratzenberger car show it as being a LHD car.

[Deptford Draylons]

IainWhy said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Yes, I guess it's more 'pure' as LHD, but then if the only real detraction was a slower 325i steering rack, this is easily remedied and possibly improved on with a faster than M3 rack. I've not driven one so would be interested to hear.
Years ago when they were cheap lots of people were a bit put of by LHD, but now they are more and more collector cars and investments, I think the market for RHD is a bit more limited. If it went for a lot less money, I'd be tempted to fit a fast rack and enjoy. Reversion to LHD wouldn't be too hard or that expensive.

Walop.

There are a large number of disadvantages.

1 there is no such thing as a RHD s14 manifold,so whatever is on there is either some cut and shut or a diy job
2 the brake pedal will no longer go directly onto the master but instead will go via the link bar losing a load of feel and introducing a load of slop
3 the original holes in the bulk head are likely all clagged up with tigerseal and rivets
4 the dash supports will be all chopped about
5 the wiring loom may have been butchered
6 you either have the carpet on the wrong side or you no longer have the right carpet for the car
7 the rack will be some pony st out of a 325

The RHD manifold I saw from a Birds converted car was the stock one modified and looked good and wouldn't see it as problem. The brake linkage thing is something I knew of but no experience of, so was wondering what it was like from someone who has driven/owned one. I take it you have ?
That rack seems easily solved and improved on and I guess the wiring and, bulkhead holes and dash supports are down to the builder. Is there anything to say the Birds cars were bodged like this ?

[IainWhy]

Deptford Draylons said:

The RHD manifold I saw from a Birds converted car was the stock one modified and looked good and wouldn't see it as problem. The brake linkage thing is something I knew of but no experience of, so was wondering what it was like from someone who has driven/owned one. I take it you have ?
That rack seems easily solved and improved on and I guess the wiring and, bulkhead holes and dash supports are down to the builder. Is there anything to say the Birds cars were bodged like this ?

Yes, I own an 89, and am currently involved in assisting in undoing a RHD "conversion"

[89pgy]

the demon tweeks car did start as a LHD but Alan Minshaw who ran and owned the car preferred RHD so had it converted, just as Bertie fisher did with his group a rally car.

[Deptford Draylons]

IainWhy said:

Deptford Draylons said:

The RHD manifold I saw from a Birds converted car was the stock one modified and looked good and wouldn't see it as problem. The brake linkage thing is something I knew of but no experience of, so was wondering what it was like from someone who has driven/owned one. I take it you have ?
That rack seems easily solved and improved on and I guess the wiring and, bulkhead holes and dash supports are down to the builder. Is there anything to say the Birds cars were bodged like this ?

Yes, I own an 89, and am currently involved in assisting in undoing a RHD "conversion"

Interesting, finally someone that owns one speaks. Do you know if yours is a Birds converted car, any pics of the conversion, particularly the brake linkage ?

[e21Mark]

Wasn't Minshaws old car back to being LHD at The Goodwood Members Meeting a few weeks ago?

While I think, does anyone have (or know of a supplier) for an Evo3 rear gurney flap please?