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chunkster-deluxe said:
I'm a newish E36 M3 evo owner, I must admit the E30's are appealing to me but are out of reach financially. This one fact has just shocked me though......there are 13 E30 M3s for sale on pistonheads classifieds, and.........only 6 E36 M3s. Where have they all gone??
Written off,rusted away or been turned into track cars is the general consensus! hope your enjoying yours
Agree to disagree.
Many people said the same about the E30 and why the price dropped out of them, now look at them.
Sierra RS500 is another car, ten years ago they was giving them away.
It is all about what people want, you do not want a E36, probably because your age puts you in a E30 (guessing) but people my age who grew up lusting after the E36 M3 are starting to come into money and want to live that dream they had. People will pay better money for the right car etc.
I think the current price increase shows these cars will steadily rise even more so as the numbers dwindle some more.
As has been said, look at the market in ten years and show me a mint E36 M3 Evolution for under £10,000
Many people said the same about the E30 and why the price dropped out of them, now look at them.
Sierra RS500 is another car, ten years ago they was giving them away.
It is all about what people want, you do not want a E36, probably because your age puts you in a E30 (guessing) but people my age who grew up lusting after the E36 M3 are starting to come into money and want to live that dream they had. People will pay better money for the right car etc.
I think the current price increase shows these cars will steadily rise even more so as the numbers dwindle some more.
As has been said, look at the market in ten years and show me a mint E36 M3 Evolution for under £10,000
This is all my own opinion of course and for fear of upsetting any E36 owners my thoughts are this; putting aside any Motorsport connection, heritage and all that jazz, E36's Evo or otherwise just don't drive as well as they should. Now this maybe controversial but let me explain, I've had several examples of both Evo and non evo over the years and always felt that something was missing in the handling department, there is no doubt the engines are cracking but the rest just didn't do it for me in standard form.
I spent thousands tweaking the cars in various ways, PSS9's, roll bars, KW's, almost every combination I could try I did, in the end I felt like I had a car that was near to what I think it should have been from the off but by then it was severely compromised. I could never achieve that same balance and poise that the E30 has straight out of the box no matter how many thousands I threw at them. So in the end I gave up.
This is a view shared by many and may go some way to explaining the price difference ( apart from the obvious as mentioned above). In isolation they are good cars but when compared to some greats they just aren't there. If anyone has an E36 M3 and are being offered strong money for it then of course that is great news as owners, if you do end up selling for these huge prices just make sure the buyer doesn't try a sorted E30 first
Just my opinion of course
I spent thousands tweaking the cars in various ways, PSS9's, roll bars, KW's, almost every combination I could try I did, in the end I felt like I had a car that was near to what I think it should have been from the off but by then it was severely compromised. I could never achieve that same balance and poise that the E30 has straight out of the box no matter how many thousands I threw at them. So in the end I gave up.
This is a view shared by many and may go some way to explaining the price difference ( apart from the obvious as mentioned above). In isolation they are good cars but when compared to some greats they just aren't there. If anyone has an E36 M3 and are being offered strong money for it then of course that is great news as owners, if you do end up selling for these huge prices just make sure the buyer doesn't try a sorted E30 first
Just my opinion of course
No one will be offended by an honest debate,I've had all sorts of stuff,currently have a 987 Boxster,and a long term E36 Evo.Not so long ago an Intergrale Evo1 so I feel I can make a subjective comment on the E36 M3.When I first got the car have too admit I was a little dissapointed,but after spending a bit refreshing the chassis it revealed a pretty competant machine,great engine,tight grippy handling,comfortable on a journey,I liked it,the control weights are a little off but nothing major..I rate them.Would like to try an E30 M3 to see if it matches the sheer magic of my old Intergale Evo1 but prices for really good ones are pretty steep.
mark.c said:
This is all my own opinion of course and for fear of upsetting any E36 owners my thoughts are this; putting aside any Motorsport connection, heritage and all that jazz, E36's Evo or otherwise just don't drive as well as they should. Now this maybe controversial but let me explain, I've had several examples of both Evo and non evo over the years and always felt that something was missing in the handling department, there is no doubt the engines are cracking but the rest just didn't do it for me in standard form.
I spent thousands tweaking the cars in various ways, PSS9's, roll bars, KW's, almost every combination I could try I did, in the end I felt like I had a car that was near to what I think it should have been from the off but by then it was severely compromised. I could never achieve that same balance and poise that the E30 has straight out of the box no matter how many thousands I threw at them. So in the end I gave up.
Popular track car - wonder why.I spent thousands tweaking the cars in various ways, PSS9's, roll bars, KW's, almost every combination I could try I did, in the end I felt like I had a car that was near to what I think it should have been from the off but by then it was severely compromised. I could never achieve that same balance and poise that the E30 has straight out of the box no matter how many thousands I threw at them. So in the end I gave up.
Mermaid said:
mark.c said:
This is all my own opinion of course and for fear of upsetting any E36 owners my thoughts are this; putting aside any Motorsport connection, heritage and all that jazz, E36's Evo or otherwise just don't drive as well as they should. Now this maybe controversial but let me explain, I've had several examples of both Evo and non evo over the years and always felt that something was missing in the handling department, there is no doubt the engines are cracking but the rest just didn't do it for me in standard form.
I spent thousands tweaking the cars in various ways, PSS9's, roll bars, KW's, almost every combination I could try I did, in the end I felt like I had a car that was near to what I think it should have been from the off but by then it was severely compromised. I could never achieve that same balance and poise that the E30 has straight out of the box no matter how many thousands I threw at them. So in the end I gave up.
Popular track car - wonder why.I spent thousands tweaking the cars in various ways, PSS9's, roll bars, KW's, almost every combination I could try I did, in the end I felt like I had a car that was near to what I think it should have been from the off but by then it was severely compromised. I could never achieve that same balance and poise that the E30 has straight out of the box no matter how many thousands I threw at them. So in the end I gave up.
chunkster-deluxe said:
I'm a newish E36 M3 evo owner, I must admit the E30's are appealing to me but are out of reach financially. This one fact has just shocked me though......there are 13 E30 M3s for sale on pistonheads classifieds, and.........only 6 E36 M3s. Where have they all gone??
For what it's worth most of the E30's are actually sold if you look into the ads...lots of traders keep the ads running after a sale.Bayerische said:
Mermaid said:
Popular track car - wonder why.
They were very cheap for a long time, a lot of car for not a lot of money. Perfect for a weekend track day warrior.Your talking what 200-210bhp/tonne rwd I6 and N/A plus as some believe its half a McLaren F1 engine (though I'm pretty sure its not that simple)
I must admit that, for me, the aesthetic and nostalgia played a big part in my lusting after an E30 M3. I was at Brands one weekday afternoon as a 20 something year old and Vic Lee Motorsport were testing with a brace of M3. I was smitten! It was the most aggressive looking and sounding touring car I'd seen and I hankered for one from then on. When I finally had the means to buy my own though, I was on the M25 heading home and wondering what the hell I had bought?! Sure it looked ok, but it was pretty gutless and certainly wasn't living up to my expectations. I couldn't tell my Mrs that though! We were heading off to Cornwall in it the next day anyway, so I just had to put up with it. As it turned out though, it wasn't the car that was the problem! It was my driving! Crossing Bodmin moor I had the confidence to really push on and it just transformed the way the car felt. Everything about the way it drove just felt so intuitive and the harder I pushed on, the better it felt. I'd had modified E30 before but they just didn't equate to the M3 and just how in control I felt on the limit. It really flatters the driver and is just a terrific car. It's almost a shame they are so valuable now and that more people won't experience them for that reason.
The e30 will always be sought after, possibly more so than the e36.
But, the e36 is coming into its own as people that wanted one are now in their 30s and have money, the e30s have been through that price rise.
E30 will always be original but the trouble for me is they're just too slow. It takes the fun out of it if you get out of your daily 730d, mercedes e250 cdi or Audi A5 3.0tdi and they feel quicker than your fun, weekend car.
I'd love both, especially an e30 sport Evo but I don't see £100k in one. I'd rather a mclaren or ferrari for that money.
But, the e36 is coming into its own as people that wanted one are now in their 30s and have money, the e30s have been through that price rise.
E30 will always be original but the trouble for me is they're just too slow. It takes the fun out of it if you get out of your daily 730d, mercedes e250 cdi or Audi A5 3.0tdi and they feel quicker than your fun, weekend car.
I'd love both, especially an e30 sport Evo but I don't see £100k in one. I'd rather a mclaren or ferrari for that money.
It's not really to do with capability, though, is it? It's about a weird un-empirical desirability. The E30 is special for so many reasons, not least that every body panel is different (except bonnet) and of course they are so sublimely intuitive to drive on the limit. No one is doubting that the e36 isn't capable, but for me, it just feels too ordinary as a car to ever be that desirable.
The Z3M Coupe Breadvan is another interesting example on paper, nothing exceptional over the e36/46 M3, and maybe even less capable - but hell, so much more desirable - and that is reflected in the prices.
The Z3M Coupe Breadvan is another interesting example on paper, nothing exceptional over the e36/46 M3, and maybe even less capable - but hell, so much more desirable - and that is reflected in the prices.
Edited by billywhizzzzzz on Saturday 14th March 14:26
To summarise,
Both cars will continue to rise in value.
The E36 will rise in value but will never come close to E30 prices. The E36 will be a slow burn as good cars are now scarce and demand from the thirty somethings is relatively high. Growth will be slow and steady as there is a limited market for RHD E36 M3's.
The E30 will continue to rise but not at the same rate that it has done in the last few years, we may even see a plateau in prices for a couple of years. Long term they are still a good investment. Early non Evo cars are the safest bet as I fear Sport Evo's could drop in value when the bubble bursts,
The End.
Both cars will continue to rise in value.
The E36 will rise in value but will never come close to E30 prices. The E36 will be a slow burn as good cars are now scarce and demand from the thirty somethings is relatively high. Growth will be slow and steady as there is a limited market for RHD E36 M3's.
The E30 will continue to rise but not at the same rate that it has done in the last few years, we may even see a plateau in prices for a couple of years. Long term they are still a good investment. Early non Evo cars are the safest bet as I fear Sport Evo's could drop in value when the bubble bursts,
The End.
Bayerische said:
The E30 will continue to rise but not at the same rate that it has done in the last few years, we may even see a plateau in prices for a couple of years. Long term they are still a good investment. Early non Evo cars are the safest bet as I fear Sport Evo's could drop in value when the bubble bursts,
That's about right, although only 600 SE's and 600 220ps Evos manufactured.
PPPPPP said:
Bayerische said:
The E30 will continue to rise but not at the same rate that it has done in the last few years, we may even see a plateau in prices for a couple of years. Long term they are still a good investment. Early non Evo cars are the safest bet as I fear Sport Evo's could drop in value when the bubble bursts,
That's about right, although only 600 SE's and 600 220ps Evos manufactured.jonah35 said:
E30 will always be original but the trouble for me is they're just too slow. It takes the fun out of it if you get out of your daily 730d, mercedes e250 cdi or Audi A5 3.0tdi and they feel quicker than your fun, weekend car.
Complete opposite for me. Nothing makes the E30 feel more special than driving it after some dull, heavy, bland modern car. jonah35 said:
E30 will always be original but the trouble for me is they're just too slow. It takes the fun out of it if you get out of your daily 730d, mercedes e250 cdi or Audi A5 3.0tdi and they feel quicker than your fun, weekend car.
Completely missing the point of the E30 M3. There's so much more than straight line speed, I'd like to see any of the above, in fact many 'fast' cars keep up with an E30 M3 through the corners without killing you or scaring the s
t out of you. A merc e250 cdi V's an E30 M3. LOL.
Agree but I think you're taking this out of context. One major factor in a car for me is acceleration. Ok, not top fuel drag acceleration but just something whereas the e30 doesn't have that.
However, it is still a lovely, lovely, special car but could just do with being that bit quicker.
However, it is still a lovely, lovely, special car but could just do with being that bit quicker.
jonah35 said:
Agree but I think you're taking this out of context. One major factor in a car for me is acceleration. Ok, not top fuel drag acceleration but just something whereas the e30 doesn't have that.
However, it is still a lovely, lovely, special car but could just do with being that bit quicker.
Agreed, we all drive our special cars for different reasons. For me my E30 is the most chuckable safe handling car I have ever owned and that's probably down to the fact that it hasn't *quite* got enough power to get me into trouble. Unlike my old E46 CSL. Traffic light races do nothing for me but on the rare occasion I do indulge then I have a fHowever, it is still a lovely, lovely, special car but could just do with being that bit quicker.
king good laugh going through the next set of twisties or over the next roundabout whilst the other car is stting itself. They're worth every penny, but that's just my opinion.
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