Discussion
POORCARDEALER said:
E30M3SE said:
Thats beyond crazy
https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1972-ford-esco...
I'll probably get shot down for this, but I think Evo and Sport Evo cars are in a separate category (price-wise) to the Cecotto/Ravaglia/Europameister special editions.
Although they don't differ much mechanically, the former cars are the genuine homolagation vehicles and as such should and do carry a premium in line with comparable cars from other manufacturers (see the bonkers price of the Merc Evo 2 above).
It is extremely expensive and difficult to restore an Evo car now. Parts availability is patchy and getting worse, even the best cars hide rust in difficult to reach places and finding a car with decent provenance and originality is getting very rare.
I would say that well restored Evo cars are now in the £60k+ bracket, low mileage and original cars definitely nudging 6 figures. I don't like it, I don't think they are that special, but it's where the market is.
Pagoda, how bad is the rust in your Evo?
If you are paying someone to do the work and you want new panels, good paint job and trim bits, honestly, it could be 5 figures nowadays. Once you've done the body work, it'll highlight all the other bits of the car which need doing and then the money gets really serious..... This is exactly where I am with mine now, 3 years into the restoration and getting on for £30k in costs. I should add, I have done a lot of the work myself.
What I'm trying to say is, if you love the car and can afford to spend what it takes to get it right then do it!
But if you have one eye on selling it after the work is done then, depending on what you paid for your car you just might end up out of pocket.
It's a tricky one, I personally have no regrets on the cost/time mine has taken but I have never planned to sell it either.
Cheers Rob, it's a keeper and even mentioned in my will so not interested in values / resale except to the extent that I don't want to spend £20k on a car that I could already sell for £40k for it only to be worth £45k. The rust isn't bad at all but I think a £40k car shouldnt have ANY rust. Mark has given some good advice via PM and rather than rush the work and regret it later, I'm probably going to get it stripped down to a bare shell and done properly. I''m pretty fortunate to be starting from a good base with a rebuilt engine, great panels, paint, interior, wheels, brakes & suspension so in my mind, circa £10k plus extra for the engine bay & underside detail should get me what I'm looking for and I'll still be in for less than £40k all up....
Although they don't differ much mechanically, the former cars are the genuine homolagation vehicles and as such should and do carry a premium in line with comparable cars from other manufacturers (see the bonkers price of the Merc Evo 2 above).
It is extremely expensive and difficult to restore an Evo car now. Parts availability is patchy and getting worse, even the best cars hide rust in difficult to reach places and finding a car with decent provenance and originality is getting very rare.
I would say that well restored Evo cars are now in the £60k+ bracket, low mileage and original cars definitely nudging 6 figures. I don't like it, I don't think they are that special, but it's where the market is.
Pagoda, how bad is the rust in your Evo?
If you are paying someone to do the work and you want new panels, good paint job and trim bits, honestly, it could be 5 figures nowadays. Once you've done the body work, it'll highlight all the other bits of the car which need doing and then the money gets really serious..... This is exactly where I am with mine now, 3 years into the restoration and getting on for £30k in costs. I should add, I have done a lot of the work myself.
What I'm trying to say is, if you love the car and can afford to spend what it takes to get it right then do it!
But if you have one eye on selling it after the work is done then, depending on what you paid for your car you just might end up out of pocket.
It's a tricky one, I personally have no regrets on the cost/time mine has taken but I have never planned to sell it either.
Cheers Rob, it's a keeper and even mentioned in my will so not interested in values / resale except to the extent that I don't want to spend £20k on a car that I could already sell for £40k for it only to be worth £45k. The rust isn't bad at all but I think a £40k car shouldnt have ANY rust. Mark has given some good advice via PM and rather than rush the work and regret it later, I'm probably going to get it stripped down to a bare shell and done properly. I''m pretty fortunate to be starting from a good base with a rebuilt engine, great panels, paint, interior, wheels, brakes & suspension so in my mind, circa £10k plus extra for the engine bay & underside detail should get me what I'm looking for and I'll still be in for less than £40k all up....
"Just get it done right and take your time with the rebuild (if doing it yourself)"
Will do - got my fingers burned with a Mercedes 230SL 'Pagoda' where I spent money in the wrong places in my keeness to get the restoration completed - £7k on the interior when £2k would have been sufficient, engine rebuild by a cowboy, new paint & a fortune on cosmetics before I sorted out the rust so determined to take my time and get this right.....
Will do - got my fingers burned with a Mercedes 230SL 'Pagoda' where I spent money in the wrong places in my keeness to get the restoration completed - £7k on the interior when £2k would have been sufficient, engine rebuild by a cowboy, new paint & a fortune on cosmetics before I sorted out the rust so determined to take my time and get this right.....
Read up on what now becoming a multitude of restoration threads on various forums for M3 or even just any E30 as the body problems are much the same. It's always interesting to see the unexpected things people find wrong that were hidden or bodged etc and odd bit and pieces that bump up the restoration cost that you don't think of.
Despite the pound dropping like a stone of late, using BMW Classic for parts is still cheaper than a dealer list price ( German site priced in Euros ) and I think still beats UK BMW dealers on various forums offering ( usually around 10% ) a discount. The site also displays what is available and what's not. Must of the stuff from BMW isn't too badly priced, but they do have plenty of things that are just plain f
king crazily priced, like £90 for a bit of nylon breather pipe that's £2 worth. Basically, there is scope to reduce the bill massively over mugs who pay UK dealer list price.
Despite the pound dropping like a stone of late, using BMW Classic for parts is still cheaper than a dealer list price ( German site priced in Euros ) and I think still beats UK BMW dealers on various forums offering ( usually around 10% ) a discount. The site also displays what is available and what's not. Must of the stuff from BMW isn't too badly priced, but they do have plenty of things that are just plain f
king crazily priced, like £90 for a bit of nylon breather pipe that's £2 worth. Basically, there is scope to reduce the bill massively over mugs who pay UK dealer list price. Mr_B said:
Read up on what now becoming a multitude of restoration threads on various forums for M3 or even just any E30 as the body problems are much the same. It's always interesting to see the unexpected things people find wrong that were hidden or bodged etc and odd bit and pieces that bump up the restoration cost that you don't think of.
Despite the pound dropping like a stone of late, using BMW Classic for parts is still cheaper than a dealer list price ( German site priced in Euros ) and I think still beats UK BMW dealers on various forums offering ( usually around 10% ) a discount. The site also displays what is available and what's not. Must of the stuff from BMW isn't too badly priced, but they do have plenty of things that are just plain crazily priced, like £90 for a bit of nylon breather pipe that's £2 worth. Basically, there is scope to reduce the bill massively over mugs who pay UK dealer list price.
Will do. Looking forward to building an encyclopaedic knowledge of E30 parts prices 'How much ?? Just for that daft bit of metal? Jesus!?' was an often used phrase during the Pagoda resto.....!Despite the pound dropping like a stone of late, using BMW Classic for parts is still cheaper than a dealer list price ( German site priced in Euros ) and I think still beats UK BMW dealers on various forums offering ( usually around 10% ) a discount. The site also displays what is available and what's not. Must of the stuff from BMW isn't too badly priced, but they do have plenty of things that are just plain crazily priced, like £90 for a bit of nylon breather pipe that's £2 worth. Basically, there is scope to reduce the bill massively over mugs who pay UK dealer list price.
Pagoda1966 said:
Mr_B said:
Read up on what now becoming a multitude of restoration threads on various forums for M3 or even just any E30 as the body problems are much the same. It's always interesting to see the unexpected things people find wrong that were hidden or bodged etc and odd bit and pieces that bump up the restoration cost that you don't think of.
Despite the pound dropping like a stone of late, using BMW Classic for parts is still cheaper than a dealer list price ( German site priced in Euros ) and I think still beats UK BMW dealers on various forums offering ( usually around 10% ) a discount. The site also displays what is available and what's not. Must of the stuff from BMW isn't too badly priced, but they do have plenty of things that are just plain crazily priced, like £90 for a bit of nylon breather pipe that's £2 worth. Basically, there is scope to reduce the bill massively over mugs who pay UK dealer list price.
Will do. Looking forward to building an encyclopaedic knowledge of E30 parts prices 'How much ?? Just for that daft bit of metal? Jesus!?' was an often used phrase during the Pagoda resto.....!Despite the pound dropping like a stone of late, using BMW Classic for parts is still cheaper than a dealer list price ( German site priced in Euros ) and I think still beats UK BMW dealers on various forums offering ( usually around 10% ) a discount. The site also displays what is available and what's not. Must of the stuff from BMW isn't too badly priced, but they do have plenty of things that are just plain crazily priced, like £90 for a bit of nylon breather pipe that's £2 worth. Basically, there is scope to reduce the bill massively over mugs who pay UK dealer list price.
Rear wheel bearings are originally I believe SKF brand and can be bought aftermarket of the same brand. The front bearings are a complete new hub and expensive at 250 euro each via BMW's Classic shop and about £300 each UK dealer list price and SKF branded. You can buy SKF front hubs for the E28 5 series for about £50 each and simply swap the ABS rings and get exactly the same thing. I did this and sold the E28 ABS rings on eBay, so paid the equivalent of £40 each - massive saving and still originally branded parts used.
Exactly what Mr B said, loads of parts which are OEM are available for a fraction of the cost, some parts like front top mounts even have the BMW roundels ground out by hand as they were all made on the same production line!
That said most parts which are not available via OEM are frankly mental.
That said most parts which are not available via OEM are frankly mental.
e21Mark said:
Anyone know of any UK M3's currently for sale?
Here you go. It's had a new engine so that might make it less appealing to some.http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C719278
Bayerische said:
Here you go. It's had a new engine so that might make it less appealing to some.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C719278
That one has no engine in at the moment. It has rust also.http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C719278
It's £27k with the engine unbuilt or £30k with the engine built and fitted. You then have the rust issues.
sat1s1ngh said:
Bayerische said:
Here you go. It's had a new engine so that might make it less appealing to some.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C719278
That one has no engine in at the moment. It has rust also.http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C719278
It's £27k with the engine unbuilt or £30k with the engine built and fitted. You then have the rust issues.
sat1s1ngh said:
Bayerische said:
Here you go. It's had a new engine so that might make it less appealing to some.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C719278
That one has no engine in at the moment. It has rust also.http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C719278
It's £27k with the engine unbuilt or £30k with the engine built and fitted. You then have the rust issues.
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