E30 M3 prices

[Pagoda1966]

Yip, unless you can do it yourself, you can't make a bad car a good car for the money it would have cost you to buy a good car in the first place and you'd still end up with a car with issues (non-original engine, lack of history, I assume high mileage). Having said this, at £12k I'd have it and probably just stick it in the garage for 10 years......

[E30M3SE]

Josco010 said:

It's sad that someone can come here and claim someone's car is worth just 5k, jealousy is a terrible thing. My old 2006 push bicycle is worth more than 8k let alone a pure homologation special. Even if the engine is not genuine to the car or needs work how in the hell can it be worth just 5k?? The boot spoiler alone is worth £1.500 on its own and the front lip another £250- £300 minus the bumper. Some will go to any lengths to crucify a car they do not know anything about, just cause they can't afford it. Sad... Whatever the reason the car is parked up who knows and just as (thank for for free speech on the Internet ) any one can say what they want fair enough, if a seller chooses to sell their car for crazy sum more power to them if someone feels it's worth the asking price ridiculous or not. Porsche dealers/ owners are doing it, same as Ferrari owners and dealers, yet the e30 has real pedigree that cars like 964's or 993's don't have unless the RS/GT3rs models yet no one complains. This car is not mine nor do I know the owner, but the comment of some reeks of our jealousy or spite for someone else's luck in having something special. If a constructive criticism or comment is not possible best to stay quiet.

First off, they're not Sport Evo seat.



The front spoiler that you claim to be worth £250-300 only cost £200 new from BMW and that car only has the lower lip spoiler not the correct Sport Evo set up.



The rear spoiler is not genuine as the interface between the gurney flap and main spoiler is wrong, as previously said probably fibreglass so worth about £150 not £1500.

Where is the AC79XX VIN number?

I hope that car does sell for the asking price as all that does it bump up the values of all decent genuine E30 M3 that many posters on this thread actually own.

Edited by E30M3SE on Friday 29th April 19:34

[Bayerische]

Josco010 said:

Hmmnnn, interesting. Could it be a situation where he got facts wrong? Perhaps wrongly advised. As an example I have an evolution car, but at time of purchase was unaware of car's actual model, vendor was equally unaware as it came with all normal body bits, it was after many years when I took to bexhley Heath motorsports they called me to ask if I knew my car was an evo model, this was sported by the chassis number. So who knows if same thing here but only on the other way round.... Just a line of thinking

With the greatest of respect......I think you are being very naive.

He now says in the ad that it is not a Sport Evo, but still insists on using the word Evolution twice in the description. No mention in the ad that the valuable parts are cheap knockoffs, and yet he still has the nerve to ask £20,000 for that wreck.

Out of curiosity, what would you value the car at?

Edited by Bayerische on Friday 29th April 23:26

Edited by Bayerische on Saturday 30th April 23:02

[e21Mark]

I imagine the most money is in breaking it down for parts. It would be a fair amount of work but I just can't see there being many people who'd be prepared to take on such an extensive restoration.

[Mr_B]

Bodge the rust repairs , stick a cage in it, have fun.

[e21Mark]

I think it needs a fair chunk of cash thrown at it before any fun can be had.

[528Sport]

E30M3SE said:

Josco010 said:

It's sad that someone can come here and claim someone's car is worth just 5k, jealousy is a terrible thing. My old 2006 push bicycle is worth more than 8k let alone a pure homologation special. Even if the engine is not genuine to the car or needs work how in the hell can it be worth just 5k?? The boot spoiler alone is worth £1.500 on its own and the front lip another £250- £300 minus the bumper. Some will go to any lengths to crucify a car they do not know anything about, just cause they can't afford it. Sad... Whatever the reason the car is parked up who knows and just as (thank for for free speech on the Internet ) any one can say what they want fair enough, if a seller chooses to sell their car for crazy sum more power to them if someone feels it's worth the asking price ridiculous or not. Porsche dealers/ owners are doing it, same as Ferrari owners and dealers, yet the e30 has real pedigree that cars like 964's or 993's don't have unless the RS/GT3rs models yet no one complains. This car is not mine nor do I know the owner, but the comment of some reeks of our jealousy or spite for someone else's luck in having something special. If a constructive criticism or comment is not possible best to stay quiet.

First off, they're not Sport Evo seat.



The front spoiler that you claim to be worth £250-300 only cost £200 new from BMW and that car only has the lower lip spoiler not the correct Sport Evo set up.



The rear spoiler is not genuine as the interface between the gurney flap and main spoiler is wrong, as previously said probably fibreglass so worth about £150 not £1500.

Where is the AC79XX VIN number?

I hope that car does sell for the asking price as all that does it bump up the values of all decent genuine E30 M3 that many posters on this thread actually own.

Edited by E30M3SE on Friday 29th April 19:34

Josco010,
I can assume your post is a dig at me and my comments about the £5K.
Well bonny lad I owned an E30M3 for many years thanks, great cars. I no longer do own by choice.
This car in question is a shed. Damaged interior, fake boot spoiler, rust, wrong engine, more rust, those seats WTF, faded paint.... How can it be worth £20K?

And If I wanted to get another E30M3 I could afford one thanks but I don't want one (been there) I find it sad that these cars change hands for so much cash putting real enthusiasts miles away from ever owning one.

If I still had mine I'd be happy and use it as much as possible.
I sold mine to finance a house purchase, sad day, not because I hoped it would go up in value but because I loved driving it.

All my opinion :-)

[e21Mark]

528Sport said:

I find it sad that these cars change hands for so much cash putting real enthusiasts miles away from ever owning one.

This is so true. I'm extremely lucky to have mine. Right time, right place, hard graft and fortunate that I wanted a modified example, which can usually be found a bit cheaper. Well used to be anyway. All the mods done to mine are reversible, although there's just something so right about a track focussed E30 M3 and it makes driving a real event. (for me! ) You seldom see them being driven nowadays, let alone getting properly spanked. Yes, I'm lucky values have risen, but I'd still love it if it was worth £500! Driving it means way more than monetary value.

[528Sport]

e21Mark said:

528Sport said:

I find it sad that these cars change hands for so much cash putting real enthusiasts miles away from ever owning one.

This is so true. I'm extremely lucky to have mine. Right time, right place, hard graft and fortunate that I wanted a modified example, which can usually be found a bit cheaper. Well used to be anyway. All the mods done to mine are reversible, although there's just something so right about a track focussed E30 M3 and it makes driving a real event. (for me! ) You seldom see them being driven nowadays, let alone getting properly spanked. Yes, I'm lucky values have risen, but I'd still love it if it was worth £500! Driving it means way more than monetary value.

Agreed...

I spent a small fortune on mine, made it a great example.
What puts me off getting another E30M3 are prices. I just can't justify the cost, I'd rather have a 996 turbo or 996c4s, in my opinion more car for the money. currently ive got a 1998 996 as a toy.
I feel lucky I owned an E30M3 but for me i'm oot.
Another factor for me is the lack of availability of parts. I honestly think this is a massive issue.
Are all engine parts still available?

[E30M3SE]

£37K

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/bmw/71...

[Mr_B]

E30M3SE said:

£37K

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/bmw/71...

Seemingly a recent Jap spec import with a dogleg box conversion.

[Paracetamol]

Did you speak with the owner? My m3 came from Japan but was originally in Germany. Its extremely unmolested and rust free.I would have had to pay 80pc for an all its life in Europe car. Frankly I prefer to put that 80pc inot my car to make it mechanicaly perfect than to have lots of stamps in a book. I know the prejudice against jap cars but at the same time they can be great buys if not played around with.

[e21Mark]

Personally I think every car needs to be judged on its own merit. I'm not sure if there are any other cars that appear to travel the world as much as E30 M3 seem to?

[E30M3SE]

Mr_B said:

Seemingly a recent Jap spec import with a dogleg box conversion.

Recent import, DOR 01/02/2016.

[e21Mark]

528Sport said:

greed...Another factor for me is the lack of availability of parts. I honestly think this is a massive issue.
Are all engine parts still available?

Technically most appear to be. Unfortunately though, many are on long term back order in Germany. I know someone recently holed their engine block and they'll most likely have to go the route of complete second hand engine. I know there are several crucial things like bumper mounts that are NLA. I was lucky to find an NOS pair in the USA but I know a few people have had to fabricate them from scratch. Rear panels are also NLA although reasonable quality pattern parts can be bought. You used to be able to buy a cabriolet panel and modify the exhaust aperture but even those are sold out. I opted to pay a bit over the odds for a used genuine panel and then soda blast it. If I see another, I think I will squirrel it away 'just in case'.

[Rob747]

528Sport said:

greed...

I spent a small fortune on mine, made it a great example.
What puts me off getting another E30M3 are prices. I just can't justify the cost, I'd rather have a 996 turbo or 996c4s, in my opinion more car for the money. currently ive got a 1998 996 as a toy.
I feel lucky I owned an E30M3 but for me i'm oot.
Another factor for me is the lack of availability of parts. I honestly think this is a massive issue.
Are all engine parts still available?

Yes you can still get all the engine mechanical parts, prices are insane though. Exterior trim and panels are partly available and interior trim parts are mostly NLA.

I agree that there are 'better' cars available for the same money, but most lack the intangible appeal of the e30 M3.

Josco, regarding the red £20k shed on eBay, you could easily spend £30k getting that sorted out and still be left with a car that isn't worth that amount due to non original s14 engine/box (good luck finding those in good condition for sensible money). It's got nothing to do with haters/jealousy, the seller is dreaming.

[e21Mark]

Rob747 said:

528Sport said:

greed...

I spent a small fortune on mine, made it a great example.
What puts me off getting another E30M3 are prices. I just can't justify the cost, I'd rather have a 996 turbo or 996c4s, in my opinion more car for the money. currently ive got a 1998 996 as a toy.
I feel lucky I owned an E30M3 but for me i'm oot.
Another factor for me is the lack of availability of parts. I honestly think this is a massive issue.
Are all engine parts still available?

Yes you can still get all the engine mechanical parts, prices are insane though. Exterior trim and panels are partly available and interior trim parts are mostly NLA.

I agree that there are 'better' cars available for the same money, but most lack the intangible appeal of the e30 M3.

Josco, regarding the red £20k shed on eBay, you could easily spend £30k getting that sorted out and still be left with a car that isn't worth that amount due to non original s14 engine/box (good luck finding those in good condition for sensible money). It's got nothing to do with haters/jealousy, the seller is dreaming.

I can get an engine and box but that alone will be £6k and then you'll want to refresh it etc, so most likely nearer £8k and that's before you even look at the bodywork. The MOT history hints at just how much work there is to be done. If it really was worth this kind of money it would have been snapped up by now. There are plenty of people looking to buy but it's just not viable with these figures.

[Paracetamol]

E30M3SE said:

Mr_B said:

Seemingly a recent Jap spec import with a dogleg box conversion.

Recent import, DOR 01/02/2016.

OK. But how does the conclusion that the dog leg box is a conversion?

[E30M3SE]

Japanese version car did not have dogleg box, and if you run the VIN through the BMW parts system it shows the car fitted with a 5 speed overdrive gearbox.

The VIN on that car is WBSAK050401893445

Vehicle Identification Number WBSAK050401893445
Type AK05
Model M3 - EUR
Development Code E30
Chassis LIM
Steering LL
Doors 2
Engine S14
Displacement 2.30
Power 158
Drivetrain HECK
Transmission MECH
Color Diamantschwarz Metallic - 181
Upholstery Anthrazit Stoff - 0304
Production Plant
Production Date 1988-03-01


Options
361 Ausstellfenster, Hinten Ausstellfenster, Hinten
401 Sliding/vent Roof, Electric Schiebe-hebedach, Elektrisch
410 Window Lifts, Electric At Front Fensterheber, Elektrisch Vorn
423 Floor Mats, Velour Fussmatten In Velours
530 Air Conditioning Klimaanlage
551 On-board Computer Ii W Remote Control Bordcomputer Ii Mit Fernbedienung
807 Japan Version Japan-ausfuehrung

Edited by E30M3SE on Sunday 1st May 13:56

[evojam]

Paracetamol said:

Did you speak with the owner? My m3 came from Japan but was originally in Germany. Its extremely unmolested and rust free.I would have had to pay 80pc for an all its life in Europe car. Frankly I prefer to put that 80pc inot my car to make it mechanicaly perfect than to have lots of stamps in a book. I know the prejudice against jap cars but at the same time they can be great buys if not played around with.

Ditto,only the totally blinkered would discount a Japanese market car,had a standard 1989 E30 M3 in red originally supplied new in Tokyo,it was simply stunning,the underside was like new and with a wipe down looked like it rolled off the assembly line last week,the shell had not one trace of rust,night and day compared to some UK cars.Granted they don't often come with extensive history and have to be checked carefully but I've seen some real gems bought by shrewd buyers.