M5 (F10) vs E63S AMG vs RS6

[Andy M]

I've not seen these Auto Express runs previously posted.

The M5 easily outruns the Merc:

http://youtu.be/6uHcjIh3aR0?t=17s

But then have a look at the time of the RS6:

http://youtu.be/Iaug-oRhXcU?list=PLCDxtKM_aq35SSZB...



The RS6 is obviously a rapid machine, but had the M5 hit its limiter? I recall the M5 does 0-150mph in the low 18s.

[Schermerhorn]

4 wheel drive and launch control help on the RS6.

Over 100 mph they are closely matched but the RS6 is a proper weapon off the line.

[Wills2]

I think that RS6 was tuned....look at what it beats.

[W8PMC]

Is a bit sus but they do launch very well & will hit 62 in sub 4secs, however the GT-R is closer to 3 so odd the M5 & RS6 beat the GT-R.

[Andy M]

W8PMC said:

Is a bit sus but they do launch very well & will hit 62 in sub 4secs, however the GT-R is closer to 3 so odd the M5 & RS6 beat the GT-R.

I'm surprised by the time of the S63 too.

If you recall the Chris Harris M6GC vid, he hit the limiter pretty quickly and the AMG then sailed by:

http://youtu.be/7-yCupxxErM?t=12m27s

Given the 1.8km distance used, I can't see how a number of the cars wouldn't have hit their 155mph(ish) limiters?

[Snollygoster]

Andy M said:

I'm surprised by the time of the S63 too.

If you recall the Chris Harris M6GC vid, he hit the limiter pretty quickly and the AMG then sailed by:

http://youtu.be/7-yCupxxErM?t=12m27s

Given the 1.8km distance used, I can't see how a number of the cars wouldn't have hit their 155mph(ish) limiters?

I could be wrong, but not all the cars in question were owned by the manufacture and are actually the owners cars. The RS6 certainly isn't a VAG demo. Plus, their not pro drives, not that would matter for a drag race, but could be a factor. The C63 is driven by the PR Director for MB UK as he had pics all over his twitter.

Maybe the GT-R owner didn't want to give it the beans.

Also, back to the original question. Quite surprised the M5 won. There are have been a fair few American Automotive videos where the E63S wins in a straight line.

[Andy M]

Snollygoster said:

Also, back to the original question. Quite surprised the M5 won. There are have been a fair few American Automotive videos where the E63S wins in a straight line.

Remember, the US E63S is 4 wheel drive (the UK is rear only), so over a short distance the US Merc would have the advantage.

I think the M5 is the faster car once moving due to a better gearbox.

[W8PMC]

Andy M said:

I'm surprised by the time of the S63 too.

If you recall the Chris Harris M6GC vid, he hit the limiter pretty quickly and the AMG then sailed by:

http://youtu.be/7-yCupxxErM?t=12m27s

Given the 1.8km distance used, I can't see how a number of the cars wouldn't have hit their 155mph(ish) limiters?

Just been in touch with the guy who ran the F10 M5. The RS6 was derestricted & the M5 wasn't so was done by 160mph. That makes sense as to why the RS6 looked so rapid in company.

No idea why the GT-R faired so badly as they're not restricted.

Edited by W8PMC on Monday 17th November 15:59

Edited by W8PMC on Monday 17th November 16:16

[ecain63]

RS6 is a weapon, no getting away from it. Standard guise they are 3.4s to 60 with good traction. There is a stage 1 car with an EVCU and TCU map that has recorded 2.8s to 60. Insane pace!!

[W8PMC]

ecain63 said:

RS6 is a weapon, no getting away from it. Standard guise they are 3.4s to 60 with good traction. There is a stage 1 car with an EVCU and TCU map that has recorded 2.8s to 60. Insane pace!!

That's quicker than i've heard/experienced. Thought stock cars are around 3.7/8?

Know of one that's off to DMS soon so i'd expect that to return as something ballistic.

[Wills2]

Car and driver got an RS7 to 60 in 3.4 seconds but that does include a 3ft roll out (worth 2-3mph) and you're knocking the 2mph off the top as well compared to the 0-62 quoted by Audi.

So you can add a couple or three 10ths to that number giving a 0-62 of about 3.7, still very impressive.

[Andy M]

W8PMC said:

Just been in touch with the guy who ran the F10 M5. The RS6 was derestricted & the M5 wasn't so was done by 160mph. That makes sense as to why the RS6 looked so rapid in company.

No idea why the GT-R faired so badly as they're not restricted.

How soon into the run did he hit the limiter?

It's ridiculous that BMW UK don't offer the car de-restricted. It may only be useful on a handful of occasions during the cars lifetime, but their M cars are supposed to be halo products.

[Andy M]

Wills2 said:

Car and driver got an RS7 to 60 in 3.4 seconds but that does include a 3ft roll out (worth 2-3mph) and you're knocking the 2mph off the top as well compared to the 0-62 quoted by Audi.

So you can add a couple or three 10ths to that number giving a 0-62 of about 3.7, still very impressive.

The M5 has been quoted at 3.7 to 60 so I'd be surprised if the RS6/7 couldn't improve on that.

[Wills2]

Andy M said:

The M5 has been quoted at 3.7 to 60 so I'd be surprised if the RS6/7 couldn't improve on that.

I'm just quoting the article, the US testers tend to get the best results due to the roll out etc...

Here: http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2014-audi-...

CLS and M6GC figures to argue about as well knock yourself out....

[W8PMC]

Andy M said:

How soon into the run did he hit the limiter?

It's ridiculous that BMW UK don't offer the car de-restricted. It may only be useful on a handful of occasions during the cars lifetime, but their M cars are supposed to be halo products.

He reckons 4-5 seconds so a fairly significant difference.

Is stupid having such a powerful car limited to 155mph, especially for those owners who track their cars & take them across to Germany.

Edited by W8PMC on Thursday 20th November 15:37

[sumo69]

W8PMC said:

He reckons 4-5 seconds so a fairly significant difference.

Exactly why i got mine removed as is stupid having such a powerful car limited to 155mph, especially for those owners who track their cars & take them across to Germany.

SHHHHH - big BMW brother may be watching!

[Andy M]

W8PMC said:

He reckons 4-5 seconds so a fairly significant difference.

Exactly why i got mine removed as is stupid having such a powerful car limited to 155mph, especially for those owners who track their cars & take them across to Germany.

Hypothetically, how would somebody go about this..? (via PM if necessary!)

[krallicious]

Andy M said:

Hypothetically, how would somebody go about this..? (via PM if necessary!)

If you want to keep your warrenty, then you can have the M Driver's package retrofitted in Germany.

[W8PMC]

krallicious said:

If you want to keep your warrenty, then you can have the M Driver's package retrofitted in Germany.

I think that only raises it to 175mph which is kind of stupid given the standard 155 limiter is actually 165 in reality.

[W8PMC]

sumo69 said:

SHHHHH - big BMW brother may be watching!

No idea what you're talking about