E60 M5 remap by DMS
Discussion
W8PMC said:
That's only half the story though as DMS provide a full warranty on all their work so any issues with BMW & you're fully covered, plus you get updated maps applied FOC for up to 3yrs & that also applies to removal if required & they'll also come to you & do this work if needed & lastly if you want a true custom tune then you'll be needing a RR which they also have at their premises. Tuners are a very personal thing, but i'm happier paying for a quality product & quality service & unfortunately that's very hard to find nowadays.
Fair comments I did not keep the car for a year even so was not able to take any advantage of their cover, I found Will @ P-torque and kept with him after.Normally aspirated engines can't be tuned much, it's more fuel clean-up as almost all performance cars used to be (not sure now) set-up to run rich.
Sir_Dave said:
And you're independent.
Vs a tuner doing a baseline figure, tinkering with the map (& the dyno) then putting it on the rollers again
Correct & as i said, the RR of choice i believe for EVO (or certainly used to be) at which several DMS cars have been tested for the magazine.Vs a tuner doing a baseline figure, tinkering with the map (& the dyno) then putting it on the rollers again
No issue being sceptical but pointless posting when it's purely an opinion, so i'll stick with what i know
JMBMWM5 said:
air comments I did not keep the car for a year even so was not able to take any advantage of their cover, I found Will @ P-torque and kept with him after.
Normally aspirated engines can't be tuned much, it's more fuel clean-up as almost all performance cars used to be (not sure now) set-up to run rich.
I 100% buy into tuner brand loyalty & more so nowadays when you hear so many horror stories & i do know of Will & can't call his work into question. That said, i first used DMS on my 535d M Sport many moons ago & for me the 'quoted gains' really are only part of the story as although they've hit the mark on MY cars in the past, i want to know that if anything goes wrong i've got a solid warranty & significant resource to fall back on as without that i'd feel very exposed.Normally aspirated engines can't be tuned much, it's more fuel clean-up as almost all performance cars used to be (not sure now) set-up to run rich.
Just look at the cars DMS work on & i've yet to hear a single piece of bad feedback other than people claiming the claims can't be genuine.
I got an Evolve remap and tested it on an independent dyno.
my E46 M3 made 336BHP on Powerstations Maha dyno. I then loaded up the Evolve map, went for a drive for 50 miles to do a few pulls and put it back on the dyno, it made a staggering 367BHP, same dyno, same day and no link to Evolve.
A genuine 30+ BHP gain for just a map.
my E46 M3 made 336BHP on Powerstations Maha dyno. I then loaded up the Evolve map, went for a drive for 50 miles to do a few pulls and put it back on the dyno, it made a staggering 367BHP, same dyno, same day and no link to Evolve.
A genuine 30+ BHP gain for just a map.
I got an Evolve remap and tested it on an independent dyno.
my E46 M3 made 336BHP on Powerstations Maha dyno. I then loaded up the Evolve map, went for a drive for 50 miles to do a few pulls and put it back on the dyno, it made a staggering 367BHP, same dyno, same day and no link to Evolve.
A genuine 30+ BHP gain for just a map.
my E46 M3 made 336BHP on Powerstations Maha dyno. I then loaded up the Evolve map, went for a drive for 50 miles to do a few pulls and put it back on the dyno, it made a staggering 367BHP, same dyno, same day and no link to Evolve.
A genuine 30+ BHP gain for just a map.
t, why didn't BMW save a load of money on the development of a airbox and different cams for the CSL when they could've just got a re-map.
Ford 2 said:
As above yes that's the funniest thing I've read here today what's the whp ? any dyno can be messed with. Put the engine on a bench and test it it's the only way..that power on an na engine is crazy talk
Why would they mess with the dyno, it was a rolling road day at an independent dyno operator who has nothing to do with a Evolve, they did not even know who did my map. what's the whp ? any dyno can be messed with. Put the engine on a bench and test it it's the only way..that power on an na engine is crazy talk The car ran it made 336BHP, I then flashes the car myself and put it back on same dyno, same day and it made 367BHP.
It's a maha dyno, stock cars were making stock power or pretty spot on. The only change on my car was the map.
As I said again the dyno was spot on and show a clear 30BHP which was all coming in above 6000rpm.
The dyno does not lie and it showed a clear 30BHP change.
The fact you removed the car from the dyno and the re set up could easily throw up a different result. If it was a hub dyno, I could believe it, but an twin roller rolling road type does not accurately measure anything.
I have used several rolling roads and all the operators told me that theirs was accurate. They all gave different flywheel figures! One of those rolling roads was Powerstation's own. Guess which one gave the highest result?
As it happens Powerstation's and Northampton Motorsports were with 2hp of each other for corrected wheel power. The calculated flywheel figure was 37hp different in favour of Powerstation. Some people would take that higher figure and go down the pub and brag about it.
I have used several rolling roads and all the operators told me that theirs was accurate. They all gave different flywheel figures! One of those rolling roads was Powerstation's own. Guess which one gave the highest result?
As it happens Powerstation's and Northampton Motorsports were with 2hp of each other for corrected wheel power. The calculated flywheel figure was 37hp different in favour of Powerstation. Some people would take that higher figure and go down the pub and brag about it.
RWD cossie wil said:
Remapping NA cars is almost pointless, no way in the world will you see 40+ BHP from a simple remap, you would be lucky to see those genuine gains on a forced induction engine!
Except on the C63 which was reduced to 457 bhp and which regularly sees 500+ bhp after remaps. On the V10 I struggle to see the untapped potential unless letting it rev significantly higher than the already very high 8200 rpm limit. Gibbo205 said:
Why would they mess with the dyno, it was a rolling road day at an independent dyno operator who has nothing to do with a Evolve, they did not even know who did my map.
The car ran it made 336BHP, I then flashes the car myself and put it back on same dyno, same day and it made 367BHP.
It's a maha dyno, stock cars were making stock power or pretty spot on. The only change on my car was the map.
As I said again the dyno was spot on and show a clear 30BHP which was all coming in above 6000rpm.
The dyno does not lie and it showed a clear 30BHP change.
Haters will always be haters. I hear of similar gains from Evolve maps & have 1st hand experience of other tuners & an 8% gain from a quality remap on a N/A car is most certainly achievable. Naturally the gains on forced induction cars are much higher, but lets be honest these are going through the roof now on modern engines. I recall on my C5 RS6 a decent remap would offer up 60bhp. Nowadays on BMW's, Audi's, Mercs & Nissans among others, the gains are insane with well over 100bhp being easily achieved with purely a remap. The maps available on E60 M5's when they were a current model were not as good as those available now as some tuners keep refining their maps.The car ran it made 336BHP, I then flashes the car myself and put it back on same dyno, same day and it made 367BHP.
It's a maha dyno, stock cars were making stock power or pretty spot on. The only change on my car was the map.
As I said again the dyno was spot on and show a clear 30BHP which was all coming in above 6000rpm.
The dyno does not lie and it showed a clear 30BHP change.
... then perhaps the measure of a successful remap (NA or FI) is that:
1) It feels more positive
2) It doesn't explode the engine
3) The person paying for it is happy and notices a difference
Given that hp can be "fudged", perhaps marketing it in terms of "feel" would be more accurate?
"My feels improved by 16% after my remap".
My car always feels better after it's been polished and that's probably cheaper than a remap
1) It feels more positive
2) It doesn't explode the engine
3) The person paying for it is happy and notices a difference
Given that hp can be "fudged", perhaps marketing it in terms of "feel" would be more accurate?
"My feels improved by 16% after my remap".
My car always feels better after it's been polished and that's probably cheaper than a remap
- ETA - I've not had any of my cars remapped, but I can see the attraction even to smooth out the delivery in an NA unit.
stevesingo said:
The fact you removed the car from the dyno and the re set up could easily throw up a different result. If it was a hub dyno, I could believe it, but an twin roller rolling road type does not accurately measure anything.
I have used several rolling roads and all the operators told me that theirs was accurate. They all gave different flywheel figures! One of those rolling roads was Powerstation's own. Guess which one gave the highest result?
As it happens Powerstation's and Northampton Motorsports were with 2hp of each other for corrected wheel power. The calculated flywheel figure was 37hp different in favour of Powerstation. Some people would take that higher figure and go down the pub and brag about it.
Also on the same day three other M3's ran, two stock, one stock car made 324BHP but was overdue a service and the other was a 2005 CS model it made bang on stock power of 343BHP. Then a car with Evolve map and CSL box ran, also a CS which made 384BHP.I have used several rolling roads and all the operators told me that theirs was accurate. They all gave different flywheel figures! One of those rolling roads was Powerstation's own. Guess which one gave the highest result?
As it happens Powerstation's and Northampton Motorsports were with 2hp of each other for corrected wheel power. The calculated flywheel figure was 37hp different in favour of Powerstation. Some people would take that higher figure and go down the pub and brag about it.
My car made 336BHP and had recently had inspection 2 so was all fine, it was under stock power due to crappy exhaust on it. But there is no denying that on the same day and simply by just flashing the car, something I did myself and not them, and then re-running the car with same dyno settings it made 367BHP.
People need to get over the actual figures, that's not in discussion and realise what a dyno is for, that is comparing modifications. The dyno showed a clear gain. I went back a few weeks later with CSL exhaust setup on the car, it cured my low down power loss and the car made 378BHP, again the figure is of no interest, but the dyno proved that the crap exhaust was loosing a tonne of power down low and going back stock cured this,
The map alone gave my car 30 horses and enough other cars ran on the day to prove this consider no stock M3 on the day made more than 343BHP yet two cars with Evolve tunes, one my own made 367 and the other made 384, so whether or not you agree with the figures one thing is clear, the gain from the remap is very clear.
Gassing Station | M Power | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff