F10 M5 - grip in the rain on the stock tyres?
Discussion
I got my M5 last March.
I'm finding these days - especially with the colder weather and the ice that is coming along - that the M5 has poor grip! Sure, if I poodle along i'm fine but I really can't seem to get any power down at all. The slightest amount and the TC comes on - I get wheel spin when gently turning out of my drive and corners in general. Any application of power beyond a gentle pushing is met with TC!
Sure, I know it's a lot of power to lay down but I thought there would be a little more grip from the Michelins! I'm just grumbling because i can't hoon it around as much.
(Note - I don't have winter tyres)
I'm finding these days - especially with the colder weather and the ice that is coming along - that the M5 has poor grip! Sure, if I poodle along i'm fine but I really can't seem to get any power down at all. The slightest amount and the TC comes on - I get wheel spin when gently turning out of my drive and corners in general. Any application of power beyond a gentle pushing is met with TC!
Sure, I know it's a lot of power to lay down but I thought there would be a little more grip from the Michelins! I'm just grumbling because i can't hoon it around as much.
(Note - I don't have winter tyres)
Tonyc32 said:
I got my M5 last March.
I'm finding these days - especially with the colder weather and the ice that is coming along - that the M5 has poor grip! Sure, if I poodle along i'm fine but I really can't seem to get any power down at all. The slightest amount and the TC comes on - I get wheel spin when gently turning out of my drive and corners in general. Any application of power beyond a gentle pushing is met with TC!
Sure, I know it's a lot of power to lay down but I thought there would be a little more grip from the Michelins! I'm just grumbling because i can't hoon it around as much.
(Note - I don't have winter tyres)
Winter tyres are the way to go, I had the Michelin Alpin PA4 20" on my LCI M5 made a huge difference, they are now on my M6 GC CP.I'm finding these days - especially with the colder weather and the ice that is coming along - that the M5 has poor grip! Sure, if I poodle along i'm fine but I really can't seem to get any power down at all. The slightest amount and the TC comes on - I get wheel spin when gently turning out of my drive and corners in general. Any application of power beyond a gentle pushing is met with TC!
Sure, I know it's a lot of power to lay down but I thought there would be a little more grip from the Michelins! I'm just grumbling because i can't hoon it around as much.
(Note - I don't have winter tyres)
JMBMWM5 said:
inter tyres are the way to go, I had the Michelin Alpin PA4 20" on my LCI M5 made a huge difference, they are now on my M6 GC CP.
However they still are not going to give the same grip in wet or dry as MPSS in the dry so it may be safer but still will spin up the tyres in all conditionsWinters for me too and they make a massive difference in the cold and wet we can experience currently.
Also bear in mind I've always been told that with such wide summer tyres (and as with any high performance car) the recommended minimum tread depth is at least 3mm otherwise the tyres simply can't shift water quickly enough.
Also bear in mind I've always been told that with such wide summer tyres (and as with any high performance car) the recommended minimum tread depth is at least 3mm otherwise the tyres simply can't shift water quickly enough.
Shaoxter said:
Take the lead out of your shoes. Also I'm not sure it's advisable to hoon around in the rain anyway.
That's my take on the situation too. Not had any issues so far with my MPSS tyres in the wet or cold, however i'd not be venturing out i the snow so i don't expect any problems. I'm not saying Winter tyres are not a good idea, but i've never had any & it's very rare we have bad enough weather to call for them. Perhaps if i lived in the Highlands it may be different but last year we had no snow & pretty mild temps. I found my GT-R faired worse in inclement weather than the F10 M5 does.HoHoHo said:
I'd be very surprised if we had more than a light dusting an F10 M5 would get anywhere on summer tyres.
My E60 535D M Sport didn't move for 6 weeks 3 years ago in the snow we had.......
It couldn't!
I'd not take an M5 out in the snow no matter what rubber it had which negates the need for Winter tyres as only marginal times the benefit would outweigh applying sensibility to my driving style.My E60 535D M Sport didn't move for 6 weeks 3 years ago in the snow we had.......
It couldn't!
She does fine in the wet & cold on her MPSS & if it gets really bad i'll take the Mini
shim said:
In my view high powered cars on winter tyres can be a bit dangerous if the weather is ok to good. If you drive spirited like normal the grip can be much reduced from normal road tyres so I think it is best to probably keep the winter tyres for when the weather really turns BAD!
That's where you need to be sensible much as driving is s
te weather with summer tyres on!Currently we've got water and temperatures hovering around the winter tyre threshold and I'd rather be on winters than summers
I was going to buy a set of winter tyres but decided against it - the only conditions in which I'd need them are heavy snow or ice, and in those conditions I'd either stay at home or take the wife's X5. In all other conditions, the car is so good on MPSS that they're a waste of money IMHO, because you just adjust your driving style to the wet etc without any real compromise (compared to what you'd get with winters).
I put winters on the x5 every year when the temps drop below 8 degrees. Even on that car, you just can't and shouldn't drive it hard because the rubber is softer/the wear rate much higher than summers, and the handling characteristics much lower. So, I reckon that, for anything other than snow or ice, the winters would be more of a pain than anything on the even more powerful M5!
I put winters on the x5 every year when the temps drop below 8 degrees. Even on that car, you just can't and shouldn't drive it hard because the rubber is softer/the wear rate much higher than summers, and the handling characteristics much lower. So, I reckon that, for anything other than snow or ice, the winters would be more of a pain than anything on the even more powerful M5!
Skrambles said:
I was going to buy a set of winter tyres but decided against it - the only conditions in which I'd need them are heavy snow or ice, and in those conditions I'd either stay at home or take the wife's X5. In all other conditions, the car is so good on MPSS that they're a waste of money IMHO, because you just adjust your driving style to the wet etc without any real compromise (compared to what you'd get with winters).
I put winters on the x5 every year when the temps drop below 8 degrees. Even on that car, you just can't and shouldn't drive it hard because the rubber is softer/the wear rate much higher than summers, and the handling characteristics much lower. So, I reckon that, for anything other than snow or ice, the winters would be more of a pain than anything on the even more powerful M5!
Seconded as that's my approach.I put winters on the x5 every year when the temps drop below 8 degrees. Even on that car, you just can't and shouldn't drive it hard because the rubber is softer/the wear rate much higher than summers, and the handling characteristics much lower. So, I reckon that, for anything other than snow or ice, the winters would be more of a pain than anything on the even more powerful M5!
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