F10 M5 £2.6K bill
Discussion
GregorFuk said:
A lot of modern stability control systems are working the back brakes without the driver even perceiving it's happening. These modern systems give the rear brakes a much tougher workout than traditional 'dumb' systems. That could account for the exaggerated wear rate.
Hadn't thought of that - it's why my rear brake pads lasted about 25,000 miles and front ones still going at 43,000 (computer says 1,400 miles left - but has said that for the past 5,000 miles)no wishing to hijack but if you were in this situation and stated that you would do the pads and disks yourself would it invalidate the warranty or service pack in any way ?
anyone know if they use a run out gauge or straight set of verniers to work out whether the discs need changing or not ?
anyone know if they use a run out gauge or straight set of verniers to work out whether the discs need changing or not ?
jackal said:
no wishing to hijack but if you were in this situation and stated that you would do the pads and disks yourself would it invalidate the warranty or service pack in any way ?
anyone know if they use a run out gauge or straight set of verniers to work out whether the discs need changing or not ?
BMW aren't like Porsche you can fit the disks and pads yourself without affecting the warranty.anyone know if they use a run out gauge or straight set of verniers to work out whether the discs need changing or not ?
carlwrighty said:
My F10 is on ceramics - I'm up to 27K and the service computer is telling me that the rear pads need changing in 70k from now and the fronts need changing in 90k from now.
Thats awesome ! 97k from the front pads and 117k from the rears. Plus the potential advantages of ceramics over that distance. I reckon that's a good option choice 
It that's the case with the rear brakes and the stability electronics then why is there not more brake dust on the rear wheels compared with the fronts? My theory is the overall pad contact area is smaller because of the EPB mechanism hence they wear faster - at 42k miles our 640d claimed 22k miles remaining life for rear pads (don't recall it ever being higher than 23k even when the car was new) and 70k remaining for the fronts.
mondie said:
Thats awesome ! 97k from the front pads and 117k from the rears. Plus the potential advantages of ceramics over that distance. I reckon that's a good option choice
Other way round
To be honest it's making me think i 'may' consider ramics on my next car as i'll get 15k miles out of my pads & at BMW list money that's £1k a time so the match starts to make sense.
Got some Pagid RS29's en route form the US for my next pad change so am keen to see the uplift in braking performance.
Jonny TVR said:
Why do the discs only last 34K miles?!
The thick end of 600 horses and two tonnes add up to brakes being a pretty high wear an dtear item, especially if you use all the performance quite often, M5s of all generations can have quite significant variability in the rate at which they will get through brake components due to variations in driving styles. With the advent of traction control systems now able to apply brakes individually and at different loads each corner to maintain stability as well as using the brakes to rein in excesses of power from leadfootedness (most modern performance cars, not M5s specifically), it's pretty easy to go through them quite quickly - and they've never been particularly inexpensive components, specific to the model as they tend to be, with attendant "M tax".
Less right foot and they'll last longer. But then why have an M5, some might wonder...
Proper chuffed as although i managed to kill my rear pads at Donington on Monday, after a few calls i've managed to get them booked in for replacement at a frankly crazy price of £105.
As the warning had gone red i need new sensors which are included in that price. Being consumables i see no need to visit the main dealer so have opted for an Indi M Specialist. Main dealers wanted between £250-280.
My Pagid RS29's are arriving today but will save them for later in the year when i head over to Spa.
As the warning had gone red i need new sensors which are included in that price. Being consumables i see no need to visit the main dealer so have opted for an Indi M Specialist. Main dealers wanted between £250-280.
My Pagid RS29's are arriving today but will save them for later in the year when i head over to Spa.
4941cc said:
The thick end of 600 horses and two tonnes add up to brakes being a pretty high wear an dtear item, especially if you use all the performance quite often, M5s of all generations can have quite significant variability in the rate at which they will get through brake components due to variations in driving styles.
With the advent of traction control systems now able to apply brakes individually and at different loads each corner to maintain stability as well as using the brakes to rein in excesses of power from leadfootedness (most modern performance cars, not M5s specifically), it's pretty easy to go through them quite quickly - and they've never been particularly inexpensive components, specific to the model as they tend to be, with attendant "M tax".
Less right foot and they'll last longer. But then why have an M5, some might wonder...
Thanks 4941ccWith the advent of traction control systems now able to apply brakes individually and at different loads each corner to maintain stability as well as using the brakes to rein in excesses of power from leadfootedness (most modern performance cars, not M5s specifically), it's pretty easy to go through them quite quickly - and they've never been particularly inexpensive components, specific to the model as they tend to be, with attendant "M tax".
Less right foot and they'll last longer. But then why have an M5, some might wonder...
HoHoHo said:
I've just had my first proper service at 16000 miles.
I was quite surprised at the following:
Rear brake pads required at £247 inc fitting and vat. I questioned the cost and was offered a further 10% but also expressed my surprise at the fact I needed them.
I was told when I handed the car key to the service chap to his surprise I also needed new plugs and at which point the service chap scratched his head and wandered off for 5 minutes. He came back and told me the car was ahead of itself by 2 years and I didn't need the plugs......good news.
I called later in the day and I was told the rear pads didn't need changing, they had a load of pad left and I ended up paying for the first proper oil service at around £300 (to include whatever else they do)
The computer now suggests rear brake pads at 25000 miles and fronts shortly before.
Fair play to Vines Gatwick!
Hi HoHoHo.I was quite surprised at the following:
Rear brake pads required at £247 inc fitting and vat. I questioned the cost and was offered a further 10% but also expressed my surprise at the fact I needed them.
I was told when I handed the car key to the service chap to his surprise I also needed new plugs and at which point the service chap scratched his head and wandered off for 5 minutes. He came back and told me the car was ahead of itself by 2 years and I didn't need the plugs......good news.
I called later in the day and I was told the rear pads didn't need changing, they had a load of pad left and I ended up paying for the first proper oil service at around £300 (to include whatever else they do)
The computer now suggests rear brake pads at 25000 miles and fronts shortly before.
Fair play to Vines Gatwick!
Could you kindly confirm that your 16000 mile service cost of £300 included the engine oil or did you supply it yourself? And did they update the reading on the car for time / mileage requirements on service requirements? And do you know if they did any software updates to the car separate tot he vehicle service information.
Thanks.
jcosh said:
Hi HoHoHo.
Could you kindly confirm that your 16000 mile service cost of £300 included the engine oil or did you supply it yourself? And did they update the reading on the car for time / mileage requirements on service requirements? And do you know if they did any software updates to the car separate tot he vehicle service information.
Thanks.
HiCould you kindly confirm that your 16000 mile service cost of £300 included the engine oil or did you supply it yourself? And did they update the reading on the car for time / mileage requirements on service requirements? And do you know if they did any software updates to the car separate tot he vehicle service information.
Thanks.
To answer your questions:
I didn't supply my oil, it was included in the service cost.
I had also mentioned an issue with my infotainment screen rebooting itself and they were going to update/rewrite the I drive software however the car had not registered any faults so they decided not to. They did however update the service schedule subsequently mileage and dates have changed on rear pads etc.
HoHoHo said:
Hi
To answer your questions:
I didn't supply my oil, it was included in the service cost.
I had also mentioned an issue with my infotainment screen rebooting itself and they were going to update/rewrite the I drive software however the car had not registered any faults so they decided not to. They did however update the service schedule subsequently mileage and dates have changed on rear pads etc.
Thanks for the info. It seems there is a bit of 'make it up as we go along' approach to service costs. I have also just had the same 16000 mile service at the same dealer. Can't fault the customer service etc but prices do see erratic. I was originally quoted a much higher number so decided to supply me own oil which bought the price down but all together no different to what you paid with them supplying your oil. To answer your questions:
I didn't supply my oil, it was included in the service cost.
I had also mentioned an issue with my infotainment screen rebooting itself and they were going to update/rewrite the I drive software however the car had not registered any faults so they decided not to. They did however update the service schedule subsequently mileage and dates have changed on rear pads etc.
I asked about any software updates for either ECU's or the Service schedule monitor etc but was told these don't get done unless a customer pays for it extra or if it falls under a warranty claim. All very odd as other cars I own get updates as part of the service included in the cost without even asking. If we were to follow their method then its possible that if a BMW only has routine maintenance through its's life and no requirement for warranty work it could go many years without any software updates. Surely this isn't right especially on a performance M car that must be getting refinements to its ECU's etc all the time? With this attitude from a main dealer I may as well go to an indie if all they are doing is replacing the oil and filters.
Ta
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