F10 M5 Daily Driver??
Discussion
silverous said:
Patrick Bateman said:
It is a valid concern. Couple crap economy with a fuel tank that's too small and your range is hit (e60).
If that is the concern then I can see that point but range or fuel tank weren't mentioned were they?Then get a car that is meant for covering long distances without refuelling. Diesels are good for that. I can't imagine the 911 has a bigger tank/better economy combination and therefore greater range?
Often I hear people worrying about fuel economy on a 60-80k car and (range excepted) I think perhaps they are looking at the wrong car/ballpark if the cost is the factor.
I'm picking one up in a few weeks time and am interested to know the same. It should think that for most owners its hardly going to break the bank if it does 10mpg all day long, but it would get tedious (for me personally) as a daily.
Patrick Bateman said:
It is a valid concern. Couple crap economy with a fuel tank that's too small and your range is hit (e60).
Agreed: it is a valid concern, from the perspective of inconvenience - the range of the e60 was crap and having to fill it up every few days was a hassle.The f10 has much, much better mpg, which (when combined with the larger tank than the e60) means bigger intervals between fill-ups.
jackal said:
Boo's Dad said:
Guys,
I'm thinking of getting a circa 15-20K miles F10 M5 for use as my daily driver. What real world mpg can I expect and will I be disappointed with the handling / weight? Currently use a 997 GTS so obviously I don't expect it to handle as well as that but I'd hate to buy one and be really disappointed!
Any thoughts? Thanks.
The subjective feel of the car won't be up to the GTS. It does not have the nimbleness, the precision, the delicacy, intimacy nor the "instrument-like" quality of a good 911. It's also not rear engined of course os it misses out on all the dimensionality and depth of experience that that brings to the Godlike 911.I'm thinking of getting a circa 15-20K miles F10 M5 for use as my daily driver. What real world mpg can I expect and will I be disappointed with the handling / weight? Currently use a 997 GTS so obviously I don't expect it to handle as well as that but I'd hate to buy one and be really disappointed!
Any thoughts? Thanks.
It's heavy, a little blunt and lacking in real feedback/feel but for a heavy car of this type my feeling is that it manages pretty well and BMW have been able to engineer quite a bit of character into the car, esp the drivetrain.
And talking of the drivetrain, a few squirts in sport+ and you will forgive any grievances you might have for other aspects of the car. The box and engine are quite breathtaking and the rate that the thing can munch ground is simply laugh out loud ridiculous. A standard car will outrun a 997 Turbo S so its going to be a big leap up from your GTS.
Would I have one as an only car ? I am not so sure about that. Yes it's an amazing car, an amazing daily drive and a fabulous place to be in every single day but it doesn't really nail the 'special drivers car' thing. But then its a 4 door saloon based on a mass production platform and one should manage their expectations accordingly. It also needs a huge huge road to make it come alive. When you do find that road and start to string a few bends and straights together with maximum throttle, maximum braking and maximum grip then you are going far far too fast than anyone should ever really go on any UK road.
So opportunities to really stretch the beasts legs are few and far between and many journeys in the car can be a fairly sober lesson really in restraint. I tend to offset that though by using the gears a lot, enjoying the sound, the pops and blips and kicking the tail out here and there for giggles. The car has a ton of presence and lots of special character. I always remind myself that its a daily, carries 4 people and has a huge boot. When you think of it like that, you can only smile to yourself and love the thing.
Final footnote. Yes, the M5 does not have the purity and intimacy of good drivers car but what it does have is a purity of handling. IN a textbook sense the handling is at least the equal of your GTS. Engine in the front, rear wheels driven. The breakaway is amazingly progressive and linear, the chassis is extremely well balanced, you have power on tap to overwhelm the car at any given moment, its completely driveable on the throttle and although it will eventually understeer in certain scenarios, you can easily drive through this with the right foot. If you are prepared to exploit all of that, then its actually fun in a way that many other of the best drivers car aren't.
Edited by jackal on Friday 6th March 17:12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9uNSf5lROM
I agree that if you're worried about fuel consumption on a cost basis then the M5 is not for you. However, I would discount a car if its consumption required me visiting the petrol station every couple of days or so.
I personally get 350 - 400 miles per tank, requiring one visit per week. This is acceptable IMO
I personally get 350 - 400 miles per tank, requiring one visit per week. This is acceptable IMO
evojam said:
As good as an F10 M5 is I highly doubt it will outrun an 997 turbo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9uNSf5lROM
It wouldn't, especially from a standing start where the turbo has a massive traction advantage. Those M5board videos always remove the AWD advantage.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9uNSf5lROM
The acceleration in 997 PDK turbo and turbo S is on a different level.
evojam said:
As good as an F10 M5 is I highly doubt it will outrun an 997 turbo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9uNSf5lROM
In that video the M5 dumps the gear in the first half second and then drops completely out of the power band. Complete balls up and very obvious for all to see and hear. Even an E60 M5 would have fared a bit better than that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9uNSf5lROM
Look harder (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zHQVIGxFM4 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4HAGKNrB94), they are actually very close once rolling. I've driven an S pdk before and the first time I pinned my M5 it actually felt more brutal and more powerful, which it is.
One of the US chaps in fact owns a 991 Turbo and still reckons the F10 pulls harder in some gears. Past around 130mph out and out BHP will always rule and the M5 has lots of it, way more than the claimed figures and about 100 more than the Turbo S.
Edited by jackal on Saturday 7th March 19:18
Real world mpg: close to 30 on the motorway, mid-teens in town. I average around 21-22 overall.
Yes, it's big and heavy and stupidly fast. Jackal pretty much nails it.
Like all high performance stuff nowadays, the powertrain and electronics dominate proceedings. M-Dynamic Mode lets it off the leash a little. In the early days, I used to switch everything off but soon realised it's just too big and powerful to gather up on public roads, so MDM is an acceptable compromise.
Lovely cabin, nice toys, great to live with every day. A bit wide for this country. Supermarket carparks and school-run mums are the enemy.
These days I find myself surfing the classifieds either for an E39 M5 to replacement it or a German high performance bi-turbo diesel. It doesn't mean I think it's a bad car, far from it, it's superb. I just don't think it's easy to do it justice in the overcrowded South East.
Yes, it's big and heavy and stupidly fast. Jackal pretty much nails it.
Like all high performance stuff nowadays, the powertrain and electronics dominate proceedings. M-Dynamic Mode lets it off the leash a little. In the early days, I used to switch everything off but soon realised it's just too big and powerful to gather up on public roads, so MDM is an acceptable compromise.
Lovely cabin, nice toys, great to live with every day. A bit wide for this country. Supermarket carparks and school-run mums are the enemy.
These days I find myself surfing the classifieds either for an E39 M5 to replacement it or a German high performance bi-turbo diesel. It doesn't mean I think it's a bad car, far from it, it's superb. I just don't think it's easy to do it justice in the overcrowded South East.
jackal said:
In that video the M5 dumps the gear in the first half second and then drops completely out of the power band. Complete balls up and very obvious for all to see and hear. Even an E60 M5 would have fared a bit better than that.
Look harder (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zHQVIGxFM4 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4HAGKNrB94), they are actually very close once rolling. I've driven an S pdk before and the first time I pinned my M5 it actually felt more brutal and more powerful, which it is.
One of the US chaps in fact owns a 991 Turbo and still reckons the F10 pulls harder in some gears. Past around 130mph out and out BHP will always rule and the M5 has lots of it, way more than the claimed figures and about 100 more than the Turbo S.
Looks good and there's no questioning it's pace,but how often can you use it?I'm sure I can have just as much fun punting my old M5 3.6 along hanging the arse out on the odd roundabout as you can in its 600bhp 2 tonne younger brother!Look harder (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zHQVIGxFM4 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4HAGKNrB94), they are actually very close once rolling. I've driven an S pdk before and the first time I pinned my M5 it actually felt more brutal and more powerful, which it is.
One of the US chaps in fact owns a 991 Turbo and still reckons the F10 pulls harder in some gears. Past around 130mph out and out BHP will always rule and the M5 has lots of it, way more than the claimed figures and about 100 more than the Turbo S.
Edited by jackal on Saturday 7th March 19:18
evojam said:
Looks good and there's no questioning it's pace,but how often can you use it?I'm sure I can have just as much fun punting my old M5 3.6 along hanging the arse out on the odd roundabout as you can in its 600bhp 2 tonne younger brother!
All M cars are fun of that there is no doubt.Edited by Wills2 on Saturday 7th March 23:25
Wills2 said:
It is nicely fitted out, but it's not mine that's the dealers handover room! (I wish my garage looked like that)
Lloyd colne supplied the car, the interior is individual Platinum merino extended looks very much like Silverstone in the picture but is a much warmer lemony cream in real life. It also extends down the sides of the centre console and covers the lower half of the dash as well and the rear of the seats compared to the standard leather.
Very nice. A friend of mine has the Individual Platinum on his 525D & it is a lovely colour. Just watch the dye transfer as occurred very quickly on my 1st F10 M5 with Silverstone which was one of the reasons i went for Sakhir on the second one, albeit though after 10k miles that's showing more than i'd have hopedLloyd colne supplied the car, the interior is individual Platinum merino extended looks very much like Silverstone in the picture but is a much warmer lemony cream in real life. It also extends down the sides of the centre console and covers the lower half of the dash as well and the rear of the seats compared to the standard leather.
Edited by Wills2 on Friday 6th March 10:43
silverous said:
I do find it odd when people want to buy a car like this then get concerned about mpg. If you can afford the car is the petrol an issue?
Anyway, surely the best way to tell if you will like it or not is to try one? I seem to recall that you can borrow an M5 (or any Beemer) - I think the theory is that you rent it fro, BMW for a few days. I'm sure I read some dealers did this without charge if they felt someone was serious, but worst case you spend hundreds as opposed to tens of thousands on a car you aren't hapoy with?
I used to agree with that thought process, but as i get older & thus grumpier i see fuel in the UK more as a tax than a benefit as we all know the true cost of a litre of Shell Nitro+ is about 40p but we spunk a further 90p to our delightful Government for the pure 'benefit' of driving our cars. I hate paying too much for anything & hate even more to waste money so i don't like paying RFL/Car Insurance to Fuel Tax & any scenario where i can save a few ££'s makes me happy.Anyway, surely the best way to tell if you will like it or not is to try one? I seem to recall that you can borrow an M5 (or any Beemer) - I think the theory is that you rent it fro, BMW for a few days. I'm sure I read some dealers did this without charge if they felt someone was serious, but worst case you spend hundreds as opposed to tens of thousands on a car you aren't hapoy with?
That said, the fact the F10 M5 gives you the option to cruise at 80mph & return 30mpg is of course a good think, but balanced with the realisation that when i get excited i can kiss those fuel savings goodbye
Has anyone gone through the 535d v M5 scenario.
I have recently bought an F11 535d sport touring. My wife has decided that we are going to keep our E70 X5 so the need for the touring disappears. So i have the choice of keeping the 535d as my daily driver or chopping it in for an F10 M5.
The 535d is undoubtedly quick - but silent in the process. It pulls very well in every gear and using the paddles makes for rapid progress. But there's no aural sensation or involvement.
How do you gents with M5s view your car. Do you have thoughts of i can do all of this in a 535d.....or are the moments you can truly enjoy the full fat M5 experience regular enough to reward you.
Anyone have a feel for maintenance on the M5 once out of warranty?
Put another way, does/has anyone with an M5 gone to a 535d and vice versa?
Nice examples on the AUC site around the £40-£45k mark. MPG not a huge issue mid to late teens is acceptable.
Cheers
I have recently bought an F11 535d sport touring. My wife has decided that we are going to keep our E70 X5 so the need for the touring disappears. So i have the choice of keeping the 535d as my daily driver or chopping it in for an F10 M5.
The 535d is undoubtedly quick - but silent in the process. It pulls very well in every gear and using the paddles makes for rapid progress. But there's no aural sensation or involvement.
How do you gents with M5s view your car. Do you have thoughts of i can do all of this in a 535d.....or are the moments you can truly enjoy the full fat M5 experience regular enough to reward you.
Anyone have a feel for maintenance on the M5 once out of warranty?
Put another way, does/has anyone with an M5 gone to a 535d and vice versa?
Nice examples on the AUC site around the £40-£45k mark. MPG not a huge issue mid to late teens is acceptable.
Cheers
LOL, I have been surfing the classifieds for a 535d / A6/A7 BiTDi / A8 4.2 . I figured I get my kicks out of other cars, the M5 does mundane daily work and rarely gets a proper work out so why not downsize the power plant and the costs....
I do enjoy the mad acceleration when the rare occasion arises to give it some, but it's not a particularly delicate driving instrument, and a big fat wodge of diesel torque also has its own appeal for a family wagon.
I do enjoy the mad acceleration when the rare occasion arises to give it some, but it's not a particularly delicate driving instrument, and a big fat wodge of diesel torque also has its own appeal for a family wagon.
Singh911 said:
Has anyone gone through the 535d v M5 scenario.
I have recently bought an F11 535d sport touring. My wife has decided that we are going to keep our E70 X5 so the need for the touring disappears. So i have the choice of keeping the 535d as my daily driver or chopping it in for an F10 M5.
The 535d is undoubtedly quick - but silent in the process. It pulls very well in every gear and using the paddles makes for rapid progress. But there's no aural sensation or involvement.
How do you gents with M5s view your car. Do you have thoughts of i can do all of this in a 535d.....or are the moments you can truly enjoy the full fat M5 experience regular enough to reward you.
Anyone have a feel for maintenance on the M5 once out of warranty?
Put another way, does/has anyone with an M5 gone to a 535d and vice versa?
Nice examples on the AUC site around the £40-£45k mark. MPG not a huge issue mid to late teens is acceptable.
Cheers
Had 6 years with two 535dm (E60/ F10) and then the F10 M5. Completely different cars. I think the only reason I was happy with the 535's was the fact that during those years I had TVR's as second cars. I don't have a second car with the M5 and do around 25K miles a year. I found that there were many times in my 535dm when I wished I was in my TVR to enjoy a good road, but now I'm always in the right car and enjoy driving more as a result. Just had a bill for £2.6K for service, front discs and pads so its not cheap to run, but depends how you drive. I lease the BMW's. I have recently bought an F11 535d sport touring. My wife has decided that we are going to keep our E70 X5 so the need for the touring disappears. So i have the choice of keeping the 535d as my daily driver or chopping it in for an F10 M5.
The 535d is undoubtedly quick - but silent in the process. It pulls very well in every gear and using the paddles makes for rapid progress. But there's no aural sensation or involvement.
How do you gents with M5s view your car. Do you have thoughts of i can do all of this in a 535d.....or are the moments you can truly enjoy the full fat M5 experience regular enough to reward you.
Anyone have a feel for maintenance on the M5 once out of warranty?
Put another way, does/has anyone with an M5 gone to a 535d and vice versa?
Nice examples on the AUC site around the £40-£45k mark. MPG not a huge issue mid to late teens is acceptable.
Cheers
Singh911 said:
How do you gents with M5s view your car. Do you have thoughts of i can do all of this in a 535d.....or are the moments you can truly enjoy the full fat M5 experience regular enough to reward you.
I went through that. My thinking was either get a daily smoke for about 10k or spend 50k+ and get what i really wanted, an M5. Nowt inbetween and that incldued a 535d.A big part of the M5 is M5 ownership. Knowing what you're in, being in it and being part of that club. Also, see my post above, the M5 does have a lot of character in the drivetrain. I just went to the post office and back in mine. A few upshifts, some nice blips, a loud pop here and there aginst a wall, a playful wiggle emerging from a T junction ... it does engage on almost every journey in a way a 535d just couldn't.
I've always wanted an M5 and you guys are selling it to me (especially the trip to the post office, sounded way better than most of my trips to the post office). I've been regretting not taking up, and holding out for, a return of the amazing lease deals on them. Anyone strongly of the view that that is / isn't likely ?
Countdown - done a deal on one today. Thanks for all the input. In true PH fashion the man math worked out Today's drive finalised the thoughts in my head - lovely 50 mile round trip to watch my daughter play rugby(!) in the Berkshire countryside and some great driving roads. The 535d was silent but deadly - there's no doubting the pace of it but there's not enough involvement, dead steering and no noise.
Jackal - I'm going to end up with a garage that mirrors yours!
Will put up pix when it arrives.
Cheers
Today's drive finalised the thoughts in my head - lovely 50 mile round trip to watch my daughter play rugby(!) in the Berkshire countryside and some great driving roads. The 535d was silent but deadly - there's no doubting the pace of it but there's not enough involvement, dead steering and no noise. Jackal - I'm going to end up with a garage that mirrors yours!
Will put up pix when it arrives.
Cheers
Edited by Singh911 on Monday 9th March 17:42
Edited by Singh911 on Monday 9th March 17:42
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