M3/4 in the wet
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bennyboysvuk said:
theboss said:
The important bit.
I'd love to know what 'real world' a 335xd is quicker than an M3/M4 in. Is this some sort of parallel universe PHers refer to?
I assume they mean in comparison to driving a NA M3 I'd love to know what 'real world' a 335xd is quicker than an M3/M4 in. Is this some sort of parallel universe PHers refer to?
HoHoHo said:
bennyboysvuk said:
theboss said:
The important bit.
I'd love to know what 'real world' a 335xd is quicker than an M3/M4 in. Is this some sort of parallel universe PHers refer to?
I assume they mean in comparison to driving a NA M3 I'd love to know what 'real world' a 335xd is quicker than an M3/M4 in. Is this some sort of parallel universe PHers refer to?
At 3k rpm an E92 M3 is making 150hp. Whereas a 335d is making around 220 at the same revs.
Unless when you said 'hasn't started his engine yet' to mean it's being used at less than 3000rpm?
Helicopter123 said:
Not really real world though is it? What about 50 - 70 overtake in the wet?
Well it's only really off the line that the 335d has any real traction advantage / hope .... The lighter M3 has similar torque and finds plenty of traction (if not quite total traction) once you're in 3rd at 50mph - even in the wet. Subjectively it's still a win to the M car and personally, I've manually stuck it in 3rd for these scenarios and used more torque! I have had a 0-130 lepton play with a Mitsi Evo FQ360 on a dual carriageway and the M3 was significantly quicker once over 30 leptons - so with that as a yardstick, I wouldn't worry about a 335d ....
MadMarkM3 said:
Well it's only really off the line that the 335d has any real traction advantage / hope .... The lighter M3 has similar torque and finds plenty of traction (if not quite total traction) once you're in 3rd at 50mph - even in the wet. Subjectively it's still a win to the M car and personally, I've manually stuck it in 3rd for these scenarios and used more torque!
I have had a 0-130 lepton play with a Mitsi Evo FQ360 on a dual carriageway and the M3 was significantly quicker once over 30 leptons - so with that as a yardstick, I wouldn't worry about a 335d ....
You might worry about one of these though, I reckon you'd still win but it'd be a lot tighterI have had a 0-130 lepton play with a Mitsi Evo FQ360 on a dual carriageway and the M3 was significantly quicker once over 30 leptons - so with that as a yardstick, I wouldn't worry about a 335d ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRAeL8qgSM
ZX10R NIN said:
You might worry about one of these though, I reckon you'd still win but it'd be a lot tighter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRAeL8qgSM
Oh yes a serious piece of kit and was a realistic option before I ordered the M3! A lovely car - but I preferred the chassis set up and engine of the M3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRAeL8qgSM
MadMarkM3 said:
Oh yes a serious piece of kit and was a realistic option before I ordered the M3! A lovely car - but I preferred the chassis set up and engine of the M3.
Funny the OH went the other way & bought the D3 to replace her C63, I hear you on the engine noise the D3 is okay(great for a diesel) I have this little thought every now & then that as good as the D3 is the B3 would have been the pick of the bunch.Edited by ZX10R NIN on Friday 17th April 16:13
ZX10R NIN said:
Funny the OH went the other way & bought the D3 to replace her C63, I hear you on the engine noise the D3 is okay(great for a diesel) I have this little thought every now & then that as good as the D£ is the B3 would have been the pick of the bunch.
I guess the B3 might be the sweet spot - but as they make so few - I wasn't even able to get a test drive (unlike the D3). That and the long waiting list for a "built to order spec" meant it wasn't viable .... Shame! 
Helicopter123 said:
MadMarkM3 said:
F80 M3/M4, 0-100 = 8.5-8.7 seconds (on published figures)
335d, 0-100 = 12.9-13.1 seconds (on published figures)
'Nuff said?
Not really real world though is it? What about 50 - 70 overtake in the wet?335d, 0-100 = 12.9-13.1 seconds (on published figures)
'Nuff said?
bennyboysvuk said:
Helicopter123 said:
MadMarkM3 said:
F80 M3/M4, 0-100 = 8.5-8.7 seconds (on published figures)
335d, 0-100 = 12.9-13.1 seconds (on published figures)
'Nuff said?
Not really real world though is it? What about 50 - 70 overtake in the wet?335d, 0-100 = 12.9-13.1 seconds (on published figures)
'Nuff said?
MadMarkM3 said:
I guess the B3 might be the sweet spot - but as they make so few - I wasn't even able to get a test drive (unlike the D3). That and the long waiting list for a "built to order spec" meant it wasn't viable .... Shame!
Same here I wasn't even aware of the D3 until I saw one at a showroom & was told there wasn't a B3 in the UK at the time to test drive.MadMarkM3 said:
Helicopter123 said:
Not really real world though is it? What about 50 - 70 overtake in the wet?
Well it's only really off the line that the 335d has any real traction advantage / hope .... The lighter M3 has similar torque and finds plenty of traction (if not quite total traction) once you're in 3rd at 50mph - even in the wet. Subjectively it's still a win to the M car and personally, I've manually stuck it in 3rd for these scenarios and used more torque! I have had a 0-130 lepton play with a Mitsi Evo FQ360 on a dual carriageway and the M3 was significantly quicker once over 30 leptons - so with that as a yardstick, I wouldn't worry about a 335d ....
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