Carbon ceramic brake discs for BMW M models.
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Look what I got in the post this morning! 
Have you ever seen a sexier caliper than this?
I'm doing some market research for my friend, Wolfgang Dietz, of SICOM brakes to see if there is a market and demand for this type of product in the UK like there has been in the M.E Gulf States for them.
SICOM have the facilities to provide a ceramic disc refurbishment for all cars with ceramic discs (rather than buying a new set for €25,000 or whatever they cost) as well as providing race proven, high quality discs, pads and FULL kits for significantly less than what official dealers charge.
https://twitter.com/SicomBRAKESUK
Apologies for the shameless advertising but it's about time that we had available good quality after market suppliers (outside of Brembo) for this type of product.
Have you ever seen a sexier caliper than this?
I'm doing some market research for my friend, Wolfgang Dietz, of SICOM brakes to see if there is a market and demand for this type of product in the UK like there has been in the M.E Gulf States for them.
SICOM have the facilities to provide a ceramic disc refurbishment for all cars with ceramic discs (rather than buying a new set for €25,000 or whatever they cost) as well as providing race proven, high quality discs, pads and FULL kits for significantly less than what official dealers charge.
https://twitter.com/SicomBRAKESUK
Apologies for the shameless advertising but it's about time that we had available good quality after market suppliers (outside of Brembo) for this type of product.
Edited by Schermerhorn on Monday 20th April 15:52
Edited by Schermerhorn on Monday 20th April 16:32
Beedub said:
holy crap thats awesome...
can they make me some CC rotors for my AP BBk????
If the standard 380mm discs we see on the E92 can fit then they will be fine.can they make me some CC rotors for my AP BBk????
However, if we require custom bells (the discs are the same, the bell has to change due to the offset) we need orders for at least 5 sets in advance before commencing production and distribution.
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Hi
Sorry for the late response.
These discs are 380mm in size and 40mm in thickness. SICOM do discs that go all the way up to 420mm and around 45mm in thickness.
For the E46 M3 we have no specifically fitting part number but in theory these 'could' fit although they are E92 compatible.
For new specific lines (for the E46 M3 for example) we would need 5 firm orders with a deposit placed.
The majority of that money goes into R&D and TUV approval (German testing) before going into the market place. The upshot is for 5 firm orders you get a 15% discount!
Sorry for the late response.
These discs are 380mm in size and 40mm in thickness. SICOM do discs that go all the way up to 420mm and around 45mm in thickness.
For the E46 M3 we have no specifically fitting part number but in theory these 'could' fit although they are E92 compatible.
For new specific lines (for the E46 M3 for example) we would need 5 firm orders with a deposit placed.
The majority of that money goes into R&D and TUV approval (German testing) before going into the market place. The upshot is for 5 firm orders you get a 15% discount!
Hi guys
Nothing for the E46 M3 as of yet.....however if we had 5 firm orders/deposits we can put them into production and turn around within 6-10 weeks.
They will fit the BMW 1M...interchangeable with the E92 M3 as all clearances are the same between the two.
Prices for the BMW range are on here
http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/bmw.html
If you used them purely for the road, they would easily exceed 100,000 miles.
For track road they are awesome. SICOM ran a Porsche 911 GT2 RS over 98 Nurburgring laps over a weekend and the pedal never went long. The only things changed were 2 sets of tyres and the brake fluid was replaced with Le Mans spec fluid at the very start.
We also have a 911 GT3 RS test car that is running refurbished discs that has done numerous races, endurance and durability tests and no fade whatsoever.
Please check out the following for all the latest pictures and updates
https://mobile.twitter.com/SicomBRAKESUK
Nothing for the E46 M3 as of yet.....however if we had 5 firm orders/deposits we can put them into production and turn around within 6-10 weeks.
They will fit the BMW 1M...interchangeable with the E92 M3 as all clearances are the same between the two.
Prices for the BMW range are on here
http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/bmw.html
If you used them purely for the road, they would easily exceed 100,000 miles.
For track road they are awesome. SICOM ran a Porsche 911 GT2 RS over 98 Nurburgring laps over a weekend and the pedal never went long. The only things changed were 2 sets of tyres and the brake fluid was replaced with Le Mans spec fluid at the very start.
We also have a 911 GT3 RS test car that is running refurbished discs that has done numerous races, endurance and durability tests and no fade whatsoever.
Please check out the following for all the latest pictures and updates
https://mobile.twitter.com/SicomBRAKESUK
What pads can it run? Or only those specific to the disk?
Trying to workout if over the life of ceramic these would actually work out cheaper that iron if used daily and for trackdays
Any special maintainence or setup required? If they last for ages don't want to induce wobble under braking and ruin them. My 356mm k sport kit is at the end of its life and has wobble when very hot. Possible due to out of tolerance runout when initially installed?
How does it cope with weight? My e46 is about 1600kg 550bhp. Or specific to lightweight race applications?
Any additional or major ducting required?
How do they work on the road? Car will become a duel purpose daily/track before too long so needs to have good road manners
Trying to workout if over the life of ceramic these would actually work out cheaper that iron if used daily and for trackdays
Any special maintainence or setup required? If they last for ages don't want to induce wobble under braking and ruin them. My 356mm k sport kit is at the end of its life and has wobble when very hot. Possible due to out of tolerance runout when initially installed?
How does it cope with weight? My e46 is about 1600kg 550bhp. Or specific to lightweight race applications?
Any additional or major ducting required?
How do they work on the road? Car will become a duel purpose daily/track before too long so needs to have good road manners
e46m3c said:
What pads can it run? Or only those specific to the disk?
For refurbished discs, just use the same calipers and OEM pads.For SICOM's own branded disc, you have to use their specific caliper and the required pads. As with any other road car
e46m3c said:
Trying to workout if over the life of ceramic these would actually work out cheaper that iron if used daily and for trackdays
It depends on how many track days you intend to use. Steel discs don't really stand up to the job and the pedal can go long after a few laps. Ceramic discs (regardless of brand) last much longer. Our own GT2 RS did 98 laps over a weekend on the Nurburgring without the pedal going mushy. It must be stressed that those laps were done by professional drivers who knew the exact warm up/cool down procedures for ceramic discs.e46m3c said:
Any special maintainence or setup required? If they last for ages don't want to induce wobble under braking and ruin them. My 356mm k sport kit is at the end of its life and has wobble when very hot. Possible due to out of tolerance runout when initially installed?
They are farily maintenence free although for track use you need to bring up the temperatures up properly (no immediate hot laps straight out of the box etc) and cool down accordingly. This prevents wobble and uneven wear on the surface. Yours are wobbling because the surface is uneven and there is no even surface temperature across the surface of the disc. If you got an infared camera you would see heat spots in different areas.Do they look like this?
e46m3c said:
How does it cope with weight? My e46 is about 1600kg 550bhp. Or specific to lightweight race applications?
Weight is not an issue. Believe it or not, weight helps with stability but hampers acceleration and cornering. We even had one Qatari customer who wanted 400mm discs/pads/calipers/cooling kit all around for his fleet of Rolls Royces. Based on the data we had, they would have stood up exceptionally well in the Middle Eastern heat but unfortunately contact sort was of....erm....patchy.e46m3c said:
Any additional or major ducting required?
If you intend regular track work, it's worth getting the cooling kit too
e46m3c said:
How do they work on the road? Car will become a duel purpose daily/track before too long so needs to have good road manners
They work just as well as any other ceramic discs although use a slightly denser material. If you look at a Brembo disc and our disc, ours has a higher carbon:silicon ratio than the competitors. This is optimum for track use but takes slightly longer to get up to temperature for road use. However, once up to temperature, the temperature is held evenly, in a more stable manner (no fluctuations etc) and for longer. From a pure cold point initial braking phase, I would say Brembo is slightly better but the difference is about 3-4 presses of the brake pedal from 30mph or so.Hope this helps. Any more questions please feel free to ask, I'll do my best to answer
e46m3c said:
Just a couple more questions if you don't mind. How long do the pads last? Are they also susceptible to heat spots? Finally. How bad are they cold? Lots of cars run ceramic these days from the factor for road cars. I presume it's perfectly usable in commuter traffic?
Depends purely on driving style. Pads wear out quicker than discs - just like steel discs and pads. The GT2 RS we ran on the Nurburgring that did 98 laps was running the same discs and pads all weekend. They stood up to some serious abuse. e46m3c said:
Are they also susceptible to heat spots?
None recorded in the data. Only time you get heat spots are when ceramic discs are warping (due to surface material losss). Pads wear evenly if the disc surface is even and vice versa.e46m3c said:
Just a couple more questions if you don't mind. How long do the pads last? Are they also susceptible to heat spots? Finally. How bad are they cold? Lots of cars run ceramic these days from the factor for road cars. I presume it's perfectly usable in commuter traffic?
e46m3c said:
Finally. How bad are they cold? Lots of cars run ceramic these days from the factor for road cars.
You mean from a cold start? The same as any road car with steel discs. You wont need any extra brake pedal pressure etc. In comparison to other ceramic discs, perhaps slightly less effecient from the first gentle few cold stops but once temperature is built into the ceramic disc - it HOLDS that temperture better (less fluctuation in Centigrade) - they stop better than other discs over whereas other ceramic discs need more modulation to retain more heat more of the time.Gassing Station | M Power | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff