The beauty of having a warranty.
Discussion
I was interested in what sort of actuators would cause a misfire too .
Personally I would always have a warranty on a performance car to start with as I have always tended to find problems post purchase ( and I've always bought auc or opc etc ) . For a car I use occasionally I don't bother . But I've always had vfm from BMW warranties e.g new wheels on an e39 m5 due to paint issues , turbos on the wife's 135 and water pump and numerous injectors and a new hood etc and never had an issue with claims .
I never ran either of my e60 m5's without bmw warranties and I slept soundly but ironically only claimed once , for a sat nav drive ...
Personally I would always have a warranty on a performance car to start with as I have always tended to find problems post purchase ( and I've always bought auc or opc etc ) . For a car I use occasionally I don't bother . But I've always had vfm from BMW warranties e.g new wheels on an e39 m5 due to paint issues , turbos on the wife's 135 and water pump and numerous injectors and a new hood etc and never had an issue with claims .
I never ran either of my e60 m5's without bmw warranties and I slept soundly but ironically only claimed once , for a sat nav drive ...
Schermerhorn said:
Annual warranty is about £1000. Mine is still under the original warranty that I bought with the car. It was a 24 month cover.
Discs, pads, tyres etc were not warranty covered items. It was part of the AUC sale preparation and totalled £3995.00. That is money I did not have to spend.
Had I not gone the AUC route, I dare say I wouldnt have seen a 'better' prepared pre-sale car.
The warranty gives the peace of mind
If people don't want a warranty, that is fine. Save yourself £X amount per year and spend it on towards a holiday. Horses for courses.
However, my point is that is better to have one on any performance car. The S85 engine is totally unique. It doesn't share any parts with other BMW models. Specialists are few and far between and will charge a lot of money. The warranty takes that concern away.
Would you not agree that it's better to have on, that not, on such a car?
If you have a warranty, and never have had to use it - excellent news. However, sod's law the moment it expires, something goes wrong and you end up having to spend thousands on the car.
That's fair enough, and if I had a V10-engined M-car then I'd probably consider a warranty tooDiscs, pads, tyres etc were not warranty covered items. It was part of the AUC sale preparation and totalled £3995.00. That is money I did not have to spend.
Had I not gone the AUC route, I dare say I wouldnt have seen a 'better' prepared pre-sale car.
The warranty gives the peace of mind
If people don't want a warranty, that is fine. Save yourself £X amount per year and spend it on towards a holiday. Horses for courses.
However, my point is that is better to have one on any performance car. The S85 engine is totally unique. It doesn't share any parts with other BMW models. Specialists are few and far between and will charge a lot of money. The warranty takes that concern away.
Would you not agree that it's better to have on, that not, on such a car?
If you have a warranty, and never have had to use it - excellent news. However, sod's law the moment it expires, something goes wrong and you end up having to spend thousands on the car.
Edited by Schermerhorn on Thursday 23 April 13:02
However, like others have said, it's not the same case for ALL performance cars, and for my circumstances it would have cost me a lot more in warranty charges over the last 4.5 years for my CSL than I've had to spend on it. I personally prefer preventative maintenance, regular servicing by a specialist, and a fund should bad things happen. That's my own peace of mind
In saying that, I'd love to have a warranty for my E30, as that thing knows my credit card number off by heart at this stage...
Schermerhorn said:
Discs, pads, tyres etc were not warranty covered items. It was part of the AUC sale preparation and totalled £3995.00. That is money I did not have to spend.
Completely agree with you regard the benefits of having a BMW warranty on an E9X M3 but f
k me £3995 for tyres, discs and pads, someone was either taking the piss or telling porkies. You can get MPSS all round fitted for £900
Discs and pads should be no more than £1500 fitted!
TheHound said:
Schermerhorn said:
Discs, pads, tyres etc were not warranty covered items. It was part of the AUC sale preparation and totalled £3995.00. That is money I did not have to spend.
Completely agree with you regard the benefits of having a BMW warranty on an E9X M3 but fk me £3995 for tyres, discs and pads, someone was either taking the piss or telling porkies. You can get MPSS all round fitted for £900
Discs and pads should be no more than £1500 fitted!
The warranty too gives that reassurance that if something goes pop, it can be sorted out without putting a dent in my pocket.
jcolley said:
Between that and the utter inability of the majority of BMW technicians to diagnose these cars, there's the reason our resale values are in the toilet and problems take 5-6 visits to get sorted.
So perfectly put, and so true. I'd love to buy another E63 M6, they are a truly superb car with a unique character that's lacking in it's turbocharged replacement. But during my all to brief ownership, it became very clear most techicians weren't anything of the sort, they were merely fitters who had little or no knowledge of what makes these cars tick, accordingly they had no idea how to diagnose the issues that can and do afflict them.
A real shame these cars will become dinosaurs as they fall out of warranty and fall into the hands of those that can't afford the stratospheric repair bills.
A quick question JC, does carrying out a KDS alignment require plugging into/full functionality of the OBD port ?
Schermerhorn said:
Had I not gone the AUC route, I dare say I wouldnt have seen a 'better' prepared pre-sale car.
Eh, I thought you consistently stated the supplying dealer had been negligent in the preparation of your car prior to placing the AUC warranty on it ? ? ? ?
Slippydiff said:
jcolley said:
Between that and the utter inability of the majority of BMW technicians to diagnose these cars, there's the reason our resale values are in the toilet and problems take 5-6 visits to get sorted.
So perfectly put, and so true. I'd love to buy another E63 M6, they are a truly superb car with a unique character that's lacking in it's turbocharged replacement. But during my all to brief ownership, it became very clear most techicians weren't anything of the sort, they were merely fitters who had little or no knowledge of what makes these cars tick, accordingly they had no idea how to diagnose the issues that can and do afflict them.
A real shame these cars will become dinosaurs as they fall out of warranty and fall into the hands of those that can't afford the stratospheric repair bills.
A quick question JC, does carrying out a KDS alignment require plugging into/full functionality of the OBD port ?
Schermerhorn said:
Had I not gone the AUC route, I dare say I wouldnt have seen a 'better' prepared pre-sale car.
Eh, I thought you consistently stated the supplying dealer had been negligent in the preparation of your car prior to placing the AUC warranty on it ? ? ? ?I still stand by that. However, in tarting up the car they did a very good job
I am an advocate of a warranty and have had them on M Cars and on my current C63.
What I will say though is, the labour rates that BMW / Merc charge are one of the key contributors to the 'huge warranty' bills and you shouldn't lose sight of this. 2 hours of technicians plugging the car into their computer whilst scratching their arses can cost £250 in London!
I remember by CSL had some Vanos issues and the warranty for replacing the gears was £6k.
If I didn't have a warranty, I would have probably spent 20% of that figure.
What I will say though is, the labour rates that BMW / Merc charge are one of the key contributors to the 'huge warranty' bills and you shouldn't lose sight of this. 2 hours of technicians plugging the car into their computer whilst scratching their arses can cost £250 in London!
I remember by CSL had some Vanos issues and the warranty for replacing the gears was £6k.
If I didn't have a warranty, I would have probably spent 20% of that figure.
Likewise, I keep a Mondial Driveline warranty on my E39, that has similarly paid for itself by having both MAFs replaced (£1,100 warranty, £100 excess, 2x MAFs at £573 each) within a couple of months.
Technically they weren't covered as only internally lubricated engine, gearbox and differential items are included, but the service receptionist got it accepted and before the year is out, it'll get the diff output seals changed under this warranty too, another job they quote the thick end of four figures four outside of warranty.
~£1k/£100pm well spent in running an older M IMO, leaving only regular consumables which are predictable and easily budgeted for to enjoy a great performance car with a reputation for wallet-wilting (any generation of M5).
Technically they weren't covered as only internally lubricated engine, gearbox and differential items are included, but the service receptionist got it accepted and before the year is out, it'll get the diff output seals changed under this warranty too, another job they quote the thick end of four figures four outside of warranty.
~£1k/£100pm well spent in running an older M IMO, leaving only regular consumables which are predictable and easily budgeted for to enjoy a great performance car with a reputation for wallet-wilting (any generation of M5).
Carlton Banks said:
I am an advocate of a warranty and have had them on M Cars and on my current C63.
What I will say though is, the labour rates that BMW / Merc charge are one of the key contributors to the 'huge warranty' bills and you shouldn't lose sight of this. 2 hours of technicians plugging the car into their computer whilst scratching their arses can cost £250 in London!
I remember by CSL had some Vanos issues and the warranty for replacing the gears was £6k.
If I didn't have a warranty, I would have probably spent 20% of that figure.
This. I do wonder how much of those eye watering costs can be amelerioriated by using an Indy. However a friend of mine and fellow PHer had nearly £20k of warranty work on his M5 touring...horrific!What I will say though is, the labour rates that BMW / Merc charge are one of the key contributors to the 'huge warranty' bills and you shouldn't lose sight of this. 2 hours of technicians plugging the car into their computer whilst scratching their arses can cost £250 in London!
I remember by CSL had some Vanos issues and the warranty for replacing the gears was £6k.
If I didn't have a warranty, I would have probably spent 20% of that figure.
Schermerhorn said:
Wills2 said:
I'm not there is much original left on that car, they can't all be this bad can they?
It's not quite a Trigger's Broom just yet.
I guess that V10 makes up for all the niggles and to be fair it'll be brand new soon!
Wills2 said:
I'm not there is much original left on that car, they can't all be this bad can they?
Last year I had a chap turn up at my place to buy some ceramic discs (that I'd advertised on here) for his 996 GT2.he arrived in a 140k mile E63 M6 which he'd had from new. The only replacement parts over and above normal service items were front discs and pads (it was still on its original rear discs !!!) and a pair of catalytic converters. So no, they're not all fragile, problem prone, money pits ! !
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