F80 M3 or F10 M5?
Discussion
Wills2 said:
HoHoHo said:
In the right gear the way it gets to 80 is also pretty amazing 
I do wonder when I change at some stage in the future what's a 'normal' car going to feel like
Sometimes but I find the TC intrudes constantly up to 80mph. I do wonder when I change at some stage in the future what's a 'normal' car going to feel like
HoHoHo said:
Wills2 said:
HoHoHo said:
In the right gear the way it gets to 80 is also pretty amazing
I do wonder when I change at some stage in the future what's a 'normal' car going to feel like
Sometimes but I find the TC intrudes constantly up to 80mph. I do wonder when I change at some stage in the future what's a 'normal' car going to feel like
It can be slightly frustrating and fun in the same measure.
Had the test drive in the F80 M3... Was impressed yes sounds and feels great wasn't to impressed after 70 not as much pull as my E60 M5. The true test will come when I test drive the M5 I think will full fill all my needs!!! The dealership is trying to get one for me next week. Hopefully they will give it to me for a few days...
playNskillz said:
Had the test drive in the F80 M3... Was impressed yes sounds and feels great wasn't to impressed after 70 not as much pull as my E60 M5. The true test will come when I test drive the M5 I think will full fill all my needs!!! The dealership is trying to get one for me next week. Hopefully they will give it to me for a few days...
Do you think it would be a disappointment going from the E60 M5 to the F80 M3 ?playNskillz said:
Had the test drive in the F80 M3... Was impressed yes sounds and feels great wasn't to impressed after 70 not as much pull as my E60 M5. The true test will come when I test drive the M5 I think will full fill all my needs!!! The dealership is trying to get one for me next week. Hopefully they will give it to me for a few days...
Did you buy an F10 M5? If so how do you like it?Welshbeef said:
Merc E63 S will show it a clean oair of heels brutal.
Are your sure? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-yCupxxErM
The gran coupe is heavier than the m5 also, can only imagine the gap would be bigger with the m5
I spent all day monday at Bedford Autodrome in my M4 with a mate in his E60 M5. on the full 3.8 mile GT circuit it was interesting to say the least.
morning - Bone dry and sunny. i was making ground in the twisty bits then when we approached the 1KM straight he would catch me up by the braking zone at the end. without doubt the E60 is faster at 80+ not hugely but still its faster as you would expect. M4 managed 150 (braking stupidly late and s
tting my pants) M5 managed 152 but obviously braking sooner. not a scientific test but it is what it is.
then it poured down with rain and it was quite comical. my mate was spinning all over the place and i literally disappeared into the storm leaving him for dead. The E60 is so heavy and powerful that it simply couldnt put the power down without sliding all over the place. he did comment that aquaplaning at 150mph wasnt much fun lol.
i test drove an F10 M5 for 24 hours when i bought the M4 as i too was set on the M5 but what i realised is the M5 in comparison is boring up to 70mph and simply bonkers from 70-150. although it was the most fun ive had in a car... EVER i quickly realised for me that my realistic driving fun zone is 20-100 mph and for that reason i went for the M4 and loaded it with all the Mperformance stuff including exhaust. im happy with my decision but it really depends if you will spend your time blasting down the motorway at high speed or messing about on B-roads. horses for courses.
Im editing the go pro video now, ill post a link to it later once its done if anyone wants to see the carnage we drove through. No video of the dry bit im afraid as i didnt set up the camera until later in the day which is a shame
morning - Bone dry and sunny. i was making ground in the twisty bits then when we approached the 1KM straight he would catch me up by the braking zone at the end. without doubt the E60 is faster at 80+ not hugely but still its faster as you would expect. M4 managed 150 (braking stupidly late and s
tting my pants) M5 managed 152 but obviously braking sooner. not a scientific test but it is what it is.then it poured down with rain and it was quite comical. my mate was spinning all over the place and i literally disappeared into the storm leaving him for dead. The E60 is so heavy and powerful that it simply couldnt put the power down without sliding all over the place. he did comment that aquaplaning at 150mph wasnt much fun lol.
i test drove an F10 M5 for 24 hours when i bought the M4 as i too was set on the M5 but what i realised is the M5 in comparison is boring up to 70mph and simply bonkers from 70-150. although it was the most fun ive had in a car... EVER i quickly realised for me that my realistic driving fun zone is 20-100 mph and for that reason i went for the M4 and loaded it with all the Mperformance stuff including exhaust. im happy with my decision but it really depends if you will spend your time blasting down the motorway at high speed or messing about on B-roads. horses for courses.
Im editing the go pro video now, ill post a link to it later once its done if anyone wants to see the carnage we drove through. No video of the dry bit im afraid as i didnt set up the camera until later in the day which is a shame
Welshbeef said:
HoHoHo said:
In the right gear the way it gets to 80 is also pretty amazing
I do wonder when I change at some stage in the future what's a 'normal' car going to feel like
Merc E63 S will show it a clean oair of heels brutal. I do wonder when I change at some stage in the future what's a 'normal' car going to feel like
F10 M5
Top speed 306 kph (190 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.4 s
0 - 80 kph 3.1 s
0 - 100 kph 3.9 s
0 - 130 kph 5.8 s
0 - 180 kph 9.7 s
0 - 200 kph 11.7 s
0 - 60 mph 3.7 s
0 - 100 mph 7.8 s
0 - 150 mph 18.3 s
E63 AMG
Top speed 250 kph (155 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.8 s
0 - 50 kph 1.9 s
0 - 100 kph 4.3 s
0 - 130 kph 6.8 s
0 - 200 kph 14.2 s
0 - 250 kph 24.8 s
0 - 60 mph 4.0 s
0 - 100 mph 9.5 s
Est. 1/8 mile 8.2 s @ 92.0 mph
1/4 mile 12.4 s @ 114.3 mph
1000 m 22.7 s @ 245.0 kph
The f10 wins by some margin
HoHoHo said:
let's compare like with like:
F10 M5
Top speed 306 kph (190 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.4 s
0 - 80 kph 3.1 s
0 - 100 kph 3.9 s
0 - 130 kph 5.8 s
0 - 180 kph 9.7 s
0 - 200 kph 11.7 s
0 - 60 mph 3.7 s
0 - 100 mph 7.8 s
0 - 150 mph 18.3 s
E63 AMG
Top speed 250 kph (155 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.8 s
0 - 50 kph 1.9 s
0 - 100 kph 4.3 s
0 - 130 kph 6.8 s
0 - 200 kph 14.2 s
0 - 250 kph 24.8 s
0 - 60 mph 4.0 s
0 - 100 mph 9.5 s
Est. 1/8 mile 8.2 s @ 92.0 mph
1/4 mile 12.4 s @ 114.3 mph
1000 m 22.7 s @ 245.0 kph
The f10 wins by some margin
I said E63 S. F10 M5
Top speed 306 kph (190 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.4 s
0 - 80 kph 3.1 s
0 - 100 kph 3.9 s
0 - 130 kph 5.8 s
0 - 180 kph 9.7 s
0 - 200 kph 11.7 s
0 - 60 mph 3.7 s
0 - 100 mph 7.8 s
0 - 150 mph 18.3 s
E63 AMG
Top speed 250 kph (155 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.8 s
0 - 50 kph 1.9 s
0 - 100 kph 4.3 s
0 - 130 kph 6.8 s
0 - 200 kph 14.2 s
0 - 250 kph 24.8 s
0 - 60 mph 4.0 s
0 - 100 mph 9.5 s
Est. 1/8 mile 8.2 s @ 92.0 mph
1/4 mile 12.4 s @ 114.3 mph
1000 m 22.7 s @ 245.0 kph
The f10 wins by some margin
HoHoHo said:
Welshbeef said:
HoHoHo said:
In the right gear the way it gets to 80 is also pretty amazing
I do wonder when I change at some stage in the future what's a 'normal' car going to feel like
Merc E63 S will show it a clean oair of heels brutal. I do wonder when I change at some stage in the future what's a 'normal' car going to feel like
F10 M5
Top speed 306 kph (190 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.4 s
0 - 80 kph 3.1 s
0 - 100 kph 3.9 s
0 - 130 kph 5.8 s
0 - 180 kph 9.7 s
0 - 200 kph 11.7 s
0 - 60 mph 3.7 s
0 - 100 mph 7.8 s
0 - 150 mph 18.3 s
E63 AMG
Top speed 250 kph (155 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.8 s
0 - 50 kph 1.9 s
0 - 100 kph 4.3 s
0 - 130 kph 6.8 s
0 - 200 kph 14.2 s
0 - 250 kph 24.8 s
0 - 60 mph 4.0 s
0 - 100 mph 9.5 s
Est. 1/8 mile 8.2 s @ 92.0 mph
1/4 mile 12.4 s @ 114.3 mph
1000 m 22.7 s @ 245.0 kph
The f10 wins by some margin
Hopefully this closes out the issue.
F10 M5 competition pack
0-62 3.7 seconds
1/4 mile 11.9 seconds @ 122.2mph
Quoted bhp 575
Wheel bhp 507
Actual crank bhp 598
Merc E63 S AMG
0-62 3.4 seconds
1/4 mile 11.6 seconds @ 121.8mph
Quoted bhp 577
Wheel bhp 541
Actual crank bhp 676
Welshbeef said:
HoHoHo said:
let's compare like with like:
F10 M5
Top speed 306 kph (190 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.4 s
0 - 80 kph 3.1 s
0 - 100 kph 3.9 s
0 - 130 kph 5.8 s
0 - 180 kph 9.7 s
0 - 200 kph 11.7 s
0 - 60 mph 3.7 s
0 - 100 mph 7.8 s
0 - 150 mph 18.3 s
E63 AMG
Top speed 250 kph (155 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.8 s
0 - 50 kph 1.9 s
0 - 100 kph 4.3 s
0 - 130 kph 6.8 s
0 - 200 kph 14.2 s
0 - 250 kph 24.8 s
0 - 60 mph 4.0 s
0 - 100 mph 9.5 s
Est. 1/8 mile 8.2 s @ 92.0 mph
1/4 mile 12.4 s @ 114.3 mph
1000 m 22.7 s @ 245.0 kph
The f10 wins by some margin
I said E63 S. F10 M5
Top speed 306 kph (190 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.4 s
0 - 80 kph 3.1 s
0 - 100 kph 3.9 s
0 - 130 kph 5.8 s
0 - 180 kph 9.7 s
0 - 200 kph 11.7 s
0 - 60 mph 3.7 s
0 - 100 mph 7.8 s
0 - 150 mph 18.3 s
E63 AMG
Top speed 250 kph (155 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.8 s
0 - 50 kph 1.9 s
0 - 100 kph 4.3 s
0 - 130 kph 6.8 s
0 - 200 kph 14.2 s
0 - 250 kph 24.8 s
0 - 60 mph 4.0 s
0 - 100 mph 9.5 s
Est. 1/8 mile 8.2 s @ 92.0 mph
1/4 mile 12.4 s @ 114.3 mph
1000 m 22.7 s @ 245.0 kph
The f10 wins by some margin
Top speed 300 kph (186 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.6 s
0 - 80 kph 3.2 s
0 - 100 kph 4.2 s
0 - 180 kph 10.5 s
0 - 200 kph 12.7 s
0 - 60 mph 3.8 s
0 - 100 mph 8.5 s
Est. 1/8 mile 8.1 s @ 96.3 mph
1/4 mile 12.0 s
Still slower than an f10 M5
The S apparently covers 1/4 mile in 11.7 seconds according to 0-60 specs.com and the M5 covers it in 11.9 so hardly a clean pair of heals!
HoHoHo said:
Only E63 other than standard I can find on fastest laps is the Performance pack
Top speed 300 kph (186 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.6 s
0 - 80 kph 3.2 s
0 - 100 kph 4.2 s
0 - 180 kph 10.5 s
0 - 200 kph 12.7 s
0 - 60 mph 3.8 s
0 - 100 mph 8.5 s
Est. 1/8 mile 8.1 s @ 96.3 mph
1/4 mile 12.0 s
Still slower than an f10 M5
The S apparently covers 1/4 mile in 11.7 seconds according to 0-60 specs.com and the M5 covers it in 11.9 so hardly a clean pair of heals!
The S is quicker than the competition pack over the 1/4 mile that includes all the speed increments you stated. Note the E55 k with only 476bhp with limiter removed would do 205mph so an engine of slightly larger capacity and 200bhp MORE with even longer top gear gearing will do the same if not moreTop speed 300 kph (186 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.6 s
0 - 80 kph 3.2 s
0 - 100 kph 4.2 s
0 - 180 kph 10.5 s
0 - 200 kph 12.7 s
0 - 60 mph 3.8 s
0 - 100 mph 8.5 s
Est. 1/8 mile 8.1 s @ 96.3 mph
1/4 mile 12.0 s
Still slower than an f10 M5
The S apparently covers 1/4 mile in 11.7 seconds according to 0-60 specs.com and the M5 covers it in 11.9 so hardly a clean pair of heals!
Welshbeef said:
The S is quicker than the competition pack over the 1/4 mile that includes all the speed increments you stated. Note the E55 k with only 476bhp with limiter removed would do 205mph so an engine of slightly larger capacity and 200bhp MORE with even longer top gear gearing will do the same if not more
Some slightly dubious numbers being deployed by both sides I think !To improve on 4.1 secs to 62 you would need the 4matic e63s which is not available in the UK. That said neither have I seen a test of the m5 where 3.7 was recorded.
I've had a biturbo AMG ( CLS SB) and now an M5. Both are monstrously quick and in my view any difference in performance is hair splitting stuff.
As for 205 mph from a 55k I suspect that's in the realms of theory rather than practice. Best I ever saw from the CLS was 197 at Bruntingthorpe and that was mapped at approx 760bhp. Not vmaxed the M5 yet and that's now at similar power.
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