What's The F10 M5 Like To Live With Real-world ?
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In answer to the OP's question :
Really really really fast in a straight line
Too heavy for track work
Slightly dull power delivery once the thrust novelty wears off
Luxurious and refined with loads of toys
Poor economy, but decent sized tank
Expensive to maintain
Depreciating fast
(My guesses as I've not driven one...)
Really really really fast in a straight line
Too heavy for track work
Slightly dull power delivery once the thrust novelty wears off
Luxurious and refined with loads of toys
Poor economy, but decent sized tank
Expensive to maintain
Depreciating fast
(My guesses as I've not driven one...)
king ignore the price paid"
0836whimper said:
In answer to the OP's question :
Really really really fast in a straight line
Too heavy for track work
Slightly dull power delivery once the thrust novelty wears off
Luxurious and refined with loads of toys
Poor economy, but decent sized tank
Expensive to maintain
Depreciating fast
(My guesses as I've not driven one...)
So you've not driven or owned one and have assumed the above Really really really fast in a straight line
Too heavy for track work
Slightly dull power delivery once the thrust novelty wears off
Luxurious and refined with loads of toys
Poor economy, but decent sized tank
Expensive to maintain
Depreciating fast
(My guesses as I've not driven one...)
What a muppet
0836whimper said:
HoHoHo said:
So you've not driven or owned one and have assumed the above
What a muppet
You don't know me at all but assume I am a muppet....What a muppet
Rather than educate/correct me.
That's more muppetry.
Really really really fast in a straight line - and it's also pretty good around corners. Braking ability is stunning. People often comment not on how fast it is but how well it holds the road and how it stops, frankly it's astonishing and in my experience without any fade whatsoever.
Too heavy for track work - It's not a 911 et al and of course it won't keep up with your CSL but is still good fun. We have one forum member that uses his on a regular basis and swears by it. Also has a very, very respectable time around the ring. That said I don't know many people who bought it as a track day car.
Slightly dull power delivery once the thrust novelty wears off - Not found mine dull at all. Dull is never a word that enters your mind even going to tesco for a sandwich. Sure it's a turbo so it's going to be different to a NA engine but never dull not even after 21000 miles of owning the car
Luxurious and refined with loads of toys - correct answer
It's a barge capable of nearly 200mph and around 4 or so to 60 depending on who you believe.Poor economy, but decent sized tank - great economy actually. 18mpg is pretty respectable for a 560bhp 2 tonne barge. Much, much better than the E60 M5 and years ago 18mpg would have been good for a 2.0L Cortina. There are some owners who suggest they get mid twenties and that's very respectable. My old 4.8iS X5 could hardly manage over 20mpg even on a long run, let alone being driven like you stole it all the time.
Expensive to maintain - 21,000 miles and servicing has cost me a whopping £320. Tyres have cost me so far £500 and that's it. Insurance is £350 per year fully comp. Granted I'm into new tyres in a month or so but that is not a car costing me a fortune to run or service. My wifes E70 X5 cost more and in fact her 320D Vert cost more in rubber than my M5.
Depreciating fast - no faster than any other expensive machine. Sure, buy a 991 GT3/RS and you're in the money. Some exoctic machinery will depreciated slower than an M5 but buy a run of the mill 911 for £100k (you can't buy new one for the same cost as an M5 as I'm sure you know) and in three years it's worth £50k trade in. Buy an M5 for £80 and it's worth £40 trade in. I would guess it's no difference in % terms to most cars but the figures are simply higher.
(My guesses as I've not driven one...) - Perhaps that's where you went wrong. You've not driven (or I assume owned one). I wouldn't dream of trying to comment on a CSL without any experience and I would let alone you would think I was a muppet if I tried to.
Edited by HoHoHo on Sunday 19th July 08:00
All fair points, either supporting what I said, adding some additional points such as the brakes and also some user specific perspective, which I don't have. Good stuff.
I do however take issue with your view that no-one is allowed to comment on a car they haven't driven. Of course you can, everyone has opinions and perspectives based on the knowledge they have gained.
Absolutely you can comment on my car, in fact you already have : making the assumption that it's handy on a track. HOW DO YOU KNOW !!!!!
I deliberately didn't comment of what an F10 M5 gearbox is like moving from 4th to 5th on a warm day on a French country road as I haven't a clue (suspect it's awesome though) so I kept to high level general comments based on the original question.
I admit I wrote my post slightly fishing for a reaction, which didn't take long !
Just because I haven't driven an F10 neither makes my points immediately invalid or not give me the right to comment.
I do however take issue with your view that no-one is allowed to comment on a car they haven't driven. Of course you can, everyone has opinions and perspectives based on the knowledge they have gained.
Absolutely you can comment on my car, in fact you already have : making the assumption that it's handy on a track. HOW DO YOU KNOW !!!!!
I deliberately didn't comment of what an F10 M5 gearbox is like moving from 4th to 5th on a warm day on a French country road as I haven't a clue (suspect it's awesome though) so I kept to high level general comments based on the original question.
I admit I wrote my post slightly fishing for a reaction, which didn't take long !
Just because I haven't driven an F10 neither makes my points immediately invalid or not give me the right to comment.
Edited by 0836whimper on Sunday 19th July 10:35
0836whimper said:
In answer to the OP's question :
Really really really fast in a straight line - Correct
Too heavy for track work - Better tell BMW that as they've used them as ring taxis for years and its only about 4 secs slower than the CSL round the ring, not sure what that says about the CSL TBH
Slightly dull power delivery once the thrust novelty wears off - Power delivery is anything but dull builds strongly from 1.5k at 3-4k it goes nuts and from 5.5k through to over 7k goes ballistic.
Luxurious and refined with loads of toys - Correct
Poor economy, but decent sized tank - Better economy than the e46/e92 m3 and the e39/e60 M5, so not really. It does have a decent sized fuel tank so on a run you can get 450-500 miles from a tank should you want to
Expensive to maintain - No more than any other M car
Depreciating fast - Like all M3 cars bought new, if you've owned your CSL from new you'll know all about that.
(My guesses as I've not driven one...)
HTH.Really really really fast in a straight line - Correct
Too heavy for track work - Better tell BMW that as they've used them as ring taxis for years and its only about 4 secs slower than the CSL round the ring, not sure what that says about the CSL TBH
Slightly dull power delivery once the thrust novelty wears off - Power delivery is anything but dull builds strongly from 1.5k at 3-4k it goes nuts and from 5.5k through to over 7k goes ballistic.
Luxurious and refined with loads of toys - Correct
Poor economy, but decent sized tank - Better economy than the e46/e92 m3 and the e39/e60 M5, so not really. It does have a decent sized fuel tank so on a run you can get 450-500 miles from a tank should you want to
Expensive to maintain - No more than any other M car
Depreciating fast - Like all M3 cars bought new, if you've owned your CSL from new you'll know all about that.
(My guesses as I've not driven one...)
Oh and a really whimpering attempt at trolling...
Edited by Wills2 on Sunday 19th July 10:55
Wills2 said:
0836whimper said:
In answer to the OP's question :
Too heavy for track work - Better tell BMW that as they've used them as ring taxis for years and its only about 4 secs slower than the CSL round the ring, not sure what that says about the CSL TBH
Too heavy for track work - Better tell BMW that as they've used them as ring taxis for years and its only about 4 secs slower than the CSL round the ring, not sure what that says about the CSL TBH
0836whimper said:
I do however take issue with your view that no-one is allowed to comment on a car they haven't driven. Of course you can, everyone has opinions and perspectives based on the knowledge they have gained.
Dear ModsPlease would you consider retitling this thread "In your imagination What's The F10 M5 Like To Live With Real-world?" - the OP is not only sure to receive a higher quantity of responses, but superior quality too.
0836whimper said:
Wills2 said:
0836whimper said:
In answer to the OP's question :
Too heavy for track work - Better tell BMW that as they've used them as ring taxis for years and its only about 4 secs slower than the CSL round the ring, not sure what that says about the CSL TBH
Too heavy for track work - Better tell BMW that as they've used them as ring taxis for years and its only about 4 secs slower than the CSL round the ring, not sure what that says about the CSL TBH
If you know all about any modifications would you enlighten us? I would find this particularly interesting as I shared an F10 ring taxi lap with 2 mates in the summer of 2012 and thought the car was inspiring.
theboss said:
0836whimper said:
Wills2 said:
0836whimper said:
In answer to the OP's question :
Too heavy for track work - Better tell BMW that as they've used them as ring taxis for years and its only about 4 secs slower than the CSL round the ring, not sure what that says about the CSL TBH
Too heavy for track work - Better tell BMW that as they've used them as ring taxis for years and its only about 4 secs slower than the CSL round the ring, not sure what that says about the CSL TBH
0836whimper said:
Providing one data point that shows an M5 on a track is misleading to the OP who wants to know what it's like to live with an M5 in the real world. Maybe a perspective from someone who regularly drives to a track, does 50 laps in their F10 M5 and then drives home again would be more relevant that what BMW do at the 'ring.
What are you on about? You came in on here to tell the OP an M5 was "too heavy for track work" despite him not even really enquiring about that. Wills2 points out BMW use them daily on the ring. You then say thats not relevant to real world use.I think you've just jumped in to be provocative.
For what its worth I did a few ring laps in my M5 on my way back from Berlin last month and thought it was pretty damned good. Yes there are better track cars but there isn't much out there that I'd prefer for combining a few ring laps with 2000 non-track miles in a long weekend. The M5 can do track pretty well if you want it to. Have you ever driven one or had a ring taxi lap? I think its your own input to the thread that is largely irrelevant.
Goimg back to the OPs question - F10 is very pleasant to live with every day. It can be quite docile to drive and comfortable.
But I find even on soft settings - the car is still very precise and can be placed very accurately on the road. And of course, you can have your preferred settings at your fingertips on your 'M1' or 'M2' setting to sharpen everything up in an instant.
If you will due less than 20,000 miles, you may not incur any cost on consumables. I have done 47,000 miles in mine and am only just on 3rd set of tyres, each set of fonts and rears lasted more than 20k. Only other thing that you may need to spend on apart from a service is a set of rear brake pads as they suffer heavy use keeping the 560bhp in check.
But I find even on soft settings - the car is still very precise and can be placed very accurately on the road. And of course, you can have your preferred settings at your fingertips on your 'M1' or 'M2' setting to sharpen everything up in an instant.
If you will due less than 20,000 miles, you may not incur any cost on consumables. I have done 47,000 miles in mine and am only just on 3rd set of tyres, each set of fonts and rears lasted more than 20k. Only other thing that you may need to spend on apart from a service is a set of rear brake pads as they suffer heavy use keeping the 560bhp in check.
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