What's The F10 M5 Like To Live With Real-world ?
Discussion
This thread has gone from the sublime to the ridiculous.
Commentary:
The OP asked a not unreasonable question about the cost of ownership of an F10 M5.
Many owners responded with sensible answers as to their costs - mpg / servicing / tyres etc. All good so far.
Then you get the chip on shoulder / axe to grind / precious / bitter - delete as applicable - brigade, typical of PH these days, condescending with bile about worthiness.
"if you're asking about mpg / servicing / tyres or any other discriminator, you don't have the right to be on this sub-forum......" To embellish a tad.
FFS!
Some of these posters - known on now defunct fora, used to be quite positive and helpful in their input.
Used to be...
To the OP's credit, he didn't bite. Unlike me
I have an F10 M5. I have had 2 E46 M3 CSL's (wish I'd kept one now...) and an E92 M3. You could say I like M cars.
The CSL would never have achieved any meritable lap time without Cup tyres. Honestly, do we really think otherwise?
To echo the general sentiment regarding the F10 M5, it is positively one of the best all round cars I have ever owned. Easily eclipsing the 997 turbo I had as a kid (in my 30's!) as an overall ownership prospect.
For info, over the 24 months and 8000 milesI've had my M5, I've averaged 19.5mpg and still have 'legal' tyres
Commentary:
The OP asked a not unreasonable question about the cost of ownership of an F10 M5.
Many owners responded with sensible answers as to their costs - mpg / servicing / tyres etc. All good so far.
Then you get the chip on shoulder / axe to grind / precious / bitter - delete as applicable - brigade, typical of PH these days, condescending with bile about worthiness.
"if you're asking about mpg / servicing / tyres or any other discriminator, you don't have the right to be on this sub-forum......" To embellish a tad.
FFS!
Some of these posters - known on now defunct fora, used to be quite positive and helpful in their input.
Used to be...
To the OP's credit, he didn't bite. Unlike me
I have an F10 M5. I have had 2 E46 M3 CSL's (wish I'd kept one now...) and an E92 M3. You could say I like M cars.
The CSL would never have achieved any meritable lap time without Cup tyres. Honestly, do we really think otherwise?
To echo the general sentiment regarding the F10 M5, it is positively one of the best all round cars I have ever owned. Easily eclipsing the 997 turbo I had as a kid (in my 30's!) as an overall ownership prospect.
For info, over the 24 months and 8000 milesI've had my M5, I've averaged 19.5mpg and still have 'legal' tyres
ellipsis said:
This thread has gone from the sublime to the ridiculous.
Commentary:
The OP asked a not unreasonable question about the cost of ownership of an F10 M5.
Many owners responded with sensible answers as to their costs - mpg / servicing / tyres etc. All good so far.
Then you get the chip on shoulder / axe to grind / precious / bitter - delete as applicable - brigade, typical of PH these days, condescending with bile about worthiness.
"if you're asking about mpg / servicing / tyres or any other discriminator, you don't have the right to be on this sub-forum......" To embellish a tad.
FFS!
Some of these posters - known on now defunct fora, used to be quite positive and helpful in their input.
Used to be...
To the OP's credit, he didn't bite. Unlike me
I have an F10 M5. I have had 2 E46 M3 CSL's (wish I'd kept one now...) and an E92 M3. You could say I like M cars.
The CSL would never have achieved any meritable lap time without Cup tyres. Honestly, do we really think otherwise?
To echo the general sentiment regarding the F10 M5, it is positively one of the best all round cars I have ever owned. Easily eclipsing the 997 turbo I had as a kid (in my 30's!) as an overall ownership prospect.
For info, over the 24 months and 8000 milesI've had my M5, I've averaged 19.5mpg and still have 'legal' tyres
This almost completely mirrors my history albeit 996 turbo and one csl (which I also wish I'd kept!)Commentary:
The OP asked a not unreasonable question about the cost of ownership of an F10 M5.
Many owners responded with sensible answers as to their costs - mpg / servicing / tyres etc. All good so far.
Then you get the chip on shoulder / axe to grind / precious / bitter - delete as applicable - brigade, typical of PH these days, condescending with bile about worthiness.
"if you're asking about mpg / servicing / tyres or any other discriminator, you don't have the right to be on this sub-forum......" To embellish a tad.
FFS!
Some of these posters - known on now defunct fora, used to be quite positive and helpful in their input.
Used to be...
To the OP's credit, he didn't bite. Unlike me
I have an F10 M5. I have had 2 E46 M3 CSL's (wish I'd kept one now...) and an E92 M3. You could say I like M cars.
The CSL would never have achieved any meritable lap time without Cup tyres. Honestly, do we really think otherwise?
To echo the general sentiment regarding the F10 M5, it is positively one of the best all round cars I have ever owned. Easily eclipsing the 997 turbo I had as a kid (in my 30's!) as an overall ownership prospect.
For info, over the 24 months and 8000 milesI've had my M5, I've averaged 19.5mpg and still have 'legal' tyres
The F10 M5 is a fantastic car and if you don't believe it you clearly don't get well engineered cars.
Most top-end track orientated perfomance cars now come as standard with Cup tyres, even hot hatches like the Renault Megane and Seat Leon. So I don't think we should start adding asterisks to lap times based on factory fit tyre choice.
Anyway, that's off-topic.
I am trying to guard against a load of proud owners defending their cars at all costs as superb at everything, when actually there are some things for which they are compromised, e.g. track use.
If people want suggest the F10 M5 is a good real world choice as a track car, that's debatable at best. For the OP I think it's unhelpful as he's concerned about real world running costs, and tyres and brakes will be utterly munched on a track in an M5. The same for hard road use as they are relatively heavy cars.
If this isn't true, fair enough, but we need better data than the fact BMW run them as 'ring taxis and change all tyres, discs, pads and fluids every few laps.
Anyway, that's off-topic.
I am trying to guard against a load of proud owners defending their cars at all costs as superb at everything, when actually there are some things for which they are compromised, e.g. track use.
If people want suggest the F10 M5 is a good real world choice as a track car, that's debatable at best. For the OP I think it's unhelpful as he's concerned about real world running costs, and tyres and brakes will be utterly munched on a track in an M5. The same for hard road use as they are relatively heavy cars.
If this isn't true, fair enough, but we need better data than the fact BMW run them as 'ring taxis and change all tyres, discs, pads and fluids every few laps.
0836whimper said:
Most top-end track orientated perfomance cars now come as standard with Cup tyres, even hot hatches like the Renault Megane and Seat Leon. So I don't think we should start adding asterisks to lap times based on factory fit tyre choice.
Anyway, that's off-topic.
I am trying to guard against a load of proud owners defending their cars at all costs as superb at everything, when actually there are some things for which they are compromised, e.g. track use.
If people want suggest the F10 M5 is a good real world choice as a track car, that's debatable at best. For the OP I think it's unhelpful as he's concerned about real world running costs, and tyres and brakes will be utterly munched on a track in an M5. The same for hard road use as they are relatively heavy cars.
If this isn't true, fair enough, but we need better data than the fact BMW run them as 'ring taxis and change all tyres, discs, pads and fluids every few laps.
Firstly I don't think anyone is defending their car, simply writing about it how it is from a position of owning one, not simply replying with thoughts about what might be. Owner experiences are possibly more useful to the OP than non-owner (or ever driven) assumptions?Anyway, that's off-topic.
I am trying to guard against a load of proud owners defending their cars at all costs as superb at everything, when actually there are some things for which they are compromised, e.g. track use.
If people want suggest the F10 M5 is a good real world choice as a track car, that's debatable at best. For the OP I think it's unhelpful as he's concerned about real world running costs, and tyres and brakes will be utterly munched on a track in an M5. The same for hard road use as they are relatively heavy cars.
If this isn't true, fair enough, but we need better data than the fact BMW run them as 'ring taxis and change all tyres, discs, pads and fluids every few laps.
I don't think anyone suggested these are a great buy for the track, if I remember correctly the track element started after your post and quite rightly figures and experiences were then posted.
Had mine for 3 weeks now. My running in service has come around quick!!! Living with it is great long runs I've got 350 miles out of a full tank which is decent in my opinion and 200 town driving.
2 thimgs that P me off is when people ask wow the fuel an insurance an R tax must be ridiculous... Err I didn't spend 80k to worry about fuel economy and insurance..
2 thimgs that P me off is when people ask wow the fuel an insurance an R tax must be ridiculous... Err I didn't spend 80k to worry about fuel economy and insurance..
0836whimper said:
Most top-end track orientated perfomance cars now come as standard with Cup tyres, even hot hatches like the Renault Megane and Seat Leon. So I don't think we should start adding asterisks to lap times based on factory fit tyre choice.
Anyway, that's off-topic.
I am trying to guard against a load of proud owners defending their cars at all costs as superb at everything, when actually there are some things for which they are compromised, e.g. track use.
If people want suggest the F10 M5 is a good real world choice as a track car, that's debatable at best. For the OP I think it's unhelpful as he's concerned about real world running costs, and tyres and brakes will be utterly munched on a track in an M5. The same for hard road use as they are relatively heavy cars.
If this isn't true, fair enough, but we need better data than the fact BMW run them as 'ring taxis and change all tyres, discs, pads and fluids every few laps.
Your posts say more about you than about owners of the F10. Anyway, that's off-topic.
I am trying to guard against a load of proud owners defending their cars at all costs as superb at everything, when actually there are some things for which they are compromised, e.g. track use.
If people want suggest the F10 M5 is a good real world choice as a track car, that's debatable at best. For the OP I think it's unhelpful as he's concerned about real world running costs, and tyres and brakes will be utterly munched on a track in an M5. The same for hard road use as they are relatively heavy cars.
If this isn't true, fair enough, but we need better data than the fact BMW run them as 'ring taxis and change all tyres, discs, pads and fluids every few laps.
The OP didn't ask about track use; he asked about use as a DD. You raised the issue of track use and expressed an opinion based on surmise.
The F10 can more than holds its own when used as a track car, but that is obviously not its primary purpose, and OP has not suggested that he's concerned about it being "a good real world choice as a track car".
You assert that tyres and brakes will be "utterly munched" in "hard road use" based on what you regard as the position when the car is used on track, though you have no experience of using one on track, it seems. But, your assertion is in any event based on a false premise: who, in the real world, uses their car on the road in the same way that they drive on track? Tyres, discs, pads and fluids would be the least of the owner's concerns if he drove an F10 on the road as if he were on track.
Could it be that you feel a little threatened by the F10?
0836whimper said:
Most top-end track orientated perfomance cars now come as standard with Cup tyres, even hot hatches like the Renault Megane and Seat Leon. So I don't think we should start adding asterisks to lap times based on factory fit tyre choice.
Anyway, that's off-topic.
I am trying to guard against a load of proud owners defending their cars at all costs as superb at everything, when actually there are some things for which they are compromised, e.g. track use.
If people want suggest the F10 M5 is a good real world choice as a track car, that's debatable at best. For the OP I think it's unhelpful as he's concerned about real world running costs, and tyres and brakes will be utterly munched on a track in an M5. The same for hard road use as they are relatively heavy cars.
If this isn't true, fair enough, but we need better data than the fact BMW run them as 'ring taxis and change all tyres, discs, pads and fluids every few laps.
If I have an issue with the F10 it is that I can't drive it close to it's limits on the public road - something in my own mind I have been able to do with other cars I have owned. The F10 is just so fast. Having said that I still drive at least as fast as my previous E90 M3. So what I find doesn't make sense is this larger faster heavier car gets the same mpg as the E90 and tyres have lasted 50% longer.Anyway, that's off-topic.
I am trying to guard against a load of proud owners defending their cars at all costs as superb at everything, when actually there are some things for which they are compromised, e.g. track use.
If people want suggest the F10 M5 is a good real world choice as a track car, that's debatable at best. For the OP I think it's unhelpful as he's concerned about real world running costs, and tyres and brakes will be utterly munched on a track in an M5. The same for hard road use as they are relatively heavy cars.
If this isn't true, fair enough, but we need better data than the fact BMW run them as 'ring taxis and change all tyres, discs, pads and fluids every few laps.
I think the E90 was more fun to drive than the F10 (mine was a manual) but the breadth of ability of the F10 means it is a much better overall proposition.
HoHoHo said:
OK, here goes:
Really really really fast in a straight line - and it's also pretty good around corners. Braking ability is stunning. People often comment not on how fast it is but how well it holds the road and how it stops, frankly it's astonishing and in my experience without any fade whatsoever.
Too heavy for track work - It's not a 911 et al and of course it won't keep up with your CSL but is still good fun. We have one forum member that uses his on a regular basis and swears by it. Also has a very, very respectable time around the ring. That said I don't know many people who bought it as a track day car.
Slightly dull power delivery once the thrust novelty wears off - Not found mine dull at all. Dull is never a word that enters your mind even going to tesco for a sandwich. Sure it's a turbo so it's going to be different to a NA engine but never dull not even after 21000 miles of owning the car
Luxurious and refined with loads of toys - correct answer
It's a barge capable of nearly 200mph and around 4 or so to 60 depending on who you believe.
Poor economy, but decent sized tank - great economy actually. 18mpg is pretty respectable for a 560bhp 2 tonne barge. Much, much better than the E60 M5 and years ago 18mpg would have been good for a 2.0L Cortina. There are some owners who suggest they get mid twenties and that's very respectable. My old 4.8iS X5 could hardly manage over 20mpg even on a long run, let alone being driven like you stole it all the time.
Expensive to maintain - 21,000 miles and servicing has cost me a whopping £320. Tyres have cost me so far £500 and that's it. Insurance is £350 per year fully comp. Granted I'm into new tyres in a month or so but that is not a car costing me a fortune to run or service. My wifes E70 X5 cost more and in fact her 320D Vert cost more in rubber than my M5.
Depreciating fast - no faster than any other expensive machine. Sure, buy a 991 GT3/RS and you're in the money. Some exoctic machinery will depreciated slower than an M5 but buy a run of the mill 911 for £100k (you can't buy new one for the same cost as an M5 as I'm sure you know) and in three years it's worth £50k trade in. Buy an M5 for £80 and it's worth £40 trade in. I would guess it's no difference in % terms to most cars but the figures are simply higher.
(My guesses as I've not driven one...) - Perhaps that's where you went wrong. You've not driven (or I assume owned one). I wouldn't dream of trying to comment on a CSL without any experience and I would let alone you would think I was a muppet if I tried to.
Pretty much as above with the addition being track capability. The F10 M5 will dispatch most cars on track & hold it's own with many others. As for Porsche's finest, you'd not be troubled by anything below the 991 Turbo & CSL's unless stripped & tricked won't be close by for long. This of course assumes same driver & same conditions etc. Mine could happily stick with a Stage 4 R35 GT-R round Spa had i been a little less sympathetic.Really really really fast in a straight line - and it's also pretty good around corners. Braking ability is stunning. People often comment not on how fast it is but how well it holds the road and how it stops, frankly it's astonishing and in my experience without any fade whatsoever.
Too heavy for track work - It's not a 911 et al and of course it won't keep up with your CSL but is still good fun. We have one forum member that uses his on a regular basis and swears by it. Also has a very, very respectable time around the ring. That said I don't know many people who bought it as a track day car.
Slightly dull power delivery once the thrust novelty wears off - Not found mine dull at all. Dull is never a word that enters your mind even going to tesco for a sandwich. Sure it's a turbo so it's going to be different to a NA engine but never dull not even after 21000 miles of owning the car
Luxurious and refined with loads of toys - correct answer
It's a barge capable of nearly 200mph and around 4 or so to 60 depending on who you believe.Poor economy, but decent sized tank - great economy actually. 18mpg is pretty respectable for a 560bhp 2 tonne barge. Much, much better than the E60 M5 and years ago 18mpg would have been good for a 2.0L Cortina. There are some owners who suggest they get mid twenties and that's very respectable. My old 4.8iS X5 could hardly manage over 20mpg even on a long run, let alone being driven like you stole it all the time.
Expensive to maintain - 21,000 miles and servicing has cost me a whopping £320. Tyres have cost me so far £500 and that's it. Insurance is £350 per year fully comp. Granted I'm into new tyres in a month or so but that is not a car costing me a fortune to run or service. My wifes E70 X5 cost more and in fact her 320D Vert cost more in rubber than my M5.
Depreciating fast - no faster than any other expensive machine. Sure, buy a 991 GT3/RS and you're in the money. Some exoctic machinery will depreciated slower than an M5 but buy a run of the mill 911 for £100k (you can't buy new one for the same cost as an M5 as I'm sure you know) and in three years it's worth £50k trade in. Buy an M5 for £80 and it's worth £40 trade in. I would guess it's no difference in % terms to most cars but the figures are simply higher.
(My guesses as I've not driven one...) - Perhaps that's where you went wrong. You've not driven (or I assume owned one). I wouldn't dream of trying to comment on a CSL without any experience and I would let alone you would think I was a muppet if I tried to.
Edited by HoHoHo on Sunday 19th July 08:00
Saying that, you can't defy Physics so the car's consumables will take a bit of a hammering & i killed my front MPSS's after a few Rings laps & 2 days at Spa. However the wear was purely front shoulders & the rest of the tyre still had plenty of tread. The car had also covered 5k miles & did a day round Anglesey so in the grand scheme of things still not bad wear.
I'm back on track in August, but have decided to apply a couple of upgrades so am fitting Pagid RS29 Pads along with H&R Springs to see how they help things along & i also want to duck under 3min around Spa so am hoping this should help.
As for general wear & tear/servicing, mine's just had it's 1st proper oil change at 15k miles & the iDrive was suggesting i had another before it was due. The oddity on my car is the rear tyres as they're still original, have covered 15k miles along with numerous track days & still got 40-50% left. Also still on my original front brake pads but they'll need replacing very soon. The rear pads wear much quicker than the fronts due tot the M5's TC setup.
Excluding track days my car averages around 23mpg & this has been pretty constant since new.
I think that's about it really. As my car ownership goes, this car has been by far the best & most fun as the overall package is pretty much unbeatable.
I should add after reading a couple of other posts that the F10 M5 even with a few upgrades is never going to be a track weapon as even though it's capable of dispatching many cars on track & holding it's own with many others, if pushing hard you'd not be able to complete a significant number of laps before needing to cool the car down (more so the brakes) & the MPSS although very grippy, do get hot & at times round Spa they were over 80 degrees celsius, so would have started delaminating soon after that. I can do 2 back to back Nordschleife laps (at pace) or 7-8 round Spa again at pace before needing to come off. A Clio Trophy or the like could quite happily do double that if the driver can remain focussed for that long & of course it's consumables would not have taken the same hammering. That said, my drive to/from the track is in complete luxury & 250 mile drives from my home to my office are a pure joy which i doubt would be the same time & time again in a Caterham.
Edited by W8PMC on Monday 20th July 09:37
playNskillz said:
Had mine for 3 weeks now. My running in service has come around quick!!! Living with it is great long runs I've got 350 miles out of a full tank which is decent in my opinion and 200 town driving.
2 thimgs that P me off is when people ask wow the fuel an insurance an R tax must be ridiculous... Err I didn't spend 80k to worry about fuel economy and insurance..
I have never been a fan of black wheels but that looks amazing! Wonder what my Singapore grey would look like with colour coded wheels...google image search here I come.2 thimgs that P me off is when people ask wow the fuel an insurance an R tax must be ridiculous... Err I didn't spend 80k to worry about fuel economy and insurance..
joscal said:
playNskillz said:
Had mine for 3 weeks now. My running in service has come around quick!!! Living with it is great long runs I've got 350 miles out of a full tank which is decent in my opinion and 200 town driving.
2 thimgs that P me off is when people ask wow the fuel an insurance an R tax must be ridiculous... Err I didn't spend 80k to worry about fuel economy and insurance..
I have never been a fan of black wheels but that looks amazing! Wonder what my Singapore grey would look like with colour coded wheels...google image search here I come.2 thimgs that P me off is when people ask wow the fuel an insurance an R tax must be ridiculous... Err I didn't spend 80k to worry about fuel economy and insurance..
theboss said:
joscal said:
playNskillz said:
Had mine for 3 weeks now. My running in service has come around quick!!! Living with it is great long runs I've got 350 miles out of a full tank which is decent in my opinion and 200 town driving.
2 thimgs that P me off is when people ask wow the fuel an insurance an R tax must be ridiculous... Err I didn't spend 80k to worry about fuel economy and insurance..
I have never been a fan of black wheels but that looks amazing! Wonder what my Singapore grey would look like with colour coded wheels...google image search here I come.2 thimgs that P me off is when people ask wow the fuel an insurance an R tax must be ridiculous... Err I didn't spend 80k to worry about fuel economy and insurance..
W8PMC said:
That said, my drive to/from the track is in complete luxury & 250 mile drives from my home to my office are a pure joy which i doubt would be the same time & time again in a Caterham.
WOW Paul, 250 miles to work!!, how often do you need to do that?.Edited by W8PMC on Monday 20th July 09:37
Your office in Scotland!.
Just though I'd put this here for those who haven't seen it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_s4PnHyQCs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_s4PnHyQCs
HoHoHo said:
theboss said:
joscal said:
playNskillz said:
Had mine for 3 weeks now. My running in service has come around quick!!! Living with it is great long runs I've got 350 miles out of a full tank which is decent in my opinion and 200 town driving.
2 thimgs that P me off is when people ask wow the fuel an insurance an R tax must be ridiculous... Err I didn't spend 80k to worry about fuel economy and insurance..
I have never been a fan of black wheels but that looks amazing! Wonder what my Singapore grey would look like with colour coded wheels...google image search here I come.2 thimgs that P me off is when people ask wow the fuel an insurance an R tax must be ridiculous... Err I didn't spend 80k to worry about fuel economy and insurance..
Having owned my F10 for nearly a month here are my findings:
Run in: followed the handbook and haven't gone crazy with it, I have exceeded the 106 MPH max speed limit on occasion, but thats just been on the odd blast - general motorway speed is 90 - 100 so no real issue there. I have my 1200 mile run in service booked for Weds 22nd having collected the car brand new on June 24th - So just over a month to do the mileage. I don't use the car daily - as I commute by motorbike into central London.
Looking forward to pressing on after the run-in service has been done, but even while running the car in, the performance is good. I know there is lots of performance to explore, looking forward to see just how quick this car is..
I think the gearbox is great in auto mode - drives just like an automatic - have used M1 and M2 (sport and Sport +) a few times, just to get used to the gear change and how the car firms up, MDM settings etc. Paddles shifts are instant, sport + harsh (can see they would be great for track but haven't used enough to see if to OTT for the road).
I like the interior and cabin, its a nice place to sit, car feels well equipped, kids are happy in the back seats, and its ride is much better than the X5 4.0D M Sport we came from. I opted for the Multi-function seats - these are very comfy, HK audio seems to do the job, rear camera (a must these days), comfort access, 20" alloys, split fold seats (as I have a race bike that I need to fit in). HUD is good, I like the new colours and better resolution (had it on the X5 but this was 2010 tech) and the Nav display is also bigger and better definition.
I went for Singapore Grey - it looks nice when clean and s
te when not, the front of the car and windscreen seem to attract dead insects far easier than anything else I have owned.....
Fuel - My former diesel X5 would only return 24 MPG and this isn't far off that - even better on a motorway, my only issue is to remember to use unleaded fuel - having been used to filling up with diesel for the last 2 years..
Insurance- circa £480 with Admiral.
All in all - very happy with the car - have a road trip to Wales and Isle of Man this weekend, should be fun.
Cheers
Steve
Run in: followed the handbook and haven't gone crazy with it, I have exceeded the 106 MPH max speed limit on occasion, but thats just been on the odd blast - general motorway speed is 90 - 100 so no real issue there. I have my 1200 mile run in service booked for Weds 22nd having collected the car brand new on June 24th - So just over a month to do the mileage. I don't use the car daily - as I commute by motorbike into central London.
Looking forward to pressing on after the run-in service has been done, but even while running the car in, the performance is good. I know there is lots of performance to explore, looking forward to see just how quick this car is..
I think the gearbox is great in auto mode - drives just like an automatic - have used M1 and M2 (sport and Sport +) a few times, just to get used to the gear change and how the car firms up, MDM settings etc. Paddles shifts are instant, sport + harsh (can see they would be great for track but haven't used enough to see if to OTT for the road).
I like the interior and cabin, its a nice place to sit, car feels well equipped, kids are happy in the back seats, and its ride is much better than the X5 4.0D M Sport we came from. I opted for the Multi-function seats - these are very comfy, HK audio seems to do the job, rear camera (a must these days), comfort access, 20" alloys, split fold seats (as I have a race bike that I need to fit in). HUD is good, I like the new colours and better resolution (had it on the X5 but this was 2010 tech) and the Nav display is also bigger and better definition.
I went for Singapore Grey - it looks nice when clean and s
te when not, the front of the car and windscreen seem to attract dead insects far easier than anything else I have owned.....Fuel - My former diesel X5 would only return 24 MPG and this isn't far off that - even better on a motorway, my only issue is to remember to use unleaded fuel - having been used to filling up with diesel for the last 2 years..
Insurance- circa £480 with Admiral.
All in all - very happy with the car - have a road trip to Wales and Isle of Man this weekend, should be fun.
Cheers
Steve
joscal said:
Just though I'd put this here for those who haven't seen it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_s4PnHyQCs
Thanks, I certainly had not. Answers a few questions in my mind about replacing the M5 with an M3. The smaller car and more nimble handling really appeals.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_s4PnHyQCs
mondie said:
Thanks, I certainly had not. Answers a few questions in my mind about replacing the M5 with an M3. The smaller car and more nimble handling really appeals.
Here's another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFroPYlmODk&sns...mondie said:
joscal said:
Just though I'd put this here for those who haven't seen it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_s4PnHyQCs
Thanks, I certainly had not. Answers a few questions in my mind about replacing the M5 with an M3. The smaller car and more nimble handling really appeals.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_s4PnHyQCs
Edited by DT398 on Monday 20th July 20:22
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