What's The F10 M5 Like To Live With Real-world ?

[W8PMC]

popeyewhite said:

As do/are various Mercedes and Audis.

Really? I'm 99% sure with Audi & Merc like BMW it's a cost upgrade to get full leather (dash & doors etc.) I had it on my E60 M5 but again it was a cost option, but as i bought a Demonstrator it was fitted. As per the original quote, not many £60-70k new cars come with a full leather interior as standard & thinking out loud i'd hazard a guess that it's probably only the RR that ticks that box & they're not £60-70k even for the entry level.

[Fezzaman]

popeyewhite said:

Shaoxter said:

likesachange said:

Its not like its a cheap plastic/headlining etc, not sure how many other 70k cars do have a leather clad dash and 200mph capabilities ?

Porsches do. My current Cayenne and 997 have it as standard, as did my previous 996. They were all around £60-70k list price.

As do/are various Mercedes and Audis.

F10 M5s are super rare with full leather due to the ridiculous cost when new - I think only Comp Pack/CCBs were more expensive options. What is annoying is how it was so much cheaper to spec in the US. Here's a breakdown of F10 M5 production: http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1339...

You can see the ratio of full to extended is quite different for stateside vs RoW. If you're absolutely set on full leather + B&O etc you're more likely to find an LCI M6 with it (LCIs have full leather as standard).

[ds666]

I was really set on full leather having had 2 e60 m5s with it ( and my current 335d has it too ) but found one with B and O hi fi and piano trim . The grills on the B and O combined with the piano lift the interior enough to give it a nice feel.

It would be interesting to try a cp car and also ceramic brakes - never tried them .

[popeyewhite]

W8PMC said:

Really? I'm 99% sure with Audi & Merc like BMW it's a cost upgrade to get full leather (dash & doors etc.)

My E63 AMG is all leather as standard. A colleague's new S8 is the same AFAIA.

[theboss]

W8PMC said:

over sized drivers

[cough] powerfully built [/cough]

[Wills2]

popeyewhite said:

My E63 AMG is all leather as standard. A colleague's new S8 is the same AFAIA.

M tex on the dash....

[popeyewhite]

Wills2 said:

M tex on the dash....

Is that an extra?

[W8PMC]

popeyewhite said:

My E63 AMG is all leather as standard. A colleague's new S8 is the same AFAIA.

Full leather is only standard on the S8+ which is a £100k car, it's a £6k option on the regular S8. I'm also not sure it's standard on the previous E63 (I've no idea on the standard spec of the new E63). Will of course be cars that have it but I'm sure it was an option.

Edit to say the regular S8 does have leather on the upper door panels, but not covering the dash etc. as that's the £6k upgrade.

Edited by W8PMC on Wednesday 8th February 22:50

[popeyewhite]

W8PMC said:

Full leather is only standard on the S8+ which is a £100k car, it's a £6k option on the regular S8. I'm also not sure it's standard on the previous E63 (I've no idea on the standard spec of the new E63). Will of course be cars that have it but I'm sure it was an option.

Don't know, mine's leather so maybe I've an option I didn't know about. Mate's S8 is a C6, so looks new!

[anonymous-user]

popeyewhite said:

Is that an extra?

No, the point he is making is that the E63 has leather on the seats but the leather dash effect is in fact MB Tex synthetic leather as opposed to the kappa leather used on the seats.

[likesachange]

popeyewhite said:

As do/are various Mercedes and Audis.

My c63 certainly didn't? and my pals new rs4 doesn't (which is a very high spec ex demo, buckets, pano, carbon, lane assist, 20's etc etc) and paid same as i did for my new M5. You're not confusing the nice soft touch dash with leather are we, which is what the m5 has and does have leather door cards just not "full" leather as standard.

Surprised at the Porsche 911's though having it as a standard item, am sure the ones i looked didn't.... (plus a new 911 variant with m5 performance is considerably more than 60-70k, in fact can you even get a base poverty spec 911 for 60k new? )

Edit, sorry replied to quote before i read rest of replies... think ill stand by what i said then

[Pioneer]

To get a leather dash on a LR Discovery you had to go for a HSE Lux, normal HSE didn't have it. Similar money to these other cars if not a touch more

[popeyewhite]

RSK21 said:

popeyewhite said:

Is that an extra?

No, the point he is making is that the E63 has leather on the seats but the leather dash effect is in fact MB Tex synthetic leather as opposed to the kappa leather used on the seats.

[W8PMC]

popeyewhite said:

Don't know, mine's leather so maybe I've an option I didn't know about. Mate's S8 is a C6, so looks new!

As above, it may 'look' like leather but isn't. To have the 'full' leather on Merc's & Audi's as well as BMW's it's a cost upgrade & an expensive one at that.

As regards the S8, only the S8+ has the leather dash as standard, the non + doesn't & is a cost option. Audi A8's model definition is a D & the current is a D4, the C6 is the model definition for the A6 & that's an old model now as the current A6's are C7 & will soon be moving to C8.

Looking forward to my next car as that has leather as virtually standard everywhere, including the roof lining which should be quite novel.

[JMBMWM5]

HoHoHo said:

Depreciating fast - no faster than any other expensive machine. Sure, buy a 991 GT3/RS and you're in the money. Some exotic machinery will depreciated slower than an M5 but buy a run of the mill 911 for £100k (you can't buy new one for the same cost as an M5 as I'm sure you know) and in three years it's worth £50k trade in. Buy an M5 for £80 and it's worth £40 trade in. I would guess it's no difference in % terms to most cars but the figures are simply higher.

Edited by HoHoHo on Sunday 19th July 08:00

IF you think in 3 years you will get £40K, your dreaming, more like £30K PX.

[popeyewhite]

W8PMC said:

As above, it may 'look' like leather but isn't.

Your knowledge of car upholstery is impressive though.

[Fezzaman]

popeyewhite said:

W8PMC said:

As above, it may 'look' like leather but isn't.

Your knowledge of car upholstery is impressive though.

Haha, I think there are probably a few more leather anoraks/snobs than you realise - usually spoilt by full (real) leather interiors in M cars and Porsches. I'd be fine with a plastic dash like the solid stuff in BMWs of old. What winds me up is plastic dashes/door tops with 'stitching' which just looks naff.

[W8PMC]

popeyewhite said:

Your knowledge of car upholstery is impressive though.

Not in the slightest, very little interest to be honest but i do know what does/doesn't come as standard & that although 'full' leather is a nice addition, for £6k plus it's very much a luxury & not a box i'd tick. IIRC someone said that BMW were pretty much the only Mfctr that asked customers to pay for 'full' leather on cars around the £60k plus level & i purely stated that all the comparative Mfctrs do the same. I then think you said the E63 has it as standard when in fact it doesn't as that's imitation leather.

Nothing more exciting than that really, so has nothing to do with upholstery knowledge, just knowledge of the relevant vehicle sector.

[Amizade]

W8PMC said:

I'd suggest saving a little money & drop the Multi-Function seats as having tried both i found they didn't offer any additional comfort & in fact for more rapid drives (especially on track) the standard seats are more supportive, however the MF seats do look more substantial if their visual appeal is important & for over sized drivers perhaps would offer more comfort.

Surround View is 100& needed as the car's bigger than it feels so a must have as far as i'm concerned.

I didn't bother with Split fold seats, but never needed them so that's down to what you'd perhaps use the car for.

Defo the HK upgrade as it's genuinely a great sound system & would make you question spending £6k on the B&O.

Wheels is a good one, but i chose against the 20" option & am very glad i did as the consensus appears to be that traction is quite a bit better with the 19"s, the ride is slightly improved & of course the tyres are a little cheaper. Also the standard 19"s look very similar to the E39 M5 wheels so personally i think suit the car better & lastly most F10 M5's have the 20" wheels which kind of makes the 19" wheel look like the option wheel.

DMS upgrade FTW

I regularly use the split seats - from dump runs / bikes to surf boards.

I have the standard seats & they are great - the MF seats look nice, but I have heard mixed reports.
HK upgrade is v good & wouldn't bother with B&O - I have 20's and they are fine - the only thing I would have changed is possibly to get the comp pack for a fruitier exhaust - but the standard system sets off neighbour's car alarms on a cold start already!

[tomtom]

Folding seats and through load are both a must have for me.

Can someone who has an M5 tell me if the fold down thing in the middle of the seats is just an arm rest or, if there is a flap there like on the car below, does it mean it has the through load?