What's The F10 M5 Like To Live With Real-world ?
Discussion
spudgun08 said:
I've just traded my M5 in, had it for 18 months and not that sorry to see it go to be honest. It's not a bad car, the dealer service has been great and the car has been faultless.
The main issues for me were...
1. Traction. Too many times, at busy roundabouts, junctions etc, the car would wheel spin as I tried to pull away, traction control would kick in, and leave me paused momentarily in front of oncoming traffic. My c63, m3,m6 or xfr never did this.
The car really needs four wheel drive in my opinion, it just couldn't get the power down unless in perfect conditions. I don't consider myself a bad driver, but not much point in a powerful car that just can't let you use it.
2. The size. It's huge. I've had big cars before, they kinda shrink around me, this one never did, and unless it's on a motorway, it's a pain, especially on narrow lanes. Even minor things like parking in an Ncp is a mare, because if other cars don't give you a wide berth, you can have a right problem actually opening the doors to get in, happened more than once.
3. The looks. I like understated, but this car is truly anonymous, the e60 had something about it, this one doesn't.
4. Steering wheel and seat misaligned. I found myself driving skewed, almost like I was holding the steering wheel slightly to the right of me, very odd.
5. Buy a comp pack car, mine wasn't and the engine noise is pretty dull, I drove a comp pack car and it sounded much better.
6. The seats. I had the comfort seats, and the base was fine, but the backrest caused endless fidgeting as something wasn't actually that comfortable about it.
7. For such a massive car externally, interior space, particularly the rear, was poor imho. Also I had extended leather, and the seam on the driver console near my left knee would dig in evertyime I went round a corner quickly, poor design.
There were other things, but those were the main ones. If I was to buy again, which I wouldn't, I would definitely go for a comp pack car,. Sorry to offer a negative view of the car, but after owning numerous M cars in the past, this is without doubt the most disappointing. Felt like driving a high power , heavy, diesel. It never thrilled me, I won't miss it.
Each to their own I guess. I have had my F10 Comp Pack M5 since new 18 months ago and much prefer it to the C63 and XFR I had before. It's a way better drivers car in my opinion. Traction is always going to be an issue in a car like this, but I would much rather have RWD than AWD. The main issues for me were...
1. Traction. Too many times, at busy roundabouts, junctions etc, the car would wheel spin as I tried to pull away, traction control would kick in, and leave me paused momentarily in front of oncoming traffic. My c63, m3,m6 or xfr never did this.
The car really needs four wheel drive in my opinion, it just couldn't get the power down unless in perfect conditions. I don't consider myself a bad driver, but not much point in a powerful car that just can't let you use it.
2. The size. It's huge. I've had big cars before, they kinda shrink around me, this one never did, and unless it's on a motorway, it's a pain, especially on narrow lanes. Even minor things like parking in an Ncp is a mare, because if other cars don't give you a wide berth, you can have a right problem actually opening the doors to get in, happened more than once.
3. The looks. I like understated, but this car is truly anonymous, the e60 had something about it, this one doesn't.
4. Steering wheel and seat misaligned. I found myself driving skewed, almost like I was holding the steering wheel slightly to the right of me, very odd.
5. Buy a comp pack car, mine wasn't and the engine noise is pretty dull, I drove a comp pack car and it sounded much better.
6. The seats. I had the comfort seats, and the base was fine, but the backrest caused endless fidgeting as something wasn't actually that comfortable about it.
7. For such a massive car externally, interior space, particularly the rear, was poor imho. Also I had extended leather, and the seam on the driver console near my left knee would dig in evertyime I went round a corner quickly, poor design.
There were other things, but those were the main ones. If I was to buy again, which I wouldn't, I would definitely go for a comp pack car,. Sorry to offer a negative view of the car, but after owning numerous M cars in the past, this is without doubt the most disappointing. Felt like driving a high power , heavy, diesel. It never thrilled me, I won't miss it.
Its too early to say whether I'll replace it with the new M5 but I intend to have a very close look at it when it appears.
Welshbeef said:
TheAngryDog said:
Is the new m5 likely to affect values of the f10?
I'm looking to sell my e39 and run something else for 12 months and then look to get into an lci f10 as I'll have been able to save up a fair old chunk of cash for one by then.
No differently to when the E34 M5 came out or the E39 against the E34 or the E60 against the E39 I'm looking to sell my e39 and run something else for 12 months and then look to get into an lci f10 as I'll have been able to save up a fair old chunk of cash for one by then.
The more modern a model of M5 it is the more that have been produced so any "classic" potential gets diluted somewhat / highly unlikely the F10 will ever be a classic/heck even the E60 or even the E39 purely based on volumes produced.
trando said:
Each to their own I guess. I have had my F10 Comp Pack M5 since new 18 months ago and much prefer it to the C63 and XFR I had before. It's a way better drivers car in my opinion. Traction is always going to be an issue in a car like this, but I would much rather have RWD than AWD.
Its too early to say whether I'll replace it with the new M5 but I intend to have a very close look at it when it appears.
Very true. Although in hindsight as far as rwd saloons go, I'd say the 2013 c63 I had was a better car, I preferred the gearbox, the crack on gear changes , it steered better, was more compact yet only had marginally less leg space in the rear, and also although not hugely better, had more traction. It also looked miles better imho.Its too early to say whether I'll replace it with the new M5 but I intend to have a very close look at it when it appears.
spudgun08 said:
Very true. Although in hindsight as far as rwd saloons go, I'd say the 2013 c63 I had was a better car, I preferred the gearbox, the crack on gear changes , it steered better, was more compact yet only had marginally less leg space in the rear, and also although not hugely better, had more traction. It also looked miles better imho.
Is the f10 exhaust less bassy than the e39? My ears ring when the revs are low? (I have hearing issues) TheAngryDog said:
spudgun08 said:
Very true. Although in hindsight as far as rwd saloons go, I'd say the 2013 c63 I had was a better car, I preferred the gearbox, the crack on gear changes , it steered better, was more compact yet only had marginally less leg space in the rear, and also although not hugely better, had more traction. It also looked miles better imho.
Is the f10 exhaust less bassy than the e39? My ears ring when the revs are low? (I have hearing issues) cosworth330 said:
Do you still have your F80 M3 and if so how does it compare to the F10 in everyday use?
Sold it, but it was quick too 80MPH probably as quick as the M5 to 70MPH on a dry day.I found the comfort level way below the M5 and tyre noise was horrendous, it got me down in the end on the poor roads we have in Norfolk.
Economy was better by 2/3 MPG in normal use.
JMBMWM5 said:
Sold it, but it was quick too 80MPH probably as quick as the M5 to 70MPH on a dry day.
I found the comfort level way below the M5 and tyre noise was horrendous, it got me down in the end on the poor roads we have in Norfolk.
Economy was better by 2/3 MPG in normal use.
What is its replacement? I found the comfort level way below the M5 and tyre noise was horrendous, it got me down in the end on the poor roads we have in Norfolk.
Economy was better by 2/3 MPG in normal use.
JMBMWM5 said:
Sold it, but it was quick too 80MPH probably as quick as the M5 to 70MPH on a dry day.
I found the comfort level way below the M5 and tyre noise was horrendous, it got me down in the end on the poor roads we have in Norfolk.
Economy was better by 2/3 MPG in normal use.
It sounds like you should look to the E63 SI found the comfort level way below the M5 and tyre noise was horrendous, it got me down in the end on the poor roads we have in Norfolk.
Economy was better by 2/3 MPG in normal use.
TheAngryDog said:
Is the new m5 likely to affect values of the f10?
I noticed yesterday that the M5 isn't even listed as an available model on bmw.co.uk any more so I assume they're no longer being manufactured - I guess because the new one's around the corner, but until it's available surely values are going to stay steady/rise while they're not being made?gazchap said:
TheAngryDog said:
Is the new m5 likely to affect values of the f10?
I noticed yesterday that the M5 isn't even listed as an available model on bmw.co.uk any more so I assume they're no longer being manufactured - I guess because the new one's around the corner, but until it's available surely values are going to stay steady/rise while they're not being made?It's a car of not limited production run
It is being replaced
Who would buy at strong money now knowing they should drop in the not too distant future
All cars lose money every single day unless in rare circumstances
Welshbeef said:
Highly unlikely
It's a car of not limited production run
It is being replaced
Who would buy at strong money now knowing they should drop in the not too distant future
All cars lose money every single day unless in rare circumstances
+1It's a car of not limited production run
It is being replaced
Who would buy at strong money now knowing they should drop in the not too distant future
All cars lose money every single day unless in rare circumstances
The tech that BMW is putting in the new G30 M5 (according to dealers) will make it a completely different beast to the F10. Will be sure to effect F10 residuals, especially later ones. There will need to be a significant gap between the two in ££££s or very few late F10's will be selling. BMW will most likely do cracking PCP deals on the late F10's to shift them and bend you over on MY16/17 F10 trade-ins. A few months ago I was looking to buy a late F10 M5, run for 2 years and then chop in against a year old M5 G30. Then almost went for a G30 540i Xdrive but decided to wait for the big boy. 12 months I expect before we see them.
Edited by Pioneer on Monday 27th February 18:55
Agree with most of the comments about M5 from member who just got rid
- traction is poor - not much point having power (500/600/700bhp?) if you struggle to use it all until you are already doing well over the speed limit - it badly needs 4 wheel drive. The new model looks like it'll be the fastest yet proving this point. Controversial maybe but anyone who thinks that being sideways in a big heavy car like this on a wet country road is "fun" has a different perspective on life!! Feeling the back end step sideways (always to the left) as you execute an overtake isn't nice when you nearly swipe your rear nearside into the car you are trying to pass. I would much prefer just to be able to nail the power and have it transferred to the road - it's about getting from A to B as quickly and as securely as possible 99% of the time for me.
- it's wide - compare it to a standard 5 series 1860 vs 1891mm, front track :1600mm vs 1627 (I think) - means car washes, parking spaces, multi storey car parks, roads with width restrictions and the Rotherhithe tunnel (!) need focus to avoid scraping your expensive wheels or worse
- it's heavy - feels like you are really punishing it if you take corners hard, doesn't encourage you to hammer it on bends (my front tyres had chunks coming off after a couple of track laps and the brakes were fading!)
Having said all this it is very comfortable and capable - 500+ miles are no hassle in a day. Not many cars offer 5 seats, massive boot, great interior, decent electronics and huge speed. As long as you treat it as a very powerful fast tourer rather than an agile sports car you'll probably be very happy. Also I get constant positive feedback and respect from other motorists including white van drivers .. "rev it mate"! Boy racers rarely seem to try anything either.
- traction is poor - not much point having power (500/600/700bhp?) if you struggle to use it all until you are already doing well over the speed limit - it badly needs 4 wheel drive. The new model looks like it'll be the fastest yet proving this point. Controversial maybe but anyone who thinks that being sideways in a big heavy car like this on a wet country road is "fun" has a different perspective on life!! Feeling the back end step sideways (always to the left) as you execute an overtake isn't nice when you nearly swipe your rear nearside into the car you are trying to pass. I would much prefer just to be able to nail the power and have it transferred to the road - it's about getting from A to B as quickly and as securely as possible 99% of the time for me.
- it's wide - compare it to a standard 5 series 1860 vs 1891mm, front track :1600mm vs 1627 (I think) - means car washes, parking spaces, multi storey car parks, roads with width restrictions and the Rotherhithe tunnel (!) need focus to avoid scraping your expensive wheels or worse
- it's heavy - feels like you are really punishing it if you take corners hard, doesn't encourage you to hammer it on bends (my front tyres had chunks coming off after a couple of track laps and the brakes were fading!)
Having said all this it is very comfortable and capable - 500+ miles are no hassle in a day. Not many cars offer 5 seats, massive boot, great interior, decent electronics and huge speed. As long as you treat it as a very powerful fast tourer rather than an agile sports car you'll probably be very happy. Also I get constant positive feedback and respect from other motorists including white van drivers .. "rev it mate"! Boy racers rarely seem to try anything either.
PowerMatters said:
Agree with most of the comments about M5 from member who just got rid
- traction is poor - not much point having power (500/600/700bhp?) if you struggle to use it all until you are already doing well over the speed limit - it badly needs 4 wheel drive. The new model looks like it'll be the fastest yet proving this point. Controversial maybe but anyone who thinks that being sideways in a big heavy car like this on a wet country road is "fun" has a different perspective on life!! Feeling the back end step sideways (always to the left) as you execute an overtake isn't nice when you nearly swipe your rear nearside into the car you are trying to pass. I would much prefer just to be able to nail the power and have it transferred to the road - it's about getting from A to B as quickly and as securely as possible 99% of the time for me.
- it's wide - compare it to a standard 5 series 1860 vs 1891mm, front track :1600mm vs 1627 (I think) - means car washes, parking spaces, multi storey car parks, roads with width restrictions and the Rotherhithe tunnel (!) need focus to avoid scraping your expensive wheels or worse
- it's heavy - feels like you are really punishing it if you take corners hard, doesn't encourage you to hammer it on bends (my front tyres had chunks coming off after a couple of track laps and the brakes were fading!)
Having said all this it is very comfortable and capable - 500+ miles are no hassle in a day. Not many cars offer 5 seats, massive boot, great interior, decent electronics and huge speed. As long as you treat it as a very powerful fast tourer rather than an agile sports car you'll probably be very happy. Also I get constant positive feedback and respect from other motorists including white van drivers .. "rev it mate"! Boy racers rarely seem to try anything either.
I wouldn't disagree either although mine has never gone sideways with traction control on and in efficient mode. I forget sport/sport plus unless it's dry. 4wd would be a plus definitely I've had most M cars and none needed it due to the torque curve but this one really could do with it albeit I haven't tried the 19" wheels or winter tyres which I believe make a massive difference. - traction is poor - not much point having power (500/600/700bhp?) if you struggle to use it all until you are already doing well over the speed limit - it badly needs 4 wheel drive. The new model looks like it'll be the fastest yet proving this point. Controversial maybe but anyone who thinks that being sideways in a big heavy car like this on a wet country road is "fun" has a different perspective on life!! Feeling the back end step sideways (always to the left) as you execute an overtake isn't nice when you nearly swipe your rear nearside into the car you are trying to pass. I would much prefer just to be able to nail the power and have it transferred to the road - it's about getting from A to B as quickly and as securely as possible 99% of the time for me.
- it's wide - compare it to a standard 5 series 1860 vs 1891mm, front track :1600mm vs 1627 (I think) - means car washes, parking spaces, multi storey car parks, roads with width restrictions and the Rotherhithe tunnel (!) need focus to avoid scraping your expensive wheels or worse
- it's heavy - feels like you are really punishing it if you take corners hard, doesn't encourage you to hammer it on bends (my front tyres had chunks coming off after a couple of track laps and the brakes were fading!)
Having said all this it is very comfortable and capable - 500+ miles are no hassle in a day. Not many cars offer 5 seats, massive boot, great interior, decent electronics and huge speed. As long as you treat it as a very powerful fast tourer rather than an agile sports car you'll probably be very happy. Also I get constant positive feedback and respect from other motorists including white van drivers .. "rev it mate"! Boy racers rarely seem to try anything either.
WindsorRob said:
I'm starting to look at these, though would be a used example. Can anyone give me a view of the cost to extend the BMW warranty, given the complexity, it's something I would consider dependent on cost.
Pretty sure a post exists on this thread detailing the extended warranty options/costs.Depending on whether you need Roadside assistance, what XS you choose & what level of cover (named components to everything), the cost ran from i think £700 - £1300.
PowerMatters said:
Agree with most of the comments about M5 from member who just got rid
- traction is poor - not much point having power (500/600/700bhp?) if you struggle to use it all until you are already doing well over the speed limit - it badly needs 4 wheel drive. The new model looks like it'll be the fastest yet proving this point. Controversial maybe but anyone who thinks that being sideways in a big heavy car like this on a wet country road is "fun" has a different perspective on life!! Feeling the back end step sideways (always to the left) as you execute an overtake isn't nice when you nearly swipe your rear nearside into the car you are trying to pass. I would much prefer just to be able to nail the power and have it transferred to the road - it's about getting from A to B as quickly and as securely as possible 99% of the time for me.
- it's wide - compare it to a standard 5 series 1860 vs 1891mm, front track :1600mm vs 1627 (I think) - means car washes, parking spaces, multi storey car parks, roads with width restrictions and the Rotherhithe tunnel (!) need focus to avoid scraping your expensive wheels or worse
- it's heavy - feels like you are really punishing it if you take corners hard, doesn't encourage you to hammer it on bends (my front tyres had chunks coming off after a couple of track laps and the brakes were fading!)
Having said all this it is very comfortable and capable - 500+ miles are no hassle in a day. Not many cars offer 5 seats, massive boot, great interior, decent electronics and huge speed. As long as you treat it as a very powerful fast tourer rather than an agile sports car you'll probably be very happy. Also I get constant positive feedback and respect from other motorists including white van drivers .. "rev it mate"! Boy racers rarely seem to try anything either.
I still stand by the fact i've never in the 3yrs i've owned mine had any real issue with the traction & i'm running 748bhp but on the 19" wheels. Of course when the road surface is slippery you can't make the same progress you could when it's warm & dry, but that level of sensibility should really apply no matter what car you're driving as AWD doesn't create an un crashable car & i'd deploy the same care whether driving AWD or RWD.- traction is poor - not much point having power (500/600/700bhp?) if you struggle to use it all until you are already doing well over the speed limit - it badly needs 4 wheel drive. The new model looks like it'll be the fastest yet proving this point. Controversial maybe but anyone who thinks that being sideways in a big heavy car like this on a wet country road is "fun" has a different perspective on life!! Feeling the back end step sideways (always to the left) as you execute an overtake isn't nice when you nearly swipe your rear nearside into the car you are trying to pass. I would much prefer just to be able to nail the power and have it transferred to the road - it's about getting from A to B as quickly and as securely as possible 99% of the time for me.
- it's wide - compare it to a standard 5 series 1860 vs 1891mm, front track :1600mm vs 1627 (I think) - means car washes, parking spaces, multi storey car parks, roads with width restrictions and the Rotherhithe tunnel (!) need focus to avoid scraping your expensive wheels or worse
- it's heavy - feels like you are really punishing it if you take corners hard, doesn't encourage you to hammer it on bends (my front tyres had chunks coming off after a couple of track laps and the brakes were fading!)
Having said all this it is very comfortable and capable - 500+ miles are no hassle in a day. Not many cars offer 5 seats, massive boot, great interior, decent electronics and huge speed. As long as you treat it as a very powerful fast tourer rather than an agile sports car you'll probably be very happy. Also I get constant positive feedback and respect from other motorists including white van drivers .. "rev it mate"! Boy racers rarely seem to try anything either.
PowerMatters said:
Agree with most of the comments about M5 from member who just got rid
- traction is poor - not much point having power (500/600/700bhp?) if you struggle to use it all until you are already doing well over the speed limit - it badly needs 4 wheel drive. The new model looks like it'll be the fastest yet proving this point. Controversial maybe but anyone who thinks that being sideways in a big heavy car like this on a wet country road is "fun" has a different perspective on life!! Feeling the back end step sideways (always to the left) as you execute an overtake isn't nice when you nearly swipe your rear nearside into the car you are trying to pass. I would much prefer just to be able to nail the power and have it transferred to the road - it's about getting from A to B as quickly and as securely as possible 99% of the time for me.
- it's wide - compare it to a standard 5 series 1860 vs 1891mm, front track :1600mm vs 1627 (I think) - means car washes, parking spaces, multi storey car parks, roads with width restrictions and the Rotherhithe tunnel (!) need focus to avoid scraping your expensive wheels or worse
- it's heavy - feels like you are really punishing it if you take corners hard, doesn't encourage you to hammer it on bends (my front tyres had chunks coming off after a couple of track laps and the brakes were fading!)
Having said all this it is very comfortable and capable - 500+ miles are no hassle in a day. Not many cars offer 5 seats, massive boot, great interior, decent electronics and huge speed. As long as you treat it as a very powerful fast tourer rather than an agile sports car you'll probably be very happy. Also I get constant positive feedback and respect from other motorists including white van drivers .. "rev it mate"! Boy racers rarely seem to try anything either.
The traction is the main thing that seriously puts me off. I have a 335i 2011 model and even in that on anything but dry weather sometimes is a total pain.- traction is poor - not much point having power (500/600/700bhp?) if you struggle to use it all until you are already doing well over the speed limit - it badly needs 4 wheel drive. The new model looks like it'll be the fastest yet proving this point. Controversial maybe but anyone who thinks that being sideways in a big heavy car like this on a wet country road is "fun" has a different perspective on life!! Feeling the back end step sideways (always to the left) as you execute an overtake isn't nice when you nearly swipe your rear nearside into the car you are trying to pass. I would much prefer just to be able to nail the power and have it transferred to the road - it's about getting from A to B as quickly and as securely as possible 99% of the time for me.
- it's wide - compare it to a standard 5 series 1860 vs 1891mm, front track :1600mm vs 1627 (I think) - means car washes, parking spaces, multi storey car parks, roads with width restrictions and the Rotherhithe tunnel (!) need focus to avoid scraping your expensive wheels or worse
- it's heavy - feels like you are really punishing it if you take corners hard, doesn't encourage you to hammer it on bends (my front tyres had chunks coming off after a couple of track laps and the brakes were fading!)
Having said all this it is very comfortable and capable - 500+ miles are no hassle in a day. Not many cars offer 5 seats, massive boot, great interior, decent electronics and huge speed. As long as you treat it as a very powerful fast tourer rather than an agile sports car you'll probably be very happy. Also I get constant positive feedback and respect from other motorists including white van drivers .. "rev it mate"! Boy racers rarely seem to try anything either.
I cant imagine something with twice the power. I have test drove an m5 and even on a bone dry warm day the TC light was flickering right up to 4th gear. Cant imagine what it would be like even at half throttle in damp/wet conditions in cold temps
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