What's The F10 M5 Like To Live With Real-world ?
Discussion
DT398 said:
I have ordered an F80 M3 to replace the F10 M5 and had one for the day today. It's not as brutally quick as the M5 (but it's still very rapid) nor as refined for wafting along on the motorway, but it still feels like more of an M car to me than the F10. It's more alive and pointy and the steering feels better to me (as long as you leave it in comfort) and it feels way more compact (not a surprise). The engine/exhaust note is a lot more hooligan than the epic M5 but it's not bad in its own right. Not taking a thing away from the M5 and I've loved every minute of it but it was time for a change and I'm really happy to have gone with the M3. Still, if you haven't had an F10 M5, get one.
If I didn't have to take four teenagers to football, cinema etc etc I would have the M3, unfortunately I'm well over 6ft so there's no room in the back for the oinks.Edited by DT398 on Monday 20th July 20:21
As an oldie I prefer the stealthiness, the M3/4 is definitely more of a head turner but most of the time for me looking like a 520d m sport is appealing.
0836whimper said:
Wills2 said:
0836whimper said:
In answer to the OP's question :
Too heavy for track work - Better tell BMW that as they've used them as ring taxis for years and its only about 4 secs slower than the CSL round the ring, not sure what that says about the CSL TBH
Too heavy for track work - Better tell BMW that as they've used them as ring taxis for years and its only about 4 secs slower than the CSL round the ring, not sure what that says about the CSL TBH
You mentioned tracks, no one else did or would, but since you did I pointed out that they are OK on a track, it's not for me to explain to you why YOU brought up the subject.
Dear me......
I'm sure you have played with all the settings but I have only found out 6 months in that sport+ throttle, sport steering,sport suspension and mdm on really transforms the experience. Need your wits about you, especially in the wet but boy is it fun!
Initially I was intimidated but once I realised how chuckable they really are its very good fun.
Especially when it squirms up the road with the crack from 2nd to 3rd. Makes me smile every time.
Initially I was intimidated but once I realised how chuckable they really are its very good fun.
Especially when it squirms up the road with the crack from 2nd to 3rd. Makes me smile every time.
MDM + D2 + sport+ with comfort for suspension and steering is he sweet spot for me in daily driving. (when it's dry)
I'm getting a set of ACS springs fitted in a few weeks to lower the car (25mm front and 20 mm rear) with 12mm spacers all round I think it will finish it off nicely.
I'm getting a set of ACS springs fitted in a few weeks to lower the car (25mm front and 20 mm rear) with 12mm spacers all round I think it will finish it off nicely.
Edited by Wills2 on Monday 20th July 21:56
ellipsis said:
Some of these posters - known on now defunct fora, used to be quite positive and helpful in their input.
Used to be...
If you mean BM3W, then I used to post there all the time over many years and it could get quite heated at times with plenty of characters...Used to be...
But it had a more clubby feel and was friendly once you were in the click, I'm guilty of being a bit PH at times, I will try harder.
But I really do believe there is no point in worrying about MPG and servicing when looking at an M5.
Wills2 said:
MDM + D2 + sport+ with comfort for suspension and steering is he sweet spot for me in daily driving. (when it's dry)
I'm getting a set of ACS springs fitted in a few weeks to lower the car (25mm front and 20 mm rear) with 12mm spacers all round I think it will finish it off nicely.
Would love to see how that sits. I'm getting a set of ACS springs fitted in a few weeks to lower the car (25mm front and 20 mm rear) with 12mm spacers all round I think it will finish it off nicely.
Edited by Wills2 on Monday 20th July 21:56
Wills2 said:
0836whimper said:
Wills2 said:
0836whimper said:
In answer to the OP's question :
Too heavy for track work - Better tell BMW that as they've used them as ring taxis for years and its only about 4 secs slower than the CSL round the ring, not sure what that says about the CSL TBH
Too heavy for track work - Better tell BMW that as they've used them as ring taxis for years and its only about 4 secs slower than the CSL round the ring, not sure what that says about the CSL TBH
You mentioned tracks, no one else did or would, but since you did I pointed out that they are OK on a track, it's not for me to explain to you why YOU brought up the subject.
Dear me......
I never brought up 'Ring taxis as justification for advocating an F10 M5 a good track car, which is misleading. BMW replace everything every few laps and is not representative of the real world.
W8PMC has subsequently provided some very useful info on what an M5 is like to live with including track use, which is better than getting all defensive and attacking the messenger. They are very fast and capable, but expensive in consumables as they are not lightweight, which is what I said all along.
If you want to advise the OP that they are good track proposition for someone on a tight budget, go for it, but almost everyone knows that is not true.
0836whimper said:
Wills2 said:
0836whimper said:
Wills2 said:
0836whimper said:
In answer to the OP's question :
Too heavy for track work - Better tell BMW that as they've used them as ring taxis for years and its only about 4 secs slower than the CSL round the ring, not sure what that says about the CSL TBH
Too heavy for track work - Better tell BMW that as they've used them as ring taxis for years and its only about 4 secs slower than the CSL round the ring, not sure what that says about the CSL TBH
You mentioned tracks, no one else did or would, but since you did I pointed out that they are OK on a track, it's not for me to explain to you why YOU brought up the subject.
Dear me......
I never brought up 'Ring taxis as justification for advocating an F10 M5 a good track car, which is misleading. BMW replace everything every few laps and is not representative of the real world.
W8PMC has subsequently provided some very useful info on what an M5 is like to live with including track use, which is better than getting all defensive and attacking the messenger. They are very fast and capable, but expensive in consumables as they are not lightweight, which is what I said all along.
If you want to advise the OP that they are good track proposition for someone on a tight budget, go for it, but almost everyone knows that is not true.
I won't mention my Evo6 tommi mak that would probably beat them all on the twistys.
Chill everyone I just got a positive from the Dr after 3 years of tests so there is a lot more to life than this.
Just don't mention the R35 Gtr😉
0836whimper said:
Calm down.
I never brought up 'Ring taxis as justification for advocating an F10 M5 a good track car, which is misleading. BMW replace everything every few laps and is not representative of the real world.
W8PMC has subsequently provided some very useful info on what an M5 is like to live with including track use, which is better than getting all defensive and attacking the messenger. They are very fast and capable, but expensive in consumables as they are not lightweight, which is what I said all along.
If you want to advise the OP that they are good track proposition for someone on a tight budget, go for it, but almost everyone knows that is not true.
I never brought up 'Ring taxis as justification for advocating an F10 M5 a good track car, which is misleading. BMW replace everything every few laps and is not representative of the real world.
W8PMC has subsequently provided some very useful info on what an M5 is like to live with including track use, which is better than getting all defensive and attacking the messenger. They are very fast and capable, but expensive in consumables as they are not lightweight, which is what I said all along.
If you want to advise the OP that they are good track proposition for someone on a tight budget, go for it, but almost everyone knows that is not true.
Ah bless, still wriggling I see
Go back, read your post see that you mentioned track work no one else did (other posters have also pointed this out to you) I merely responded and rebutted the nonsense you'd spouted about power delivery/economy and also pointed out that despite your views to the contrary they are used regularly on track by BMW. I made no mention of the cost of doing so or made any recommendation, I'm baffled as to where you're getting this all from.
I understand you don't like being wrong or rebutted but that happens to everyone, so just suck it up or can I suggest you move on if you've got nothing more to add?
An amusing thread this.
A number of geezers on here have gone from Evos to M5s.
Lucky b
ds the lot of them.
I've not driven an Evo since the 1st Sep 2007 when I sold my Evo 8 MR FQ 340 (in gunmetal grey), not far before an appearance at Southend Magistrates Court.
I cried as it was driven away.
If there was one car I'd drive to save my life, that would be it.
Mental cars that love testing situations...
A number of geezers on here have gone from Evos to M5s.
Lucky b
ds the lot of them.I've not driven an Evo since the 1st Sep 2007 when I sold my Evo 8 MR FQ 340 (in gunmetal grey), not far before an appearance at Southend Magistrates Court.
I cried as it was driven away.
If there was one car I'd drive to save my life, that would be it.
Mental cars that love testing situations...
Jazzer said:
An amusing thread this.
A number of geezers on here have gone from Evos to M5s.
Lucky bds the lot of them.
I've not driven an Evo since the 1st Sep 2007 when I sold my Evo 8 MR FQ 340 (in gunmetal grey), not far before an appearance at Southend Magistrates Court.
I cried as it was driven away.
If there was one car I'd drive to save my life, that would be it.
Mental cars that love testing situations...
Absolutely mental. The last time I drove a FQ340 I had cramp in leg for two days after and a sore pair of hips from the seats. A number of geezers on here have gone from Evos to M5s.
Lucky b
ds the lot of them.I've not driven an Evo since the 1st Sep 2007 when I sold my Evo 8 MR FQ 340 (in gunmetal grey), not far before an appearance at Southend Magistrates Court.
I cried as it was driven away.
If there was one car I'd drive to save my life, that would be it.
Mental cars that love testing situations...
joscal said:
Interesting what you can learn on here, I usually drive in D1 or paddles and tried D2 yesterday and it is a revelation. I always thought D1 was a bit meh put just put up with it.
Cheers all.
You make a good point. I may become a tad more adventurous with my settings rather than stick with normal & switch to M1/M2 when the mood takes me.Cheers all.
joscal said:
Interesting what you can learn on here, I usually drive in D1 or paddles and tried D2 yesterday and it is a revelation. I always thought D1 was a bit meh put just put up with it.
Cheers all.
It is interesting playing with the various combinations of settings. I've recently started using D2 more as opposed to flipping to S3 and changing manually, and its good. I find its quick enough to make for swift, decdisive overtakes with fast downshifts but its also relaxed enough to shift up into 7th when you're cruising. D3 on the other hand seems to want to keep you in the lowest gear possible Cheers all.
At the moment I have preset mine as follows, but I do change it around a lot:
Default comfortable settings - can't change - use this around town or when cruising on motorways
M1 - this is my faster 'everyday' A-road setup with D2, sport throttle, comfort suspension, comfort steering, DTC on, normal HUD view (just incase I'm using sat nav guidance)
M2 - more of a 'pressing on' setup with S3, sport+ throttle, sport suspension, sport steering, DTC on, M HUD view
If I want to change any setting from above I'll do so manually. As and when I get more comfortable with MDM I'd program that into M2. I find myself shifting manually a lot too - I enjoy being in control of the 1st-2nd and 2nd-3rd upchanges then shove it back into D when on the move.
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