What's The F10 M5 Like To Live With Real-world ?
Discussion
RWD cossie wil said:
Test drove a CP 15 plate today....
Beautiful car, however I don't think I can justify dumping 48k into one. I think I have been spoilt by my 911 turbo & and am expecting slightly too much of a 2 ton saloon, but it just didn't "feel" fast.
Second time I have been out in one & felt slightly underwhelmed, undoubtedly it is a very quick car, just not sure if I'm looking in the wrong place for a speed fix?
Current fleet is a 911/996 turbo tuned to 620+Bhp, a 550Bhp supercharged E46M3 & a remapped E60 535d. Plan was to sell the E46 & E60 to put both running costs into one car, and keep the 911 as the fun car, with the M5 as a daily.
Confused now, really wanted to love it, but heart wasn't palpitating during the test drive.
Oops, hope that's not me too. Looking to get back into an M5 after having 3 previous. Currently running a 997 gen 2 Turbo S. Haven't driven an F10 yet and now you've got me a bit worried! Beautiful car, however I don't think I can justify dumping 48k into one. I think I have been spoilt by my 911 turbo & and am expecting slightly too much of a 2 ton saloon, but it just didn't "feel" fast.
Second time I have been out in one & felt slightly underwhelmed, undoubtedly it is a very quick car, just not sure if I'm looking in the wrong place for a speed fix?
Current fleet is a 911/996 turbo tuned to 620+Bhp, a 550Bhp supercharged E46M3 & a remapped E60 535d. Plan was to sell the E46 & E60 to put both running costs into one car, and keep the 911 as the fun car, with the M5 as a daily.
Confused now, really wanted to love it, but heart wasn't palpitating during the test drive.
[quote=jm doc]
Oops, hope that's not me too. Looking to get back into an M5 after having 3 previous. Currently running a 997 gen 2 Turbo S. Haven't driven an F10 yet and now you've got me a bit worried!
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The problem is, the 535d is such a good car anyway, an M5 is a natural extension of it. Coupled with the fact that the 911 turbo is obviously far more raw compared to a 5 series, so it naturally "feels" much quicker, has left my M5 idea in a state of confusion...
My cost to change is about 38k from the 535d, plus factoring in depreciation from 47k over 5 years is likely to be 20k, instead of probably 4K from my 535d now So looking at 54k to buy & run one from where I am now...... that's a hell of a lot of cash for the M5 really, and would see me about 75-80% built on an Ultima GTR with a very nice spec....
Is it worth 54k over 5 years to drive an M5, compared to my 535d? Added to the higher running costs? I just don't know.
Oops, hope that's not me too. Looking to get back into an M5 after having 3 previous. Currently running a 997 gen 2 Turbo S. Haven't driven an F10 yet and now you've got me a bit worried!
[/quote=jm doc]
The problem is, the 535d is such a good car anyway, an M5 is a natural extension of it. Coupled with the fact that the 911 turbo is obviously far more raw compared to a 5 series, so it naturally "feels" much quicker, has left my M5 idea in a state of confusion...
My cost to change is about 38k from the 535d, plus factoring in depreciation from 47k over 5 years is likely to be 20k, instead of probably 4K from my 535d now So looking at 54k to buy & run one from where I am now...... that's a hell of a lot of cash for the M5 really, and would see me about 75-80% built on an Ultima GTR with a very nice spec....
Is it worth 54k over 5 years to drive an M5, compared to my 535d? Added to the higher running costs? I just don't know.
Edited by RWD cossie wil on Monday 13th March 23:29
RWD cossie wil]m doc said:
Oops, hope that's not me too. Looking to get back into an M5 after having 3 previous. Currently running a 997 gen 2 Turbo S. Haven't driven an F10 yet and now you've got me a bit worried!
[/quote=jm doc]
The problem is, the 535d is such a good car anyway, an M5 is a natural extension of it. Coupled with the fact that the 911 turbo is obviously far more raw compared to a 5 series, so it naturally "feels" much quicker, has left my M5 idea in a state of confusion...
My cost to change is about 38k from the 535d, plus factoring in depreciation from 47k over 5 years is likely to be 20k, instead of probably 4K from my 535d now So looking at 54k to buy & run one from where I am now...... that's a hell of a lot of cash for the M5 really, and would see me about 75-80% built on an Ultima GTR with a very nice spec....
Is it worth 54k over 5 years to drive an M5, compared to my 535d? Added to the higher running costs? I just don't know.
After having the LCI M5 then M6GC CP , I can say with confidence, the M5 will NOT be the supercar you think, I now have the last of the F10 535D M Sport and it really is a good all rounder.[/quote=jm doc]
The problem is, the 535d is such a good car anyway, an M5 is a natural extension of it. Coupled with the fact that the 911 turbo is obviously far more raw compared to a 5 series, so it naturally "feels" much quicker, has left my M5 idea in a state of confusion...
My cost to change is about 38k from the 535d, plus factoring in depreciation from 47k over 5 years is likely to be 20k, instead of probably 4K from my 535d now So looking at 54k to buy & run one from where I am now...... that's a hell of a lot of cash for the M5 really, and would see me about 75-80% built on an Ultima GTR with a very nice spec....
Is it worth 54k over 5 years to drive an M5, compared to my 535d? Added to the higher running costs? I just don't know.
Edited by RWD cossie wil on Monday 13th March 23:29
However I am still restless.
RWD cossie wil said:
My cost to change is about 38k from the 535d, plus factoring in depreciation from 47k over 5 years is likely to be 20k, instead of probably 4K from my 535d now So looking at 54k to buy & run one from where I am now......
Are you sure you've done your man maths correctly?? 
You're adding depreciation onto the purchase price.
Shaoxte said:
RWD cossie wil said:
My cost to change is about 38k from the 535d, plus factoring in depreciation from 47k over 5 years is likely to be 20k, instead of probably 4K from my 535d now So looking at 54k to buy & run one from where I am now......
Are you sure you've done your man maths correctly?? You're adding depreciation onto the purchase price.
20k (what you lose if you buy one) - 4k (what you'd lose anyway if you didn't) = 16k (the difference)
16k more to buy and run one from where you are now. Much more palatable no?
BMWBen said:
I think he's taken the man maths that the missus did for him
20k (what you lose if you buy one) - 4k (what you'd lose anyway if you didn't) = 16k (the difference)
16k more to buy and run one from where you are now. Much more palatable no?
Exactly and then £3,200 per annum over 5 years....20k (what you lose if you buy one) - 4k (what you'd lose anyway if you didn't) = 16k (the difference)
16k more to buy and run one from where you are now. Much more palatable no?
A paltry £8.75 per day....come on !!
Shaoxter said:
Are you sure you've done your man maths correctly??
You're adding depreciation onto the purchase price.
I've never really bought depreciating cars before, my 911 & M3 will both sell comfortably above what I paid for them, the 535d is the exception....You're adding depreciation onto the purchase price.
Just seems a lot of £££ for a car that hasn't blown me away, not sure if a half hour test drive is enough really, but I'm thinking I could keep my E60 (which is a great car anyway) & buy/build most of an Ultima GTR for the M5s purchase price?
TAZ 215 said:
I am 2 weeks into F10 M5 ownership.
My last 3 cars are a Porsche 996 C4 manual, BMW 640d and Golf R manual.
So, I went into M5 ownership with some high expectations and some auto worries.
Oh boy, it is more, bigger and better than I'd imagined.
I don't drive around with my trousers on fire as I did in the R.
I walk out to the M5 with the presence and sense of occasion I got in the 911.
The whole village knows when I go to work at 6.30am! It's ultrafast, ultra comfortable but fantastically noisy and fun when poked. That automatic box is amazing but the paddles make it a musical instrument!
I absolutely love the understated looks, q car status but super car performance.
Downside?
Just received my V5, my 13 plate 22k car is on its 5th owner!
Ave mpg so far 18.9mpg, traction control light flashed constantly- it's not cheap motoring. I completely understand why 4 previous owners have said goodbye!
If you want fast cheap thrills get an R.
If you want ultimate and can stomach the bills just get an M5 F10!
Funnily enough, I've just got myself a Golf R with dsg, absolutely adore it, haven't missed the m5 at all.My last 3 cars are a Porsche 996 C4 manual, BMW 640d and Golf R manual.
So, I went into M5 ownership with some high expectations and some auto worries.
Oh boy, it is more, bigger and better than I'd imagined.
I don't drive around with my trousers on fire as I did in the R.
I walk out to the M5 with the presence and sense of occasion I got in the 911.
The whole village knows when I go to work at 6.30am! It's ultrafast, ultra comfortable but fantastically noisy and fun when poked. That automatic box is amazing but the paddles make it a musical instrument!
I absolutely love the understated looks, q car status but super car performance.
Downside?
Just received my V5, my 13 plate 22k car is on its 5th owner!
Ave mpg so far 18.9mpg, traction control light flashed constantly- it's not cheap motoring. I completely understand why 4 previous owners have said goodbye!
If you want fast cheap thrills get an R.
If you want ultimate and can stomach the bills just get an M5 F10!
spudgun08 said:
Funnily enough, I've just got myself a Golf R with dsg, absolutely adore it, haven't missed the m5 at all.
We're all different 
I went from a Mk7 Golf to the M5. The Golf is a great, quick car but I hated the fact that I couldn't turn the ESP off. The M5 is always adjustable. The M5 does cost a bundle more to run, but it does the good family car role (in comfort and efficient modes), but quickly becomes a monster when I hit M2 (sport plus throttle, sport suspension, III gearshift and MDM).RWD cossie wil said:
Shaoxter said:
Are you sure you've done your man maths correctly??
You're adding depreciation onto the purchase price.
I've never really bought depreciating cars before, my 911 & M3 will both sell comfortably above what I paid for them, the 535d is the exception....You're adding depreciation onto the purchase price.
Just seems a lot of £££ for a car that hasn't blown me away, not sure if a half hour test drive is enough really, but I'm thinking I could keep my E60 (which is a great car anyway) & buy/build most of an Ultima GTR for the M5s purchase price?
For me the technical marvel and the sheer power are enough to keep me interested with the M5, but I can appreciate that for others that isn't enough. It blows me away but in a completely different way to cars that have more soul.
V5Ade said:
spudgun08 said:
Funnily enough, I've just got myself a Golf R with dsg, absolutely adore it, haven't missed the m5 at all.
We're all different I went from a Mk7 Golf to the M5. The Golf is a great, quick car but I hated the fact that I couldn't turn the ESP off. The M5 is always adjustable. The M5 does cost a bundle more to run, but it does the good family car role (in comfort and efficient modes), but quickly becomes a monster when I hit M2 (sport plus throttle, sport suspension, III gearshift and MDM).So.... Still can't get an M5 out of my head!
I'm a bit worried about spending circa 48k on a car that is at the end of its model line...
However, the options are as follows as far as I can see?
1) pay the money, get a virtually new M5 with <10k on the clock, 2 years BMW warranty remaining, a great spec with comp pack, 4 years of service pack remaining...
2) save 10-15k, buy a non CP car (unless one pops up that fits the bill) from an Indi, slightly higher mileage (30-35k) & either take the chance or put it back into a BMW warranty?
Option 1 sort of appeals as even though over the course of the ownership, it will depreciate more, the warranty & service pack should play off some of the difference?
I'm a bit worried about spending circa 48k on a car that is at the end of its model line...
However, the options are as follows as far as I can see?
1) pay the money, get a virtually new M5 with <10k on the clock, 2 years BMW warranty remaining, a great spec with comp pack, 4 years of service pack remaining...
2) save 10-15k, buy a non CP car (unless one pops up that fits the bill) from an Indi, slightly higher mileage (30-35k) & either take the chance or put it back into a BMW warranty?
Option 1 sort of appeals as even though over the course of the ownership, it will depreciate more, the warranty & service pack should play off some of the difference?
RWD cossie wil said:
So.... Still can't get an M5 out of my head!
I'm a bit worried about spending circa 48k on a car that is at the end of its model line...
However, the options are as follows as far as I can see?
1) pay the money, get a virtually new M5 with <10k on the clock, 2 years BMW warranty remaining, a great spec with comp pack, 4 years of service pack remaining...
2) save 10-15k, buy a non CP car (unless one pops up that fits the bill) from an Indi, slightly higher mileage (30-35k) & either take the chance or put it back into a BMW warranty?
Option 1 sort of appeals as even though over the course of the ownership, it will depreciate more, the warranty & service pack should play off some of the difference?
There is a CP M5 at BMW Sytner Chigwell I think that's in the Superman colour combo on a 63 plate with around 16k miles on the clock for £39k.I'm a bit worried about spending circa 48k on a car that is at the end of its model line...
However, the options are as follows as far as I can see?
1) pay the money, get a virtually new M5 with <10k on the clock, 2 years BMW warranty remaining, a great spec with comp pack, 4 years of service pack remaining...
2) save 10-15k, buy a non CP car (unless one pops up that fits the bill) from an Indi, slightly higher mileage (30-35k) & either take the chance or put it back into a BMW warranty?
Option 1 sort of appeals as even though over the course of the ownership, it will depreciate more, the warranty & service pack should play off some of the difference?
Could always go for something like this, negotiate a 2 year warranty into your deal and and it could work out pretty well.
I've seen non-CP 15 plate cars around the £40k mark with high spec still with plenty manufacturer warranty left with some still having service packs.
There are some good ones out there. I'm only struggling because I want a fully loaded CP car (although I might need to rethink-compromise soon as I really would like to get into an M5 without having to wait 6 months which I don't want to do after having done so when buying my last car)
The M5 is a car the doesn't generally "feel" fast, certainly to me it doesn't. Only on occasions it feels bonkers.
Its so refined and muted that it completely dilutes the sensation of speed. That was more than likely its objective tbf, especially for powerfully built executives
I find my self driving with front windows slightly down to enjoy the noise. From the outside they do sound rather nice.
Try a M3? maybe more suitable definitely much more raw but the interior is poor and identical to a 1 series dash.
VFM you wont beat the M5 imo. You just have to get over the depreciation part .....
Maybe try and get booked onto a ///M experience day and try a few on the track.
Its so refined and muted that it completely dilutes the sensation of speed. That was more than likely its objective tbf, especially for powerfully built executives
I find my self driving with front windows slightly down to enjoy the noise. From the outside they do sound rather nice.
Try a M3? maybe more suitable definitely much more raw but the interior is poor and identical to a 1 series dash.
VFM you wont beat the M5 imo. You just have to get over the depreciation part .....
Maybe try and get booked onto a ///M experience day and try a few on the track.
likesachange said:
The M5 is a car the doesn't generally "feel" fast, certainly to me it doesn't. Only on occasions it feels bonkers.
Its so refined and muted that it completely dilutes the sensation of speed. That was more than likely its objective tbf, especially for powerfully built executives
I find my self driving with front windows slightly down to enjoy the noise. From the outside they do sound rather nice.
Try a M3? maybe more suitable definitely much more raw but the interior is poor and identical to a 1 series dash.
VFM you wont beat the M5 imo. You just have to get over the depreciation part .....
Maybe try and get booked onto a ///M experience day and try a few on the track.
I took mine for a drive on the twisties the other day, and you're right, it was just lapping it all up with no drama. Only glances at the speedo really let you know just how rapidly progress is being made. But... when the road straightened out and I could actually go full throttle briefly it didn't half take my breath away.... Followed by hard braking Its so refined and muted that it completely dilutes the sensation of speed. That was more than likely its objective tbf, especially for powerfully built executives
I find my self driving with front windows slightly down to enjoy the noise. From the outside they do sound rather nice.
Try a M3? maybe more suitable definitely much more raw but the interior is poor and identical to a 1 series dash.
VFM you wont beat the M5 imo. You just have to get over the depreciation part .....
Maybe try and get booked onto a ///M experience day and try a few on the track.
Buy one, take it to the Nurburgring and marvel in how well it hustles round the place.
Ring isn't too hard on brakes (if you know where you're going) and the car is very fast and composed round there.
You will certainly get a sense of speed there.
I think F10 is too fast for UK roads - I've had mine since new - just under 2 years and covered 19k miles in it.
When it has traction it is very quick, when it doesn't (even with the TC on) it can and will try and get you in trouble.
Now it looks like the weather is improving - now would be a good time to enjoy one, just be aware they are a handful in the cold and wet if trying to make swift progress.
Cheers
Steve
Ring isn't too hard on brakes (if you know where you're going) and the car is very fast and composed round there.
You will certainly get a sense of speed there.
I think F10 is too fast for UK roads - I've had mine since new - just under 2 years and covered 19k miles in it.
When it has traction it is very quick, when it doesn't (even with the TC on) it can and will try and get you in trouble.
Now it looks like the weather is improving - now would be a good time to enjoy one, just be aware they are a handful in the cold and wet if trying to make swift progress.
Cheers
Steve
Amizade said:
Does anyone know why every now and again the DAB presets on the dash dont work and you can only change radio stations through the i-drive ?
Apart from that, I'm two years in & love mine - the 535d was ok, but too bland & a dirty oil burner !
Never seen this?Apart from that, I'm two years in & love mine - the 535d was ok, but too bland & a dirty oil burner !
Are you able to change station using the right hand jog wheel on the steering wheel?
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