What's The F10 M5 Like To Live With Real-world ?
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theboss said:
Yes PH with lots of owners running M5/M6 and other similarly powerful RWD cars tuned with >700bhp and not complaining about them...
I had mine at 750bhp for 75k miles and had no problem using full power - it just involved a little bit of discretion and acceptance of the fact that there’s no point engaging with Golf R drivers on greasy wet roundabouts.
You e had the same Golf GT TDI PD 115 as I used to - lovely comfy piece of kit which could deliver genuinely amazing MPG. I had mine at 750bhp for 75k miles and had no problem using full power - it just involved a little bit of discretion and acceptance of the fact that there’s no point engaging with Golf R drivers on greasy wet roundabouts.
Welshbeef said:
jamoor said:
Engine sounds like a harmonica
Too powerful for 2wd (can't use all 550hp making it a waste of time)
Corrosion under front wing mirrors.
Not great transmission and had problems with pulling away smoothly when the car would decide to use 2nd.
Wouldn't recommend.
I had zero corrosion on my 2010 model what so ever. Too powerful for 2wd (can't use all 550hp making it a waste of time)
Corrosion under front wing mirrors.
Not great transmission and had problems with pulling away smoothly when the car would decide to use 2nd.
Wouldn't recommend.
What year was yours, were you the first owner ie can you verify no damage there which might have caused it. Did you get it all rectified within the 10 year OEM rust warranty?
It took 3 months to get authorisation to repair under warranty from BMW which was another farce (alongside the they all do that sir with the transmission meant I never bought another BMW after owning them for 10 years)
theboss said:
puttything said:
jamoor said:
Too powerful for 2wd (can't use all 550hp making it a waste of time)
You realise this is PistonHeads?I had mine at 750bhp for 75k miles and had no problem using full power - it just involved a little bit of discretion and acceptance of the fact that there’s no point engaging with Golf R drivers on greasy wet roundabouts.
550hp but can only use 400 of it 90% of the time, no point in that then.
Why do you think the new M5 is 4wd.
I thought all that nonsense finished after the e39 was replaced?
I certainly still haven't ever seen such issues in the e60/e90. I don't doubt there is the odd occurrence but the corrosion resistance was exponentially improved with those cars, seems odd for it to become a common issue on the F10.
I certainly still haven't ever seen such issues in the e60/e90. I don't doubt there is the odd occurrence but the corrosion resistance was exponentially improved with those cars, seems odd for it to become a common issue on the F10.
Patrick Bateman said:
I thought all that nonsense finished after the e39 was replaced?
I certainly still haven't ever seen such issues in the e60/e90. I don't doubt there is the odd occurrence but the corrosion resistance was exponentially improved with those cars, seems odd for it to become a common issue on the F10.
Interesting viewpoint. I certainly still haven't ever seen such issues in the e60/e90. I don't doubt there is the odd occurrence but the corrosion resistance was exponentially improved with those cars, seems odd for it to become a common issue on the F10.
Manufacturers are under pressure to cut production costs and materials costs all the time. That leads to issues. Same with never ending emissions race and its affect on reliability.
Edited by bmwmike on Sunday 5th January 20:51
bmwmike said:
Correct. I was being lazy. End result is the similar enough though, paint flaking off mine. Bare metal exposed, looked crap. Was surprised how fast it spread.
Yep, my old 2013 LCI car had bubbling paint on the doors due to aluminium corrosion. BMW approved bodyshop repaired it and painted it a different shade of Silverstone II. The car looked like a patchwork quilt when it came back 
bmwmike said:
Correct. I was being lazy. End result is the similar enough though, paint flaking off mine. Bare metal exposed, looked crap. Was surprised how fast it spread.
Aluminium is an extremely reactive metal, this is usually masked by the layer of Aluminium oxide that forms immediately on contact with air. Once corrosion takes hold it can spread at an alarming rate, this happens especially if there are other metals in direct contact that cause galvanic corrosion as it is second only to Zinc and Magnesium in galvanic series.jamoor said:
theboss said:
puttything said:
jamoor said:
Too powerful for 2wd (can't use all 550hp making it a waste of time)
You realise this is PistonHeads?I had mine at 750bhp for 75k miles and had no problem using full power - it just involved a little bit of discretion and acceptance of the fact that there’s no point engaging with Golf R drivers on greasy wet roundabouts.
550hp but can only use 400 of it 90% of the time, no point in that then.
Why do you think the new M5 is 4wd.
With the F90, it'll take on and trash anything on a greasy wet roundabout, not just a Golf R.
jm doc said:
jamoor said:
theboss said:
puttything said:
jamoor said:
Too powerful for 2wd (can't use all 550hp making it a waste of time)
You realise this is PistonHeads?I had mine at 750bhp for 75k miles and had no problem using full power - it just involved a little bit of discretion and acceptance of the fact that there’s no point engaging with Golf R drivers on greasy wet roundabouts.
550hp but can only use 400 of it 90% of the time, no point in that then.
Why do you think the new M5 is 4wd.
With the F90, it'll take on and trash anything on a greasy wet roundabout, not just a Golf R.
Edited by jamoor on Monday 6th January 12:52
jm doc said:
Sums up the whole problem with the F10, it had to be absolutely bone dry dead straight road to be able to floor the throttle.
With the F90, it'll take on and trash anything on a greasy wet roundabout, not just a Golf R.
I'd agree with this, I found my F10 frustrating more often than not here in rainy Ireland. I didn't have the same problem with my E39 or E60 there's a lot to be said for NA engines in wet conditions IMHO. The performance was absolutely ballistic though!With the F90, it'll take on and trash anything on a greasy wet roundabout, not just a Golf R.
Edited by Joscal on Monday 6th January 16:58
jamoor said:
jm doc said:
jamoor said:
theboss said:
puttything said:
jamoor said:
Too powerful for 2wd (can't use all 550hp making it a waste of time)
You realise this is PistonHeads?I had mine at 750bhp for 75k miles and had no problem using full power - it just involved a little bit of discretion and acceptance of the fact that there’s no point engaging with Golf R drivers on greasy wet roundabouts.
550hp but can only use 400 of it 90% of the time, no point in that then.
Why do you think the new M5 is 4wd.
With the F90, it'll take on and trash anything on a greasy wet roundabout, not just a Golf R.
Edited by jamoor on Monday 6th January 12:52
The F90 performance is incredible, I concur, and supremely confidence inspiring in s
t conditions. It’s just a shame it isn’t so compelling as a high mileage performance daily or something I would happily drive across Europe and back in. If I wanted a smaller-feeling sportier less comfortable setup with a smaller boot and smaller petrol tank just to show all the Golf R and SQ5 drivers up I might as well just buy something like an RS3. The M5 has lost its more grown-up feel with the F90 IMHO.
I live in Shropshire which is hardly the Sahara desert and really don’t believe RWD is as severely compromised as some of you say. I certainly don’t hang around and haven’t ever had a brown trouser moment. I just keep it on fresh Michelin’s which are surprisingly inexpensive on 19” wheels and apply throttle inputs with due consideration.
t conditions. It’s just a shame it isn’t so compelling as a high mileage performance daily or something I would happily drive across Europe and back in. If I wanted a smaller-feeling sportier less comfortable setup with a smaller boot and smaller petrol tank just to show all the Golf R and SQ5 drivers up I might as well just buy something like an RS3. The M5 has lost its more grown-up feel with the F90 IMHO.I live in Shropshire which is hardly the Sahara desert and really don’t believe RWD is as severely compromised as some of you say. I certainly don’t hang around and haven’t ever had a brown trouser moment. I just keep it on fresh Michelin’s which are surprisingly inexpensive on 19” wheels and apply throttle inputs with due consideration.
jm doc said:
Nope, they're just point and squirt, and even then I'd back the F90
Yup and Pretty much any AWD performance car is just point and click / squit isn't it?I think driving a slightly compromised car requires a bit more involvement to get the most out of it. Rather than just stomp and go,but work with it to get the best from it. More fun overall imo.
theboss said:
The F90 performance is incredible, I concur, and supremely confidence inspiring in st conditions. It’s just a shame it isn’t so compelling as a high mileage performance daily or something I would happily drive across Europe and back in. If I wanted a smaller-feeling sportier less comfortable setup with a smaller boot and smaller petrol tank just to show all the Golf R and SQ5 drivers up I might as well just buy something like an RS3. The M5 has lost its more grown-up feel with the F90 IMHO.
I live in Shropshire which is hardly the Sahara desert and really don’t believe RWD is as severely compromised as some of you say. I certainly don’t hang around and haven’t ever had a brown trouser moment. I just keep it on fresh Michelin’s which are surprisingly inexpensive on 19” wheels and apply throttle inputs with due consideration.
Well I use mine as a high performance daily and been across Europe twice in it already and it's the best M5 I have had in the 20 or so years of ownership. t conditions. It’s just a shame it isn’t so compelling as a high mileage performance daily or something I would happily drive across Europe and back in. If I wanted a smaller-feeling sportier less comfortable setup with a smaller boot and smaller petrol tank just to show all the Golf R and SQ5 drivers up I might as well just buy something like an RS3. The M5 has lost its more grown-up feel with the F90 IMHO.I live in Shropshire which is hardly the Sahara desert and really don’t believe RWD is as severely compromised as some of you say. I certainly don’t hang around and haven’t ever had a brown trouser moment. I just keep it on fresh Michelin’s which are surprisingly inexpensive on 19” wheels and apply throttle inputs with due consideration.
In the 40k miles I did in an F10, it was almost impossible to accelerate in normal conditions without the TC light flashing away, that's despite the frequently needed fresh Michelins on the rear.
And why would you ever buy an RS3 "just to show Golf R and SQ5 drivers up" Bizarre.
jm doc said:
Well I use mine as a high performance daily and been across Europe twice in it already and it's the best M5 I have had in the 20 or so years of ownership.
In the 40k miles I did in an F10, it was almost impossible to accelerate in normal conditions without the TC light flashing away, that's despite the frequently needed fresh Michelins on the rear.
And why would you ever buy an RS3 "just to show Golf R and SQ5 drivers up" Bizarre.
The point above about “destroying” anything else on a wet roundabout - the F90 party trick that the RWD car can’t pull off. In the 40k miles I did in an F10, it was almost impossible to accelerate in normal conditions without the TC light flashing away, that's despite the frequently needed fresh Michelins on the rear.
And why would you ever buy an RS3 "just to show Golf R and SQ5 drivers up" Bizarre.
I’m still scratching my head because I use full throttle in my car all the time without traction issues. Are you talking about 0-30? F10 will always scrabble for traction from a standing start (stating the obvious) but once it’s hooked up it’s fine. How I ever managed with 750bhp and 0-100 in 6.5s for all those miles without incident, I’ll never know.
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