E60 M5 Rod Bearing Failure! - Advice Really Appreciated

[Wills2]

Lazyjames said:

I did ask them to check the logs and history before, they said they had done as far as possible.......not far enough obviously.

Made the decision that life is too short, i've spent enough time and money worrying and stressing about this car. I'm going to list it on ebay as is, include engineers report and link to this thread and original ad.

See if i can recoup 8 or 9k, take the 12k hit and move on with my life. Hopefully there will be someone out there who fancies a project rebuild or put in a recon engine.

I'll post the link to the ebay thread when i list it.

Time for a break from M Power - it was a fun but very expensive 5 weeks of driving.

I wouldn't be doing that..

5k for a secondhand engine + fitting at a specialist that knows what they are doing.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-5-SERIES-E60-M5-ENGI...

[darreni]

Slippydiff said:

I questioned this when I reinstated the warranty on my E63 M6 last year. No inspection needed, just pay your money, but can't make a claim for a month after the start date. Buuuuut you could run the car without a fault for twelve months whilst paying your £120 pm iirc ? Then have an issue, only to be told what the OP has experienced. I wonder will they give you back the 12 monthly installments you'd paid in good faith ? Will they f*ck. It's a con, and the reason I voted with my feet earlier this year and went for a '13 plate Audi hairdressers car, rather than risk being shafted by errant BMW dealers and Mondial.

Its not dissimilar to car insurance - they will take your information at face value & only when a claim is likely/in progress do they check the finer details.

[pidsy]

Wills2 said:

Lazyjames said:

I did ask them to check the logs and history before, they said they had done as far as possible.......not far enough obviously.

Made the decision that life is too short, i've spent enough time and money worrying and stressing about this car. I'm going to list it on ebay as is, include engineers report and link to this thread and original ad.

See if i can recoup 8 or 9k, take the 12k hit and move on with my life. Hopefully there will be someone out there who fancies a project rebuild or put in a recon engine.

I'll post the link to the ebay thread when i list it.

Time for a break from M Power - it was a fun but very expensive 5 weeks of driving.

I wouldn't be doing that..

5k for a secondhand engine + fitting at a specialist that knows what they are doing.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-5-SERIES-E60-M5-ENGI...

As will said - don't walk away from it OP. £12k is a massive hit to take - there is recourse but might take some time.

Don't bin it just yet.

[jamoor]

My question is, is the engine toast?

If you can refit the engine and replace the shells, you may just be able to continue as normal.

[daz05]

Slippydiff said:

I wonder will they give you back the 12 monthly installments you'd paid in good faith ? Will they f*ck. It's a con, and the reason I voted with my feet earlier this year and went for a '13 plate Audi hairdressers car, rather than risk being shafted by errant BMW dealers and Mondial.

I've used them across different vehicles for several years and they have always settled immediately, I noted they requested photocopies of the service book on some of the larger claims. The major difference being the car was eligible and they weren't claims approaching the value of the vehicle 5 weeks and after only 1 payment.

[JMBMWM5]

Lazyjames said:

I did ask them to check the logs and history before, they said they had done as far as possible.......not far enough obviously.

Made the decision that life is too short, i've spent enough time and money worrying and stressing about this car. I'm going to list it on ebay as is, include engineers report and link to this thread and original ad.

See if i can recoup 8 or 9k, take the 12k hit and move on with my life. Hopefully there will be someone out there who fancies a project rebuild or put in a recon engine.

I'll post the link to the ebay thread when i list it.

Time for a break from M Power - it was a fun but very expensive 5 weeks of driving.

Your giving up too early, fight it, get legal advice first.

[darreni]

Slippydiff said:

Slightly different ? Filling out an application form whether that be online, on a hard copy or over the phone is a relatively black and white process. Do you have any convictions, yes or no, if yes, when and what for etc

But unless you know the in's and out's of the car you're putting a warranty on, you'll be non the wiser as to it's suitability/eligibility until you make a claim (though in this case the servicing looks to be an issue). To that end I had no idea my old E63 M6 logged low oil level alerts and I suspect a whole load of other data that could be used to avoid paying out on, or indeed nullify a warranty.

I'd rather pay £150 for the dealer to establish the cars servicing schedule meets the warranty providers criteria, carry out the necessary interrogation of the car's ECU AND print off their findings/the data AND discuss its impact on your warranty, than blindly buying a warranty which is about as much use as a chocolate teapot (but worse still, you only establish tha when you need it most !)

You are correct.

If nothing else, the thread highlights the need to check the car & Its history out thoroughly, mondial wont be.

Mondial are offering an insurance policy for BMW cars, they are not BMW.

OP, you need to go back to the seller, you have paid top money for the car through a dealer treating it as a private sale. That should be your first port of call, not BMW.

[nw942]

Sorry to hear this.

I would try and get hold of the *complete* service history if you can. Mondial should be willing to give it to you if they feel they're on solid ground WRT declining your claim. Otherwise a dealer shuold be able to give you the full warranty list for a car.

I would then look for two things:

1. The service history may show some warranty work related to a replacement oil level sensor (or maybe an oil pump). If the sensor failed at some point in the car's history then you may have a basis to appeal the claim.

2. The dates of the low-oil warnings, and whether the car was sold as an AUC car after any of the warning flagged up. If BMW were happy to sell it after these warnings then this may well help your case.

Apart from that, then I would certainly see if you can replace the shells as othrs have said.

Good luck

[Khaki Suit]

If it has FBMWSH then how come a minor service was done instead of a major one?? Speak to BMW UK.....

[hornetrider]

Khaki Suit said:

If it has FBMWSH then how come a minor service was done instead of a major one?? Speak to BMW UK.....

As mentioned above, aren't these cars on CBS? There is no major or minor.

[cossy400]

Engines already in bits, so if its just the shells then get them replaced and away you go.


An independent surely is nt goin to charge BMW prices to do that and then your away.

Id not be takin a 12k hit myself if I could get away with it.

[daz05]

hornetrider said:

As mentioned above, aren't these cars on CBS? There is no major or minor.

Every 3rd oil service has more scope. Plugs etc.

[AW10]

Can't it be argued that even if a plug or gearbox/diff oil change was missed they have no bearing on the health of the engine?

But any low oil events that are logged might be rather damning.

[666 SVT]

I found this article from a guy in the States which shows the state his bearings were in which look far
worse than the pic the OP posted and he was able to fit a new set as the crank was OK? As already stated
there is no real need to remove the engine to do this but even as its now out it may be worth another 2.5K
to have it refitted with the new bearings? http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthread.php?43706-Ar...

[RossP]

What is a low oil level log? Does that just mean it flagged needing a top up?

[Lazyjames]

Hello again, had some sleep and a run, feeling much better now. I've spoken to Jason at the Paddock garage (thank you for the info). I'm dropping the engine in to them on Tuesday, they are going to have a look and establish the extent of the damage.

I've sent a message to Myra at BMW to ask about the details of the problem with the service history and find out at how many miles the oil warning(s) were and whether they were asking for a top up, or a full stop warning.

As previously pointed out, not time to throw it away just yet - amazing the difference a good nights sleep makes

Also, BMW UK have offered to refund all the money i've spent on the warranty - very decent of them comsidering there was no prompting from me.

I'll report back as soon as i hear about the warranty and the state of the engine.

Thanks again, would have given up a long time ago without the forum.

[Beedub]

Lazyjames said:

Hello again, had some sleep and a run, feeling much better now. I've spoken to Jason at the Paddock garage (thank you for the info). I'm dropping the engine in to them on Tuesday, they are going to have a look and establish the extent of the damage.

I've sent a message to Myra at BMW to ask about the details of the problem with the service history and find out at how many miles the oil warning(s) were and whether they were asking for a top up, or a full stop warning.

As previously pointed out, not time to throw it away just yet - amazing the difference a good nights sleep makes

Also, BMW UK have offered to refund all the money i've spent on the warranty - very decent of them comsidering there was no prompting from me.

I'll report back as soon as i hear about the warranty and the state of the engine.

Thanks again, would have given up a long time ago without the forum.

that fact they are even offering money back on the warranty is your cue to go ball deep on this one..... you have every reasonable expecation of getting this sorted.... the damage wasn't done in your ownership and you have warranty!! If they won't want to warranty a car they should ask for those reports and NOT offer a warranty on it in the first place.... not tell you when you have to bite the st sandwhich, i know its long winded but no court in this land would rule against you imo, sit tight, hold your nerve and fking go to war!!

[longintheleg]

Beedub said:

Lazyjames said:

Hello again, had some sleep and a run, feeling much better now. I've spoken to Jason at the Paddock garage (thank you for the info). I'm dropping the engine in to them on Tuesday, they are going to have a look and establish the extent of the damage.

I've sent a message to Myra at BMW to ask about the details of the problem with the service history and find out at how many miles the oil warning(s) were and whether they were asking for a top up, or a full stop warning.

As previously pointed out, not time to throw it away just yet - amazing the difference a good nights sleep makes

Also, BMW UK have offered to refund all the money i've spent on the warranty - very decent of them comsidering there was no prompting from me.

I'll report back as soon as i hear about the warranty and the state of the engine.

Thanks again, would have given up a long time ago without the forum.

that fact they are even offering money back on the warranty is your cue to go ball deep on this one..... you have every reasonable expecation of getting this sorted.... the damage wasn't done in your ownership and you have warranty!! If they won't want to warranty a car they should ask for those reports and NOT offer a warranty on it in the first place.... not tell you when you have to bite the st sandwhich, i know its long winded but no court in this land would rule against you imo, sit tight, hold your nerve and fking go to war!!

Exactly this. They're essentially admitting liability but hoping you'll go away with the good will gesture.

You need to keep fighting and ensure they reimburse you for all the associated costs and all the time and stress this has caused you.

It will be worth it in the end mate.

[AW10]

Lazyjames said:

Also, BMW UK have offered to refund all the money i've spent on the warranty - very decent of them comsidering there was no prompting from me.

If you take the refund I think you have effectively given up all right to a claim through BMW - are you sure you want to do that? If it was simply low oil warnings (ie. time to top-up) then there's nothing wrong with those - every car will have them as there's no other way to know when it's time to add oil seeing as there's no dipstick.

[daz05]

I'm not sure he does unfortunately, the vehicle doesn't have the correct and full sh. That's one of the things you are asked to confirm when you sign up.