Two dozen white E92 M3 with sub 20k miles on AUC site
Discussion
pedrotunes said:
I thought the Palmer Sport M3's were all LPG converted?
I've attended Palmer Sport events in both M3 and M4's with instructors confirming they were running LPG conversions.
These AUC cars were used on the Palmer 'M3 Master' driving experiences at Brands Hatch and Oulton Park, rather than the fully track prepped cars used on the full Palmersport driving days. Excerpt taken from the website:I've attended Palmer Sport events in both M3 and M4's with instructors confirming they were running LPG conversions.
"..includes two 15 minutes' driving sessions in the M3 plus a high speed passenger lap."
http://www.msvdrivinggifts.com/experience/m4-maste...
Captain Caveman said:
These AUC cars were used on the Palmer 'M3 Master' driving experiences at Brands Hatch and Oulton Park, rather than the fully track prepped cars used on the full Palmersport driving days. Excerpt taken from the website:
"..includes two 15 minutes' driving sessions in the M3 plus a high speed passenger lap."
http://www.msvdrivinggifts.com/experience/m4-maste...
Cool, thanks for confirming."..includes two 15 minutes' driving sessions in the M3 plus a high speed passenger lap."
http://www.msvdrivinggifts.com/experience/m4-maste...
outnumbered said:
I think the small print of the insured warranty (not the AUC warranty) makes it void if the car has ever been tracked... So in theory, you couldn't take out the extended warranty on one of these cars once the AUC warranty runs out.
This is actually a crucial point and in fact quite scandalous. When I enquired about the validity of the warranty on ex track cars, BMW confirmed that if any failure was a direct consequence of having been on track then the car wouldn't be covered. So that leaves buyers on very shaky ground...I simply don't understand how BMW can knowingly sell these cars on through the AUC network?? Surely they're breaking the law somehow?
I'm surprised the entire stock has been dumped on the market at the same time......
you would have thought they'd trickle them onto the market so it's less obvious
where they came from and try to secure a better selling price- surely any vendor is in a weaker position
when the market is flooded.
As other posts state- I think it's disgusting they are not transparent in the adverts regarding the cars origins....it's not like we are talking Arthur Daley backstreet garages here.....
you would have thought they'd trickle them onto the market so it's less obvious
where they came from and try to secure a better selling price- surely any vendor is in a weaker position
when the market is flooded.
As other posts state- I think it's disgusting they are not transparent in the adverts regarding the cars origins....it's not like we are talking Arthur Daley backstreet garages here.....
Yeah. It's certainly not a way to engender trust or credibility among your customers! If they're prepared to withhold the truth (until pressed) about the origin of these cars, what else do they 'forget' to tell you?? BMW have a responsibility to their customers to be honest and transparent. This is precisely the sort of thing you expect to avoid by buying an AUC car from a BMW main dealer. Very disappointing all round to be honest. 
Edited by Captain Caveman on Tuesday 10th November 21:26
Wills2 said:
one careful owner...
But unfortunately lots of careless drivers! Joking aside what's a main dealer doing a) selling these cars at all (sounds very dodgy if the warranty is indeed invalid due to track use) and b) doing so without being open and upfront about their history. Pretty poor TBH.....I have driven one of the Master cars as part of a experience for my 40th.
They were fitted with dual controls and uprated pads.
As a customer I was babied with 15mins in auto followed by a rest and then 15mins using the paddles, being encouraged to change up early and drive like miss daisy. I wouldn't worry about how the cars were treat by the customers.
The "Racing Driver Hot Lap", was something else. The car was driven by a t
t, like a tt with zero mechanical sympathy.
They were fitted with dual controls and uprated pads.
As a customer I was babied with 15mins in auto followed by a rest and then 15mins using the paddles, being encouraged to change up early and drive like miss daisy. I wouldn't worry about how the cars were treat by the customers.
The "Racing Driver Hot Lap", was something else. The car was driven by a t
t, like a tt with zero mechanical sympathy.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=148...
In terms of warranty they will come with a full no quibble warranty.If this was not the case then a simple call to Bmw to explain why the cars past was not disclosed before but is now been used to get out of a warranty claim.Some people just listen to some of the more unscrupulous dealers who would rather charge for things that should be free.
I know two people who bought CSL's from the Bedford experience with full warranty with less than 3k on the clock.The dealer did however say where the cars had come from and said the auction they were bought from was a Bmw only auction so they went to franchised dealers.
In this case it sounds like the buyers are not been told which is wrong..If they have been serviced regularly they should have no mechanical problems at all and normally the brakes,suspension clutches and bodywork are normally changed before auction which was the case with the CSL's back then.
In terms of warranty they will come with a full no quibble warranty.If this was not the case then a simple call to Bmw to explain why the cars past was not disclosed before but is now been used to get out of a warranty claim.Some people just listen to some of the more unscrupulous dealers who would rather charge for things that should be free.
I know two people who bought CSL's from the Bedford experience with full warranty with less than 3k on the clock.The dealer did however say where the cars had come from and said the auction they were bought from was a Bmw only auction so they went to franchised dealers.
In this case it sounds like the buyers are not been told which is wrong..If they have been serviced regularly they should have no mechanical problems at all and normally the brakes,suspension clutches and bodywork are normally changed before auction which was the case with the CSL's back then.
I am sure the cars will have no issues, NOW. The question is the degree of accelerated wear that the cars may have suffered, leading to potential issues 2 or 3 years down the line, once the cars are out of warranty. A simple check of the vehicle's computer will show how the car has been driven, and no doubt clearly suggest to the car having been driven on track (should BMW ever need to check)...
If track driving does indeed subject a car to ten times the component wear rate, then component failure may occur much, much sooner than expected for a car with such few miles. Is it worth the risk, when there's no cost benefit?
If track driving does indeed subject a car to ten times the component wear rate, then component failure may occur much, much sooner than expected for a car with such few miles. Is it worth the risk, when there's no cost benefit?
Captain Caveman said:
I am sure the cars will have no issues, NOW. The question is the degree of accelerated wear that the cars may have suffered, leading to potential issues 2 or 3 years down the line, once the cars are out of warranty. A simple check of the vehicle's computer will show how the car has been driven, and no doubt clearly suggest to the car having been driven on track (should BMW ever need to check)...
If track driving does indeed subject a car to ten times the component wear rate, then component failure may occur much, much sooner than expected for a car with such few miles. Is it worth the risk, when there's no cost benefit?
BMW can not plug in and tell you how an E92 M3 has been driven.The link above explains the warranty in detail and also the attitude of some dealers.If track driving does indeed subject a car to ten times the component wear rate, then component failure may occur much, much sooner than expected for a car with such few miles. Is it worth the risk, when there's no cost benefit?
I have done over 20k miles and a friend has done 50k miles on track and mostly around the Ring with no mechanical issues at all.I know someone who did over 100k in a CSL and a large percentage was on track but it was serviced regularly and once again had no major problems.A lower mileage with less use can give just as many problems.
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