Two dozen white E92 M3 with sub 20k miles on AUC site
Discussion
At the end of the day mate, it's a question of pros and cons and weighing up the risk. There is a greater risk of a car having accelerated wear, that has been driven round Brands Hatch continually for two years, than a privately owned car that has been driven on the road. Fact.
There is a good chance the car will be fine. Question is, is it worth taking the risk when there's no real upside?.
As they say, you takes yer chances...
There is a good chance the car will be fine. Question is, is it worth taking the risk when there's no real upside?.
As they say, you takes yer chances...
griff7 said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=148...
In terms of warranty they will come with a full no quibble warranty.If this was not the case then a simple call to Bmw to explain why the cars past was not disclosed before but is now been used to get out of a warranty claim.Some people just listen to some of the more unscrupulous dealers who would rather charge for things that should be free.
Ah, so not true to say the warranty is potentially invalid if the car's been used on a track day then (only invalid if the car has been involved in racing or some sort of competitive activity if I read correctly?). However, in some respects that's arguably a strange distinction to draw as presumably what BMW are looking to avoid are warranty claims arising from abnormal, non-road, use and pounding round a track for a lot of miles arguably places as much additional stress on the car as racing (or indeed doing something like a hill climb or a sprint, either of which would qualify as competitive because they're timed?). In terms of warranty they will come with a full no quibble warranty.If this was not the case then a simple call to Bmw to explain why the cars past was not disclosed before but is now been used to get out of a warranty claim.Some people just listen to some of the more unscrupulous dealers who would rather charge for things that should be free.
Anyway, seems the main point at issue with these cars is that the dealer isn't being open and honest about their background and I agree that's wrong; potential buyers should be able to make an informed decision and concealing a car's history doesn't allow them to do that. I can see that a well maintained car that's been used on track days might be absolutely fine but if that's the case - and that's what BMW and the dealer believe - why not be open about where these cars have come from?
JNW1 said:
I can see that a well maintained car that's been used on track days might be absolutely fine but if that's the case - and that's what BMW and the dealer believe - why not be open about where these cars have come from?
I think there are two reasons:1. There's no way you can retail cars at normal market price that have been used exclusively on track. You'd have to discount them severely.
2. Not many people would choose an ex track car, when there is such a large supply of 'normal' cars on the market, so they'd never sell them (unless heavily discounted).
ATM said:
So would we expect most low mileage white M3 cars for sale to be these now or are there any giveaways like spec or previous owner?
The way to spot these cars is as follows:- The e92 M3s are always Alpine white
- Y registered
- Owned by BMW UK from new
- Service history by BMW UK, not a main dealer
- Identical mid level spec including 19" wheels, DCT, EDC, carbon structure trim, folding mirrors, heated seats, F/R parking sensors, black novillo leather
I think BMW are playing a dangerous game by providing main dealers with these "experience day" cars to sell.
BMW UK are supplying these cars to BMW dealers in the full knowledge that not only will they be sold as main dealer authorised used cars but also that any buyers will be excluded from making claims on any future BMW Insured warranty taken out because of the cars track day history. An exclusion explicitly made in the BMW insured warranty handbook. In addition, it is fraudulent if BMW UK profits from BMW Insured warranty policies bought by customers of these cars if they do not qualify for the benefits of its cover (think PPi).
When a BMW main dealer sells one these cars without clearly informing the buyer of its track day history they can also be considered to be committing fraud under the Customer Protection Regulations 2008.
Finally as the on track usage of experience day cars excludes them from BMW Insured extended warranty coverage then the cars could reasonably be considered not to be of merchantable quality under the sale of goods act (1979).
You would think with all the bad publicity surrounding VW that BMW would take some care to avoid being caught up in a mini scandal of their own.
BMW UK are supplying these cars to BMW dealers in the full knowledge that not only will they be sold as main dealer authorised used cars but also that any buyers will be excluded from making claims on any future BMW Insured warranty taken out because of the cars track day history. An exclusion explicitly made in the BMW insured warranty handbook. In addition, it is fraudulent if BMW UK profits from BMW Insured warranty policies bought by customers of these cars if they do not qualify for the benefits of its cover (think PPi).
When a BMW main dealer sells one these cars without clearly informing the buyer of its track day history they can also be considered to be committing fraud under the Customer Protection Regulations 2008.
Finally as the on track usage of experience day cars excludes them from BMW Insured extended warranty coverage then the cars could reasonably be considered not to be of merchantable quality under the sale of goods act (1979).
You would think with all the bad publicity surrounding VW that BMW would take some care to avoid being caught up in a mini scandal of their own.
Edited by Count James on Wednesday 18th November 23:12
Edited by Count James on Wednesday 18th November 23:13
Count James said:
I think BMW are playing a dangerous game by providing main dealers with these "experience day" cars to sell.
BMW UK are supplying these cars to BMW dealers in the full knowledge that not only will they be sold as main dealer authorised used cars but also that any buyers will be excluded from making claims on any future BMW Insured warranty taken out because of the cars track day history. An exclusion explicitly made in the BMW insured warranty handbook. In addition, it is fraudulent if BMW UK profits from BMW Insured warranty policies bought by customers of these cars if they do not qualify for the benefits of its cover (think PPi).
When a BMW main dealer sells one these cars without clearly informing the buyer of its track day history they can also be considered to be committing fraud under the Customer Protection Regulations 2008.
Finally as the on track usage of experience day cars excludes them from BMW Insured extended warranty coverage then the cars could reasonably be considered not to be of merchantable quality under the sale of goods act (1979).
You would think with all the bad publicity surrounding VW that BMW would take some care to avoid being caught up in a mini scandal of their own.
The only thing wrong with what they have done is by not letting potential buyers know the history of the cars.As far as warranty is concerned then read the posts above and the link i provided.BMW UK are supplying these cars to BMW dealers in the full knowledge that not only will they be sold as main dealer authorised used cars but also that any buyers will be excluded from making claims on any future BMW Insured warranty taken out because of the cars track day history. An exclusion explicitly made in the BMW insured warranty handbook. In addition, it is fraudulent if BMW UK profits from BMW Insured warranty policies bought by customers of these cars if they do not qualify for the benefits of its cover (think PPi).
When a BMW main dealer sells one these cars without clearly informing the buyer of its track day history they can also be considered to be committing fraud under the Customer Protection Regulations 2008.
Finally as the on track usage of experience day cars excludes them from BMW Insured extended warranty coverage then the cars could reasonably be considered not to be of merchantable quality under the sale of goods act (1979).
You would think with all the bad publicity surrounding VW that BMW would take some care to avoid being caught up in a mini scandal of their own.
Edited by Count James on Wednesday 18th November 23:12
Edited by Count James on Wednesday 18th November 23:13
When BMW sold a load of CSL's years ago with a similar history to these cars not buying one was a big mistake on my part,but it's just a personal decision as to what you are happy with.
I just counted, 15 of them all Feb 2013 registered and all at Sytner dealerships. There was one at my local branch, of Synter's, if I'd twigged I would have been tempted to arrange a test drive and then take it down the racing circuit near where I live. The salesman could hardly complain could he 
pidsy said:
has this been mentioned on any other forums?
seriously dodgy behavior from BMW UK.
It's being discussed on the M3 Cutters forum http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=138...seriously dodgy behavior from BMW UK.
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