e60 m5 am I mad.
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Price? Spec? Note that these were well equipped to start off with so a lot of stuff is standard: Extended (not full) leather, HUD, PDC, xenons, front seat heating etc. Asides from the full leather, there's actually very few options you'd actually want.
History and maintenance are everything. At that mileage I'd probably be budgeting for new set of rod bearings plus check for the usual things such as clutch, throttle actuators, brake discs/pads, etc. as it can easily add up to thousands of pounds!
History and maintenance are everything. At that mileage I'd probably be budgeting for new set of rod bearings plus check for the usual things such as clutch, throttle actuators, brake discs/pads, etc. as it can easily add up to thousands of pounds!
If it's the black one on Autotrader with 102k and white leather at £12,500 then the only optional extra in the description is sun protection glass. If that is the correct car and description then it's very low spec as far as options go. If your not bothered about certain options that were available then don't worry about it. Lots of sellers put fully loaded with extras etc when it's not at all.
Shaoxter said:
Price? Spec? Note that these were well equipped to start off with so a lot of stuff is standard: Extended (not full) leather, HUD, PDC, xenons, front seat heating etc. Asides from the full leather, there's actually very few options you'd actually want.
History and maintenance are everything. At that mileage I'd probably be budgeting for new set of rod bearings plus check for the usual things such as clutch, throttle actuators, brake discs/pads, etc. as it can easily add up to thousands of pounds!
You are forgetting the funky seats.History and maintenance are everything. At that mileage I'd probably be budgeting for new set of rod bearings plus check for the usual things such as clutch, throttle actuators, brake discs/pads, etc. as it can easily add up to thousands of pounds!
hoppo4.2 said:
It's in that region. How big a deal is this rod bearing issue.
These shouldn't be failing on a modern engine unless it's very heavy abused.
It's a 5.0 V10 that is very heavily stressed because it makes all its power over 4000rpm so you have to rev the nuts off it to make progress, that in turn caused more frictionThese shouldn't be failing on a modern engine unless it's very heavy abused.
I'm sure it's alot more complicated than that but that's my way of explaining things.
On my M6; all the following were done by me or under warranty under my ownership
VANOS pipe and valve
Thermostat
Parking sensor
Radiator fan
Power steering pump
Clutch
Flywheel
Throttle actuator
SMG pump
Most people have had MOST of the above done on the S85s.
The only thing that wasn't done on mine was the rod bearings issue, but I don't know if it is an 'inevitable' item that needs doing but I do know it has been discussed frequently.
Preventative maintenance is around £1-1.5k IIRC.
To be honest you hear very little of them over here compared to the mainly US audience on M5board for example. Maybe the fact that we use 10W60 and the US guys use 5W40 has something to do with the failure rates...?
Having said that, here's a story of an unlucky guy who's suffered the rod bearing failure.
To be honest you hear very little of them over here compared to the mainly US audience on M5board for example. Maybe the fact that we use 10W60 and the US guys use 5W40 has something to do with the failure rates...?
Having said that, here's a story of an unlucky guy who's suffered the rod bearing failure.
IMO, owner care of the car plays a significant role in bearing wear. High revving while cold, excessive oil change intervals (meaning the absurd 15k BMW interval), and general care of the drivetrain can play a factor into what is already a lottery of tolerances. If you end up with a crankshaft whose journals are on the large size of the manufacturing tolerance band and connecting rods on the low side of the tolerance band, you have "won" the tolerance stack-up lottery. Any deviation from strict warm-up and oil care will promote premature failure.
Given that you can never know exactly how the previous owner(s) handled all the above, it's peace of mind for many to change them preventively to reset the clock so to speak.
No one is stating that every S85 will fail due to a rod bearing spinning, but out of nearly 185 S85s rebuilt by the largest supplier, over 170 of the core engines were received with spun bearings. It's fairly safe to say then that the leading cause of catastrophic engine failure is spun rod bearings.
It really isn't that gruesome of a job to change them, but it is time consuming. It's also difficult to find a reputable indy who has experience in the S85 when they are as rare as they are. Although I'm in the states, I see people drive or ship their cars several hundred miles, even up to 1000 to have them done properly. If I lived in the UK (maybe someday), I would send my car to Evolve in Luton to one of the most experienced S85 mechanics in the world.
Given that you can never know exactly how the previous owner(s) handled all the above, it's peace of mind for many to change them preventively to reset the clock so to speak.
No one is stating that every S85 will fail due to a rod bearing spinning, but out of nearly 185 S85s rebuilt by the largest supplier, over 170 of the core engines were received with spun bearings. It's fairly safe to say then that the leading cause of catastrophic engine failure is spun rod bearings.
It really isn't that gruesome of a job to change them, but it is time consuming. It's also difficult to find a reputable indy who has experience in the S85 when they are as rare as they are. Although I'm in the states, I see people drive or ship their cars several hundred miles, even up to 1000 to have them done properly. If I lived in the UK (maybe someday), I would send my car to Evolve in Luton to one of the most experienced S85 mechanics in the world.
Shaoxter said:
Preventative maintenance is around £1-1.5k IIRC.
To be honest you hear very little of them over here compared to the mainly US audience on M5board for example. Maybe the fact that we use 10W60 and the US guys use 5W40 has something to do with the failure rates...?
Having said that, here's a story of an unlucky guy who's suffered the rod bearing failure.
Of the large number of S85 failures I mentioned above, I don't think any of them stayed far from the BMW spec oil, the Castrol TWS 10W-60. I wish we could nail down an oil as the cause, that's far easier than correcting bearings clearances.To be honest you hear very little of them over here compared to the mainly US audience on M5board for example. Maybe the fact that we use 10W60 and the US guys use 5W40 has something to do with the failure rates...?
Having said that, here's a story of an unlucky guy who's suffered the rod bearing failure.
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