new m6 owner advice please

new m6 owner advice please

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ian-163jt

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239 posts

107 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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hi , new to this as been on other forums but never a M one due to my other car fads .......
You know whet its like , looking on net browsing bored , next minute you click a button & hey presto ..... bought an 08 m6....
few questions as never been in one to be honest so when i collect next week would like an idea of settings to drive home ..
It looks nice in pics it the Indianapolis red , guy seemed really nice...

1/ first question is . i know people are bit biased to colour but is the red ok for re-sale ? most i looked at were black or silvery blue, it has black inside , have i made good choice as told wife and she said might like nicer when we see it , but i liked picture?

2/ i have been told that have a silly gearbox/ complicated setting button , can you set these so the ride is soft (as not someone that hammers round corners ) but gearbox settings slick as bit worried that being auto its sluggish, its got SNG gearbox.

3/ I looked on net & every car i get i always put a sports exhaust on, this being a v10 i will get something for sure , however i spent more on car than i wanted so limited budget now (hope nothing goes wrong, i do have slush fund for repair/ maintenance !!) but reading posts some people spend £4k on it !!! I don't think it will need more power as 500 bhp should be plenty , but do i buy a purpose made one from say "borla" and get fitted , or go to an exhaust specialist & get custom one made , ?? what are good exhaust i have £1500 budget , i don't mind 2nd hand if they come up for sale ? there is a borla one on e bay 2nd hand for about £360 (it has a bit missing but i could use one of my existing bits i suppose & weld ) which would be ok but i don't know what my part number is ?
I live in Portsmouth area so any good exhaust place that will help would be good , i had haywood & scott do my porker but long way , long life in Southampton didn't bother getting back ! Or i could buy one of shelf but not a lot of budget, so whats best exhaust i could buy for unde £2k or anyone had one made / cost & spec so i can do it ????
many thanks & get car next week so will post pics as long i can manage to drive it home ...........

cosworth330

1,300 posts

237 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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The V10 M6/M5 is a car that you need to do your home work on before buying as they can be costly if you buy an unloved one or one that is coming up for some expensive maintenance. Saying that I have owned an 06 M5 V10 for 2 years without any trouble until last month when both throttle actuators failed but it was covered under the warranty I pay for.

Auto mode is not very good, if you have to use it then use it in setting 2. Don't forget this is a manual transmission with a clutch and flywheel that Is automated so will not drive like an auto. I only use D mode (auto) in really heavy stop start traffic.
Most of the time I run the car in S5 with the power button on and MDM off for normal driving,if I want a bit of fun when I'm On my own in the car I use MDM also.

I would say Indianapolis red is the least desirable colour and can be a little cheaper to buy. Saying that as it wasn't a popular colour when new their aren't many around. 08 plate M6 is quite rare as these are facelifted models.

Cheap exhaust mod is to cut open the rear exhaust boxes and wrap the perforated pipes, weld boxes back up. If you can't find a local place to do it their is a guy on M3 cutters forum called "Paul the welder" who offers a mobile service, it's about £200-£250 plus petrol costs. Speak to Paul and he will explain different options for loudness.

How many miles has the M6 covered?

Simon.

cosworth330

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237 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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Re the ride comfort the car is fitted with EDC,comfort,sport,advanced. I keep mine in comfort most of the time and have it programmed so that when MDM is on it goes into sport setting and active seats on. They have so many settings and options you need to read the manual really.

jayemm89

4,024 posts

130 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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Ian

I'm just going to save someone else the time of saying it and ask, why the hell did you buy a car sight unseen? I assume it must have been an insanely good deal, because these are not cheap cars and they are not perfect - and problems with them can take a lot to put right. I'm also a little bit worried as you don't seem to know a lot about these cars (although maybe I've just misread it).

The SMG box is NOT an auto box. It's a manual gearbox with a robotised clutch. You can drive it with the car shifting for you, but generally they are bad. I don't have any direct experience of the SMG3 box, but I've driven cars with the SMG2 box and they take a lot of getting used to. They're generally much better at being driven hard than being driven gentle.

To answer your questions though, as best I can:

1. With regards the colour, don't worry about it. I hear a lot of talk about colour, but it's just dealer's taking the mickey usually. You try and buy a Red Ferrari, they'll ask more money because "everyone wants red sir". You try and sell them a red Ferrari, "Ah well they're not worth as much because they're very common sir". I've had a couple of cars with wacky exteriors or interiors, I am sure yours is fine. Unless the car is hot pink, I don't find the price is affected but you might find it just takes a little longer to sell.

2. I believe these cars do have some electronic dampers, possibly not as adjustable as newer BMWs, but you can definitely set the gearbox ferocity independently.

3. I am not familiar with the M6's exhaust layout, however a popular trick with the BMW 645/650 is to replace the central resonator with an x-pipe. Frees up a nice bit of noise, but not too much. Again, you might like the car as standard, you might not. You would have known if you had driven it.

As you say yourself, you're not someone who hammers round corners, did you not consider a regular 645/650? They look very similar, have thumping V8s in and they still go well. The 650 is only something like 30 lb-ft of torque down on the M6. IF you aren't chasing the redline (and that's not always easy to do in the M6!) you might find it has more accessible performance, more often. It will be a more comfortable ride, only drawback is they have traditional auto boxes but they are far from sluggish and you can manually override them.

Anyway, good luck OP and don't forget the pictures

W8PMC

3,345 posts

238 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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jayemm89 said:
Ian

I'm just going to save someone else the time of saying it and ask, why the hell did you buy a car sight unseen? I assume it must have been an insanely good deal, because these are not cheap cars and they are not perfect - and problems with them can take a lot to put right. I'm also a little bit worried as you don't seem to know a lot about these cars (although maybe I've just misread it).

The SMG box is NOT an auto box. It's a manual gearbox with a robotised clutch. You can drive it with the car shifting for you, but generally they are bad. I don't have any direct experience of the SMG3 box, but I've driven cars with the SMG2 box and they take a lot of getting used to. They're generally much better at being driven hard than being driven gentle.

To answer your questions though, as best I can:

1. With regards the colour, don't worry about it. I hear a lot of talk about colour, but it's just dealer's taking the mickey usually. You try and buy a Red Ferrari, they'll ask more money because "everyone wants red sir". You try and sell them a red Ferrari, "Ah well they're not worth as much because they're very common sir". I've had a couple of cars with wacky exteriors or interiors, I am sure yours is fine. Unless the car is hot pink, I don't find the price is affected but you might find it just takes a little longer to sell.

2. I believe these cars do have some electronic dampers, possibly not as adjustable as newer BMWs, but you can definitely set the gearbox ferocity independently.

3. I am not familiar with the M6's exhaust layout, however a popular trick with the BMW 645/650 is to replace the central resonator with an x-pipe. Frees up a nice bit of noise, but not too much. Again, you might like the car as standard, you might not. You would have known if you had driven it.

As you say yourself, you're not someone who hammers round corners, did you not consider a regular 645/650? They look very similar, have thumping V8s in and they still go well. The 650 is only something like 30 lb-ft of torque down on the M6. IF you aren't chasing the redline (and that's not always easy to do in the M6!) you might find it has more accessible performance, more often. It will be a more comfortable ride, only drawback is they have traditional auto boxes but they are far from sluggish and you can manually override them.

Anyway, good luck OP and don't forget the pictures
I'm hoping as you say it was a silly good deal & i can kind of see the excitement of buying unseen assuming some homework's been done.

I had an E60 M5 so although not the exact same car, it had the same transmission & being honest forget any thoughts of it being an Auto. The car can only feasibly be driven in paddle mode as the Auto is woeful & not pleasant under any conditions (this was the biggest let down for me), the other factor is with the torque only coming into play high up the rev range, you had to drive the car like you stole it to really enjoy it & sometimes i just wanted to drive to work or pop to the shops & the car again wasn't good at that. The engine is epic on song & once rolling a formidable motor, but that for me was its only redeeming factor so i got bored of mine quite quickly.

That takes nothing away from how accomplished a car it is though.


Shaoxter

4,067 posts

124 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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For your sake OP I hope either:
- You bought an AUC car and negotiated a 2 year warranty
- The mileage of the car is below 60k so you can stick a cheap(ish) BMW/Mondial warranty on it
- The car has all the common issues fixed

Because otherwise you could be in for some unexpected large bills!

Not a fan of Indianapolis Red personally, ranks below even Sepang Bronze for me, but don't take anyone else's word for it, if you like the colour then that's all that matters.

Regarding the settings, I normally drive around in S5, Power button on (makes no difference to fuel economy) and EDC in comfort.
The M button settings I have are: S6, DSC off, P500S, EDC unchanged (i.e. comfort), but until you get used to the car I would recommend S5, MDM, P500.

ian-163jt

Original Poster:

239 posts

107 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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cosworth330 said:
The V10 M6/M5 is a car that you need to do your home work on before buying as they can be costly if you buy an unloved one or one that is coming up for some expensive maintenance. Saying that I have owned an 06 M5 V10 for 2 years without any trouble until last month when both throttle actuators failed but it was covered under the warranty I pay for.

Auto mode is not very good, if you have to use it then use it in setting 2. Don't forget this is a manual transmission with a clutch and flywheel that Is automated so will not drive like an auto. I only use D mode (auto) in really heavy stop start traffic.
Most of the time I run the car in S5 with the power button on and MDM off for normal driving,if I want a bit of fun when I'm On my own in the car I use MDM also.

I would say Indianapolis red is the least desirable colour and can be a little cheaper to buy. Saying that as it wasn't a popular colour when new their aren't many around. 08 plate M6 is quite rare as these are facelifted models.

Cheap exhaust mod is to cut open the rear exhaust boxes and wrap the perforated pipes, weld boxes back up. If you can't find a local place to do it their is a guy on M3 cutters forum called "Paul the welder" who offers a mobile service, it's about £200-£250 plus petrol costs. Speak to Paul and he will explain different options for loudness.

How many miles has the M6 covered?

Simon.
Simon many thanks for info , ah well bit late to change my color choice , i get it tuesday ...
Bloody hell settings bit complicated , is it easier when in car ? i have not been in an m6 yet so not sure where buttons /settings are ?
Thats funny about paul exhaust guy , he was going to do my gundo hack when i was going to get 997 , but see m6 and changed mind at last minute !
There is a boysen exhaust on e bay but a bit is missing & dont know if it fits ?
may speak too paul first
What is face lift model ? i thought 06 or 08 the same ?
car has done 60 k full bmwsh guy sounds good so trusted him ..
thanks again

ian-163jt

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239 posts

107 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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cosworth330 said:
Re the ride comfort the car is fitted with EDC,comfort,sport,advanced. I keep mine in comfort most of the time and have it programmed so that when MDM is on it goes into sport setting and active seats on. They have so many settings and options you need to read the manual really.
So if you programme it dont re set to a defult mode every time you get in it, what is EDC & what are active seats ?
cheers Ian

ian-163jt

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239 posts

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Friday 22nd January 2016
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jayemm89 said:
Ian

I'm just going to save someone else the time of saying it and ask, why the hell did you buy a car sight unseen? I assume it must have been an insanely good deal, because these are not cheap cars and they are not perfect - and problems with them can take a lot to put right. I'm also a little bit worried as you don't seem to know a lot about these cars (although maybe I've just misread it).

The SMG box is NOT an auto box. It's a manual gearbox with a robotised clutch. You can drive it with the car shifting for you, but generally they are bad. I don't have any direct experience of the SMG3 box, but I've driven cars with the SMG2 box and they take a lot of getting used to. They're generally much better at being driven hard than being driven gentle.

To answer your questions though, as best I can:

1. With regards the colour, don't worry about it. I hear a lot of talk about colour, but it's just dealer's taking the mickey usually. You try and buy a Red Ferrari, they'll ask more money because "everyone wants red sir". You try and sell them a red Ferrari, "Ah well they're not worth as much because they're very common sir". I've had a couple of cars with wacky exteriors or interiors, I am sure yours is fine. Unless the car is hot pink, I don't find the price is affected but you might find it just takes a little longer to sell.

2. I believe these cars do have some electronic dampers, possibly not as adjustable as newer BMWs, but you can definitely set the gearbox ferocity independently.

3. I am not familiar with the M6's exhaust layout, however a popular trick with the BMW 645/650 is to replace the central resonator with an x-pipe. Frees up a nice bit of noise, but not too much. Again, you might like the car as standard, you might not. You would have known if you had driven it.

As you say yourself, you're not someone who hammers round corners, did you not consider a regular 645/650? They look very similar, have thumping V8s in and they still go well. The 650 is only something like 30 lb-ft of torque down on the M6. IF you aren't chasing the redline (and that's not always easy to do in the M6!) you might find it has more accessible performance, more often. It will be a more comfortable ride, only drawback is they have traditional auto boxes but they are far from sluggish and you can manually override them.

Anyway, good luck OP and don't forget the pictures
yes i know what you mean and i am a bit impulsive ! I was really after a 997 c4s ..... With regards great deal i think it was ok , but firm believer in you get what you pay for & wasnt cheap.... 2008 ,red , loads of extras i checked like extended leather, hud, soft close doors and loads more , dont really know whats missing as people list what it has rather than what is missing (which is a shame, be nice if people said fully loaded but no hud for instance !) 60 k miles fmbsh , 3 owners , black inside (what are must have extras & i will check ?), when the guy put in bmw for health check , came out perfect they offered to buy for £17k and i paid £17.5 k as the guy would rather a person get car than the steal-er....
I know bmw so always loved m cars whatever model, also have kids so need a 2+ 2 , also i like manual gears , wife likes auto to drive me home from pub, so good compromise.... really its perfect....only hope its good on fuel as i do 70k miles a year through work ha ha not really ..
cant wait to try it , have been told that gearbox bit over complicated but i will try it and see..
put pics on when i get car tuesday ....

jayemm89

4,024 posts

130 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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Well enjoy it - it's about as far away from a 996 C4s as I can imagine an ///M car will ever be, X5 "M" notwithstanding.

There weren't many options to be had on the M I believe, the standard 6 is already incredibly well appointed. I think extended leather is the main one. If you get on well with it let me know come resale time, sounds like my sort of car!

MarcelM6

539 posts

106 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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Won't repeat what everyone else has said about warranties - just make sure you have one.

With regard to the gearbox - I run my M6 in grandad mode most of the time. I spend about 95% of my time on motorways so 400hp is plenty and the box shifts fine. Comparing it to virtually seamless 2015 autos is silly, as the SMG box is a 15 year old design. Around town it's also OK, but you need to drive it like a clutchless manual rather than a 'put my foot down and forget about it' automatic. ie lift between shifts

And when I need the power the M button is always available - 'push to pass'

ian-163jt

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239 posts

107 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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Shaoxter said:
For your sake OP I hope either:
- You bought an AUC car and negotiated a 2 year warranty
- The mileage of the car is below 60k so you can stick a cheap(ish) BMW/Mondial warranty on it
- The car has all the common issues fixed

Because otherwise you could be in for some unexpected large bills!

Not a fan of Indianapolis Red personally, ranks below even Sepang Bronze for me, but don't take anyone else's word for it, if you like the colour then that's all that matters.

Regarding the settings, I normally drive around in S5, Power button on (makes no difference to fuel economy) and EDC in comfort.
The M button settings I have are: S6, DSC off, P500S, EDC unchanged (i.e. comfort), but until you get used to the car I would recommend S5, MDM, P500.
Regards questions .. what is AUC so prob no ....not sure exact mileage i think 66k ish (does the little bit over matter ?) bmw done a full health check & came back faultless, they were going to buy it ...
I know it seems a bit silly but i am firm believer in people trust , guy seemed good & i will take my chance ..
i will see if i can find how to do settings , perhaps he can set up for me ....
regarding colour what is most popular ? seems a lot of black ones about , silver black & white bores me...
the silvery blue looks nice ..

ian-163jt

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239 posts

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W8PMC said:
I'm hoping as you say it was a silly good deal & i can kind of see the excitement of buying unseen assuming some homework's been done.

I had an E60 M5 so although not the exact same car, it had the same transmission & being honest forget any thoughts of it being an Auto. The car can only feasibly be driven in paddle mode as the Auto is woeful & not pleasant under any conditions (this was the biggest let down for me), the other factor is with the torque only coming into play high up the rev range, you had to drive the car like you stole it to really enjoy it & sometimes i just wanted to drive to work or pop to the shops & the car again wasn't good at that. The engine is epic on song & once rolling a formidable motor, but that for me was its only redeeming factor so i got bored of mine quite quickly.

That takes nothing away from how accomplished a car it is though.
yes did hear that gearbox not very good , i had dsg in wifes golf & liked it....
as long as wife can leave in auto & it goes along that's ok as she has her own car ,so wont be that often....

ian-163jt

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239 posts

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Friday 22nd January 2016
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jayemm89 said:
Well enjoy it - it's about as far away from a 996 C4s as I can imagine an ///M car will ever be, X5 "M" notwithstanding.

There weren't many options to be had on the M I believe, the standard 6 is already incredibly well appointed. I think extended leather is the main one. If you get on well with it let me know come resale time, sounds like my sort of car!
no i had a 996 , i wanted a 997 c4s but at last minute get scared when heard all horror stories about bore score and new engine for no reason ........
still a 2+ 2 so at least got right amount of seats ha ha , to be honest donyt need 911 hardness , done that ... this should be bit softer but nice comfort & power ... It has got extended leather so got that bit right ha ha .

ian-163jt

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239 posts

107 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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MarcelM6 said:
Won't repeat what everyone else has said about warranties - just make sure you have one.

With regard to the gearbox - I run my M6 in grandad mode most of the time. I spend about 95% of my time on motorways so 400hp is plenty and the box shifts fine. Comparing it to virtually seamless 2015 autos is silly, as the SMG box is a 15 year old design. Around town it's also OK, but you need to drive it like a clutchless manual rather than a 'put my foot down and forget about it' automatic. ie lift between shifts

And when I need the power the M button is always available - 'push to pass'
no warranty , one of the guys said it could be good idea but car has 63k on clock so can i get it ? It has full bmw history ?
so is gearbox ok in 400 bhp mode but when you turn power up gets jerky ?

Shaoxter

4,067 posts

124 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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BMW were offering £17k for that car in p/x??? I find that a bit hard to believe...

FYI, extended leather is standard, full leather was a £5k+ option and has leather all over the dash, door cards and bottom of centre console. These cars were very highly specced as standard so things like HUD, PDC, EDC, heated front seats etc. are all standard. Soft close doors is a really nice and rare option!

Good luck OP, gut instinct is all well and good but no matter how well the seller has looked after the car he won't be able to predict when the throttle actuators or SMG pump will fail or how much life is left in the clutch. Hopefully you've bought a car that's had a lot of those kind of issues fixed...

Regarding colour for the M6 I'd rank them in this order (this is just my opinion!)
- Silverstone Blue (the silvery blue you're referring to)
- Interlagos Blue
- Sepang Bronze
- Indianapolis Red
- All the remaining boring colours

AW10

4,432 posts

249 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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In the winter and until you get used to the car don't run it in MDM - you can get the tail out very easily in the salt slime currently on the local roads (am also in SE Hants). The last thing you want is to spoil the start of your V10 experience by clipping a kerb. Actually today's rain may have washed the salt off but start in S5, 400 bhp and non-MDM mode until you get comfortable with the power and feedback. They're big and heavy cars and the feedback is good but not great so once the pendulum starts to swing it will move a bit before you or MDM catches it.

jayemm89

4,024 posts

130 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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OP - if you got put off a 997 by internet horror stories I don't know how you settled for an M6!!!

Seriously though, the car obviously isn't coming from BMW and I think the seller was winding you up with BMW's offer, it sounds silly high.

I would go through any non-AUC (APPROVED USED CAR - the BMW scheme) warranty with a fine toothed comb. You might find it has a stupid limit like £500 a claim, or doesn't cover important components going pop.

ian-163jt

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Friday 22nd January 2016
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[quote=Shaoxter]BMW were offering £17k for that car in p/x??? I find that a bit hard to believe...

FYI, extended leather is standard, full leather was a £5k+ option and has leather all over the dash, door cards and bottom of centre console. These cars were very highly specced as standard so things like HUD, PDC, EDC, heated front seats etc. are all standard. Soft close doors is a really nice and rare option!

Good luck OP, gut instinct is all well and good but no matter how well the seller has looked after the car he won't be able to predict when the throttle actuators or SMG pump will fail or how much life is left in the clutch. Hopefully you've bought a car that's had a lot of those kind of issues fixed...

Regarding colour for the M6 I'd rank them in this order (this is just my opinion!)
- Silverstone Blue (the silvery blue you're referring to)
- Interlagos Blue
- Sepang Bronze
- Indianapolis Red
- All the remaining boring colours[/quo
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ian-163jt

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239 posts

107 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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Shaoxter said:
BMW were offering £17k for that car in p/x??? I find that a bit hard to believe...

FYI, extended leather is standard, full leather was a £5k+ option and has leather all over the dash, door cards and bottom of centre console. These cars were very highly specced as standard so things like HUD, PDC, EDC, heated front seats etc. are all standard. Soft close doors is a really nice and rare option!

Good luck OP, gut instinct is all well and good but no matter how well the seller has looked after the car he won't be able to predict when the throttle actuators or SMG pump will fail or how much life is left in the clutch. Hopefully you've bought a car that's had a lot of those kind of issues fixed...

Regarding colour for the M6 I'd rank them in this order (this is just my opinion!)
- Silverstone Blue (the silvery blue you're referring to)
- Interlagos Blue
- Sepang Bronze
- Indianapolis Red
- All the remaining boring colours
no he got work done , the bmw mechanic told garage down road that buys some cars they dont want but are still a good deal , do you think that was expensive ?
if bmw didnt pick these sort of things up how do you know if they are going to fail ? can they be checked ? Not being funny but its alright for everyone get an approved bmw approved car , I have not got money to pay for there inflated prices when half the time they wiggle out anyway , guess you are either a gambler or not ... I am....
will see how i get on ....
regards colour nice to have opinion.... I agree except red at the top .....
will try to look at picture to see what options it has ,are soft close good then ? he sent me code guide what was on car but bit confusing ,what is code for more leather? i think the roof has a black section on from picture but not sure . i will put picture of add and see what you think ..