991 C2s vs F10 M5
Discussion
mjw0321 said:
Following on from a separate thread where I have mentioned traction (or lack of) in the M5 in all but ideal conditions. I have the M5 for another year, but when I do replace it, one of the cars I am considering is a 991 C2S. I was wondering if anyone has owned both and could summarise how they compare generally, and regarding traction. One of the things I have read about 911s is their ability to fire out of corners because of the weight over rear wheels. I don't think I can stretch to a C4S.
mjw0321 - you are going from one of the worlds most powerful 4-door saloon cars with rear wheel drive to a car with the worlds best traction on the rear axle.911's are massively different when it comes to rear-end grip and coming from M3 to 911's like I did some 16 years ago the difference for getting the power down and squirting out of bends was huge when compared to a M-Car.
I used to find the tail-happy traits of my M-Cars adorable and exciting, then I got a 911 and started to think what was all that sawing of the steering wheel all about...
I do not intend to say one is better than the other, no point in that as each person prefers something different in how a car drives, but if you want the best rear end grip in Town - the 911 is the answer.
All in my humble opinion. Enjoy.
My mate who comes touring with use in Europe has a 997.1 C2s and whilst I personally don't like it I have to say it sticks like s
t to a blanket round corners and can be fired out of them sooooo hard. My only concern would be that the grip levels are so high that when it does let go it won't be a happy ending. Numerous visits to the Ring play to this as well with a number of totalled 911s being seen.
If I try then my M6 can stay with him but only on fast sweeping corners in the dry. Come the straight though he is history.
t to a blanket round corners and can be fired out of them sooooo hard. My only concern would be that the grip levels are so high that when it does let go it won't be a happy ending. Numerous visits to the Ring play to this as well with a number of totalled 911s being seen.If I try then my M6 can stay with him but only on fast sweeping corners in the dry. Come the straight though he is history.
HoHoHo said:
mjw0321 said:
Thanks for the opinion. I assume, from what you have said, you can't put a colour wrap on the car either, which is a bit of a disappointment and limits the colour choice when you buy, because you have to live with the original colour. I had heard they were strict, but that is ridiculous.
Certainly my experience is that you can't even fit a non-opc battery without affecting the warranty!A wrap on a car with the extended warranty is a no no
Doesn't matter if the radio fails, the wrap voids the warranty.Stupid and short sighted.
Er no thanks! In fact I'm actually considering moving to an M5 myself to ferry the kids about!
HoHoHo said:
I've owned two 911's, a 996 and a 997 but have driven a 991 quite extensively over the last few years.
The 911 will always have a special place with most drivers however I really, really don't like the Porsche dealer network and to the point I refuse to buy another car from them currently. The cars are without doubt overpriced, there's little or no discount and once the car is out of the factory warranty you literally can't touch anything on the car if you wish to keep the extended warranty in place (not even clear film on the paint for example, that voids the entire warranty).
Not my experience. I just renewed the warranty for 2 years on a 2011 997 RS and its fully covered in protection film. Have you tried to apply a Porsche extended warranty to a car with film on it? The 911 will always have a special place with most drivers however I really, really don't like the Porsche dealer network and to the point I refuse to buy another car from them currently. The cars are without doubt overpriced, there's little or no discount and once the car is out of the factory warranty you literally can't touch anything on the car if you wish to keep the extended warranty in place (not even clear film on the paint for example, that voids the entire warranty).
Edit: and before anyone jumps in to say putting the warranty on the car and claiming on it are two different things, I have had components replaced under that warranty with no issue at all.
Edited by DT398 on Sunday 6th March 06:40
HoHoHo said:
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The 911 will always have a special place with most drivers however I really, really don't like the Porsche dealer network and to the point I refuse to buy another car from them currently. The cars are without doubt overpriced, there's little or no discount and once the car is out of the factory warranty you literally can't touch anything on the car if you wish to keep the extended warranty in place (not even clear film on the paint for example, that voids the entire warranty).
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+1The 911 will always have a special place with most drivers however I really, really don't like the Porsche dealer network and to the point I refuse to buy another car from them currently. The cars are without doubt overpriced, there's little or no discount and once the car is out of the factory warranty you literally can't touch anything on the car if you wish to keep the extended warranty in place (not even clear film on the paint for example, that voids the entire warranty).
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Just been totally messed around by Porsche Solihull on a new car order. Don't want to deal with them as a matter of principle. Will stick to my 993!
DT398 said:
HoHoHo said:
I've owned two 911's, a 996 and a 997 but have driven a 991 quite extensively over the last few years.
The 911 will always have a special place with most drivers however I really, really don't like the Porsche dealer network and to the point I refuse to buy another car from them currently. The cars are without doubt overpriced, there's little or no discount and once the car is out of the factory warranty you literally can't touch anything on the car if you wish to keep the extended warranty in place (not even clear film on the paint for example, that voids the entire warranty).
Not my experience. I just renewed the warranty for 2 years on a 2011 997 RS and its fully covered in protection film. Have you tried to apply a Porsche extended warranty to a car with film on it? The 911 will always have a special place with most drivers however I really, really don't like the Porsche dealer network and to the point I refuse to buy another car from them currently. The cars are without doubt overpriced, there's little or no discount and once the car is out of the factory warranty you literally can't touch anything on the car if you wish to keep the extended warranty in place (not even clear film on the paint for example, that voids the entire warranty).
Edit: and before anyone jumps in to say putting the warranty on the car and claiming on it are two different things, I have had components replaced under that warranty with no issue at all.
Edited by DT398 on Sunday 6th March 06:40
Pennyroyal Tea said:
911s are lethal, especially in the wet. Definitely buy something with four wheel drive, like an Audi Quattro S-line.
What utter tosh. I've had two and driven many. The older ones ur 993 and before could be scary in poor conditions. Takes a real idiot to get anything than 996 into bad shape if unprovoked.It's a rear engine RWD car, respect it for that and use the power when appropriate to do so and you will be very unlucky to get caught out.
W12GT said:
Pennyroyal Tea said:
911s are lethal, especially in the wet. Definitely buy something with four wheel drive, like an Audi Quattro S-line.
What utter tosh. I've had two and driven many. The older ones ur 993 and before could be scary in poor conditions. Takes a real idiot to get anything than 996 into bad shape if unprovoked.It's a rear engine RWD car, respect it for that and use the power when appropriate to do so and you will be very unlucky to get caught out.
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