F10 M5 traction

[BigLion]

Andy M said:

I unintentionally had my standard M5 spinning its rear tyres in 6th gear last night while short-shifting onto a motorway access road. This was with traction control on.

Edited by Andy M on Tuesday 10th January 08:39

Honestly I'd get the geo / tyres checked - if you're near me you're welcome to come for a passenger ride to compare. I was tanking around on throttle to the floor on 2nd gear - on dry roads and temps at 9 degrees there was no traction control light

Edited by BigLion on Tuesday 10th January 23:42

[TrickyTrevM5]

^^^^^^this

[Andy M]

BigLion said:

Andy M said:

I unintentionally had my standard M5 spinning its rear tyres in 6th gear last night while short-shifting onto a motorway access road. This was with traction control on.

Honestly I'd get the geo / tyres checked - if you're near me you're welcome to come for a passenger ride to compare. I was tanking around on throttle to the floor on 2nd gear - on dry roads and temps at 9 degrees there was no traction control light

Thanks for the offer.

While I don't think I've ever floored the car in 2nd and the bank end has not attempted to step out, the drive I referred to was in cold and damp conditions at night (with rock salt remnants still on the road).

[HoHoHo]

I always found with all cars I've owned that have some serious grunt the rears are sensitive to tread and I have new tyres fitted when tread is at 3mm.

In stty conditions wide far tyres simply can't move the muck without a decent grove on the tyre.

[ds666]

BigLion said:

Honestly I'd get the geo / tyres checked - if you're near me you're welcome to come for a passenger ride to compare. I was tanking around on throttle to the floor on 2nd gear - on dry roads and temps at 9 degrees there was no traction control light

Edited by BigLion on Tuesday 10th January 23:42

I'd be getting your engine checked !! There is no way that if you simply floor the throttle in 2nd you will not see the traction light flashing ( unless it's off )

[W8PMC]

ds666 said:

I'd be getting your engine checked !! There is no way that if you simply floor the throttle in 2nd you will not see the traction light flashing ( unless it's off )

That

I see the TC light flash through to 4th on hard upshifts in the dry, in the wet i don't bother as it's permanently lit (just kidding as i turn the wick right down for the Winter season).

Even in the Summer i'd still get a squirm into 3rd but was never an issue as could stay on WOT through the gears.

[BigLion]

ds666 said:

BigLion said:

Honestly I'd get the geo / tyres checked - if you're near me you're welcome to come for a passenger ride to compare. I was tanking around on throttle to the floor on 2nd gear - on dry roads and temps at 9 degrees there was no traction control light

Edited by BigLion on Tuesday 10th January 23:42

I'd be getting your engine checked !! There is no way that if you simply floor the throttle in 2nd you will not see the traction light flashing ( unless it's off )

Engine is perfect - thanks

Honestly I cannot believe you guys are having issues on dry roads when temps are above 8 degrees - I'm loving the throttle to the floor moments !!!

[ds666]

Check out any in-car m5 video on youtube and watch the light flash as they accelerate .
You running slicks ?

[BigLion]

ds666 said:

Check out any in-car m5 video on youtube and watch the light flash as they accelerate .
You running slicks ?

Nope, I can try and get my passenger to film it next time.

All I can say is that is honestly my experience!

[Ahbefive]

I thought the traction control light was juat permanently illuminated in M5s.

[Carpmart]

I'm in the 'don't have too much issue with traction' camp! Of course one can over power the rears easily, but it's about feel for throttle application; my M5 is a highly rewarding driving machine which i predominantly use in MDM mode. The progressive way traction can be achieved (or not) is actually a significant part of the attraction of this genre of car!

[MWM3]

Pirelli tyres won't help with traction, MPSS are much better. However in this weather the TC light will be a regular sight if you boot it regardless of tyre make.

[beanoir]

BigLion said:

Andy M said:

I unintentionally had my standard M5 spinning its rear tyres in 6th gear last night while short-shifting onto a motorway access road. This was with traction control on.

Edited by Andy M on Tuesday 10th January 08:39

Honestly I'd get the geo / tyres checked - if you're near me you're welcome to come for a passenger ride to compare. I was tanking around on throttle to the floor on 2nd gear - on dry roads and temps at 9 degrees there was no traction control light

Edited by BigLion on Tuesday 10th January 23:42

You must have some magic tarmac where you live!

[BigLion]

beanoir said:

BigLion said:

Andy M said:

I unintentionally had my standard M5 spinning its rear tyres in 6th gear last night while short-shifting onto a motorway access road. This was with traction control on.

Edited by Andy M on Tuesday 10th January 08:39

Honestly I'd get the geo / tyres checked - if you're near me you're welcome to come for a passenger ride to compare. I was tanking around on throttle to the floor on 2nd gear - on dry roads and temps at 9 degrees there was no traction control light

Edited by BigLion on Tuesday 10th January 23:42

You must have some magic tarmac where you live!

Must have !!!

[spudgun08]

I've had plenty of powerful RWD cars, and I have to be honest, the traction on this car is poor. Tyres have done around 4K miles, I don't hammer it at junctions/roundabouts , yet I seem to nearly always have wheelspin/tc cuttting in when trying to pull out.

[V5Ade]

I've been out in the snow tonight twice. Competition package F10, and it was fine. I do have the winter tyre package.

[Harris_I]

Carpmart said:

I'm in the 'don't have too much issue with traction' camp! Of course one can over power the rears easily, but it's about feel for throttle application; my M5 is a highly rewarding driving machine which i predominantly use in MDM mode. The progressive way traction can be achieved (or not) is actually a significant part of the attraction of this genre of car!

Ditto. Yes the M5 doesn't have great traction but that goes for anything front engine/rear drive with 560 horses in the wet. Treat the accelerator like a switch and the dashboard does light up like a Christmas tree. It may be a generational thing? I learnt to drive in cars from the 80s and 90s and maybe subconsciously consider it a badge of shame to have the TC light up?

[Andy M]

The M5 has traction issues you could reasonably expect a rwd 550bhp+ car to have; particularly noticeable in less than bone-dry conditions.

When I was younger the 996 GT2 (aka 'The Widowmaker' for its speed and traction issues) was a dream car. As I'm sure is the case with most on PH, part of my attraction of such cars is whether you can tame them.

[W8PMC]

BigLion said:

Engine is perfect - thanks

Honestly I cannot believe you guys are having issues on dry roads when temps are above 8 degrees - I'm loving the throttle to the floor moments !!!

I wouldn't say i'm having issues as i'm firmly in the 'car only rarely has caught me out' camp, but having tracked the car many times in great weather, i rarely have a scenario where the TC light doesn't flicker in 2nd & 3rd when pushing on. Doesn't happen every time, but in the lower gears i'll often see a flash, however this doesn't always mean i can physically feel that the car's lost traction. Worth noting mine's putting out close to 750bhp, so that could be the cause to inducing the flicker, but stating again i find the traction in mine even with the enhanced outputs to be very good-excellent.

[BigLion]

W8PMC said:

BigLion said:

Engine is perfect - thanks

Honestly I cannot believe you guys are having issues on dry roads when temps are above 8 degrees - I'm loving the throttle to the floor moments !!!

I wouldn't say i'm having issues as i'm firmly in the 'car only rarely has caught me out' camp, but having tracked the car many times in great weather, i rarely have a scenario where the TC light doesn't flicker in 2nd & 3rd when pushing on. Doesn't happen every time, but in the lower gears i'll often see a flash, however this doesn't always mean i can physically feel that the car's lost traction. Worth noting mine's putting out close to 750bhp, so that could be the cause to inducing the flicker, but stating again i find the traction in mine even with the enhanced outputs to be very good-excellent.

Makes sense, my one is standard - is the remap worth it or is it too much for the car to take unless you feather the throttle?