Is the F8X M3 really that bad?
Discussion
Wills2 said:
No.
Have you driven one? It's got masses of grip the front end is the sharpest ever given to an M3 it goes in to and out of corners quicker than any previous M3 that I've owned.
WItness Chris Harris s
ting himself driving one. NOT.
https://youtu.be/vqGX7Y0GZXE
To reiterate the first sentence: "the early cars". Later road tests didn't find a problem, so that suggests a change to the suspension set up. Subsequent updates appear to have won praise, with the occasional comment about how galling this might be for those who owned earlier cars.
HTH.
Have you driven one? It's got masses of grip the front end is the sharpest ever given to an M3 it goes in to and out of corners quicker than any previous M3 that I've owned.
WItness Chris Harris s
ting himself driving one. NOT. https://youtu.be/vqGX7Y0GZXE
To reiterate the first sentence: "the early cars". Later road tests didn't find a problem, so that suggests a change to the suspension set up. Subsequent updates appear to have won praise, with the occasional comment about how galling this might be for those who owned earlier cars.
HTH.
Edited by Wills2 on Friday 25th August 08:11
Patrick Bateman said:
It's a medium-sized saloon car, it is not massive.
If you think it is massive to drive then never set foot in a 6 series.
It's mahoosive next to the models that made the reputation of the M3. Other "medium size" saloons are also nothing of the sort.If you think it is massive to drive then never set foot in a 6 series.
None of them fit in a regular supermarket parking bay, never mind the garage of a house built before 2010...
Picked up a M3 CP a few months ago. Very happy with the way it drives, sounds and makes you feel. It replaced a C63 with the 6.2 V8. Plenty of grip and never feel like the thing is trying to kill me. I think they resolved the suspension and tractions issues with the LCI in both the normal M3 and CP.
ftypical said:
Wills2 said:
No.
Have you driven one? It's got masses of grip the front end is the sharpest ever given to an M3 it goes in to and out of corners quicker than any previous M3 that I've owned.
WItness Chris Harris sting himself driving one. NOT.
https://youtu.be/vqGX7Y0GZXE
To reiterate the first sentence: "the early cars". Later road tests didn't find a problem, so that suggests a change to the suspension set up. Subsequent updates appear to have won praise, with the occasional comment about how galling this might be for those who owned earlier cars.Have you driven one? It's got masses of grip the front end is the sharpest ever given to an M3 it goes in to and out of corners quicker than any previous M3 that I've owned.
WItness Chris Harris s
ting himself driving one. NOT. https://youtu.be/vqGX7Y0GZXE
HTH.
I was actually taken aback by how much sharper the F80 was compared to my late model e92.
So I guess you have zero time in the car?
I sorted the quotes out for you as well HTH.
ftypical said:
It's mahoosive next to the models that made the reputation of the M3. Other "medium size" saloons are also nothing of the sort.
None of them fit in a regular supermarket parking bay, never mind the garage of a house built before 2010...
How many cars comfortably fit in any typical garage?None of them fit in a regular supermarket parking bay, never mind the garage of a house built before 2010...
Times move on, it is medium sized and certainly not hard to place on the road to the point the only place you can use it are 'wide, straight roads'.
ftypical said:
It's mahoosive next to the models that made the reputation of the M3. Other "medium size" saloons are also nothing of the sort.
None of them fit in a regular supermarket parking bay, never mind the garage of a house built before 2010...
I don't want to be rude but you really haven't got a clue have you? None of them fit in a regular supermarket parking bay, never mind the garage of a house built before 2010...
Cherry picking reviews all round I suppose, but EVO really didn't seem to like the early test cars. If the early road tests aren't part of the reason why the OP asked if they have an undeserved reputation I would be interested to hear what else might have contributed.
As an E46 coupe owner I liked the look of the 4 series coupe when pictures were first released, but when I saw one on the road for the first time the sheer size of the thing was what struck me - not a good start.
But then, I also own an F-type coupe and that not only doesn't fit into parking spaces, it's also a strict 2-seater with similar luggage space to an MX-5...
As an E46 coupe owner I liked the look of the 4 series coupe when pictures were first released, but when I saw one on the road for the first time the sheer size of the thing was what struck me - not a good start.
But then, I also own an F-type coupe and that not only doesn't fit into parking spaces, it's also a strict 2-seater with similar luggage space to an MX-5...
Wills2 said:
That is a launch car 2014 model that's his launch review, I drove a launch car in 2014 back to back against my e92 M3 CP and it felt lighter/sharper/faster.
I was actually taken aback by how much sharper the F80 was compared to my late model e92.
So I guess you have zero time in the car?
I sorted the quotes out for you as well HTH.
Ta.I was actually taken aback by how much sharper the F80 was compared to my late model e92.
So I guess you have zero time in the car?
I sorted the quotes out for you as well HTH.
ftypical said:
Wills2 said:
I don't want to be rude but you really haven't got a clue have you?
Lovely bridge you have there. PH has too many posters like you, which is a shame..
I don't dislike them, but I do have some reservations about the current size of what used to be BMW's smallest model.
The F-type is - indeed - a little confused as to whether it's a GT or a sports car. How big and heavy it becomes in subsequent versions is a source of concern if it follows the same trajectory as the 3-series.
The F-type is - indeed - a little confused as to whether it's a GT or a sports car. How big and heavy it becomes in subsequent versions is a source of concern if it follows the same trajectory as the 3-series.
ftypical said:
I don't dislike them, but I do have some reservations about the current size of what used to be BMW's smallest model.
The F-type is - indeed - a little confused as to whether it's a GT or a sports car. How big and heavy it becomes in subsequent versions is a source of concern if it follows the same trajectory as the 3-series.
The F30 3 series is 100mm longer than the E90 3 series but it's narrower. And the E46 3 series is hardly much smaller in the grand scheme of things (few percent smaller).The F-type is - indeed - a little confused as to whether it's a GT or a sports car. How big and heavy it becomes in subsequent versions is a source of concern if it follows the same trajectory as the 3-series.
I think it's in your head tbh...
I've never found an issue with traction or stability in our F80 LCI in any conditions, but I do think that being a manual helps in that regard as well as being an LCI car.
What I would say is changing from the OE fit Continentals that our car came on to some Michelin Pilot Sport 4S recently has transformed the grip. Before the change (even when the rear tyres were new) with the TC system off, the car would chatter the rear wheels under full acceleration in 2nd gear even in the dry.. but now on the same test there is nothing but grip and the front end seems a LOT sharper and more planted, I actually cannot believe the difference that the tyres have made given it's 'just' a switch between two premium brands.
Cheers,
Grant
What I would say is changing from the OE fit Continentals that our car came on to some Michelin Pilot Sport 4S recently has transformed the grip. Before the change (even when the rear tyres were new) with the TC system off, the car would chatter the rear wheels under full acceleration in 2nd gear even in the dry.. but now on the same test there is nothing but grip and the front end seems a LOT sharper and more planted, I actually cannot believe the difference that the tyres have made given it's 'just' a switch between two premium brands.
Cheers,
Grant
GroundEffect said:
The F30 3 series is 100mm longer than the E90 3 series but it's narrower. And the E46 3 series is hardly much smaller in the grand scheme of things (few percent smaller).
I think it's in your head tbh...
F80 M3 is slightly lighter than previous E92 M3 as well. I suppose it depends what you are used to driving if it feels nimble or not, I think it does but that's coming from an M5. I like that it's quite practical as well being 4 door and a bigger boot than the E90 M3.I think it's in your head tbh...
GroundEffect said:
The F30 3 series is 100mm longer than the E90 3 series but it's narrower. And the E46 3 series is hardly much smaller in the grand scheme of things (few percent smaller).
I think it's in your head tbh...
Probably. The M3CP I was in this morning seemed okay, and I liked the driving position.I think it's in your head tbh...
I've just been reading a thread on Cutters where someone asserts that the M4 is boring, so it seems my impressions of the car are actually pretty favourable.
I picked up an M4 CP convertible about 6 weeks ago.
There are some things I love about it and it's a very pleasant summer car but there are other things I like a lot less. Gearbox is great, noise with the CP exhaust is enjoyable when you're in the mood, infotainment is best in class. Steering I really don't like, searing position is poor and the rear end is bouncy. It's a GT car and not a decapitated sports saloon.
Whether I'll keep a hold of it once the weather turns I really don't know.
I came to this from a truculent and unreliable Giulia Quad which lasted three months owing to a tantrum from the car in each and every month. In terms of dynamics and a general sense of "specialness" I found the Alfa a better prospect than the M3 tintop which is what pushed towards the conv for a slightly different steer.
There are some things I love about it and it's a very pleasant summer car but there are other things I like a lot less. Gearbox is great, noise with the CP exhaust is enjoyable when you're in the mood, infotainment is best in class. Steering I really don't like, searing position is poor and the rear end is bouncy. It's a GT car and not a decapitated sports saloon.
Whether I'll keep a hold of it once the weather turns I really don't know.
I came to this from a truculent and unreliable Giulia Quad which lasted three months owing to a tantrum from the car in each and every month. In terms of dynamics and a general sense of "specialness" I found the Alfa a better prospect than the M3 tintop which is what pushed towards the conv for a slightly different steer.
Shuks76 said:
Picked up a M3 CP a few months ago. Very happy with the way it drives, sounds and makes you feel. It replaced a C63 with the 6.2 V8. Plenty of grip and never feel like the thing is trying to kill me. I think they resolved the suspension and tractions issues with the LCI in both the normal M3 and CP.
i did exactly the same. LCI m3 CP.the car is brilliant, loads of power, sharp turn in and taut yet pliant suspension, even the steering is well weighted.
can't believe the press hated it so much. The 2014 model must have been quite a dog. This is a very accomplished sports sedan.
Can someone put this traction issue into perspective for me, as i have only owned my M3 CP for two months and still getting used to it.
At what speed is one travelling to feel that the car lacks traction? Does all its rival have way better traction? (excluding Audi).
I think a higher level of skill is required to get the most out of these cars(not saying I have those skills). There is reason why these cars are so rewarding to drive, you have to 'drive' them.
The underlying theme from all the reports on this car is that you need to be on your game to get the best out of it. For some of us that is too much and we are not willing to work on it, hence we complain or we sell the car.
The rivals tend be easier to drive faster and more people want that. There are sacrifices. Look where Audi are positioning its new RS5? GT cruiser. It can't match the M4 for driving thrills and never has done, so it is giving up.
If you want to drive at serious speed on the public roads in all conditions maybe the M3 is not for you.
Oh and on the matter of size, I had a 240i before so yes it is bigger. I have two scuffed alloys already, but I'll get used to it.
At what speed is one travelling to feel that the car lacks traction? Does all its rival have way better traction? (excluding Audi).
I think a higher level of skill is required to get the most out of these cars(not saying I have those skills). There is reason why these cars are so rewarding to drive, you have to 'drive' them.
The underlying theme from all the reports on this car is that you need to be on your game to get the best out of it. For some of us that is too much and we are not willing to work on it, hence we complain or we sell the car.
The rivals tend be easier to drive faster and more people want that. There are sacrifices. Look where Audi are positioning its new RS5? GT cruiser. It can't match the M4 for driving thrills and never has done, so it is giving up.
If you want to drive at serious speed on the public roads in all conditions maybe the M3 is not for you.
Oh and on the matter of size, I had a 240i before so yes it is bigger. I have two scuffed alloys already, but I'll get used to it.
GroundEffect said:
The F30 3 series is 100mm longer than the E90 3 series but it's narrower. And the E46 3 series is hardly much smaller in the grand scheme of things (few percent smaller).
I think it's in your head tbh...
F80 M3 width = 1877mmI think it's in your head tbh...
E92 M3 width = 1817mm
It is not narrower....
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