What would you pay? Highest mileage CSL
Discussion
GregorFuk said:
IMO the biggest risk to E46 M3s in general, Is the rear floor pan cracking and rot in general. The running gear is simple and strong, the engine block is cast iron so should go on for ever. Some say big end bearings should be changed around 60k though that seems odd to me.
No reason why they can't run and run.
Only due to the early cars having conrod bearing issues. BMW released a Service bulletin (the proper name escapes me) about it. But SWMBO has got an 02 plate with 112k miles and not had any major engine issues apart from a coil pack.No reason why they can't run and run.
S54 is pretty bulletproof engine, head gaskets can go, vanos can be a bit temperamental and it wouldn't be a BMW without tracking small oil leaks (CPV seal mainly) but have not heard anything else really...
Kettmark said:
Thread revival. What are people's thoughts as to where these might be now & where they are heading?
I don't see values as having shifted much. High milers are crica £35K cars, lower the milage the higher asking price but the £60K cars don't seem to sell and I can understand why as more and more modern GT Porsches (Thinking GT4) slide into the same price bracket. Personally I see the Alfa Gulia Quadrifoglio as the modern day CSL with its carbon bonnet, roof, propshaft etc. As a past owner I think I'd rather one of them than risk the headache of a 20 year old CSL.
Kettmark said:
Thread revival. What are people's thoughts as to where these might be now & where they are heading?
No idea. I still have mine although I keep being told to downsize from three cars to two - x1 general use and x1 for spirited drives, track and polishing.I have told myself that once they get to 20 years I will think about selling. I love mine to bits aside from SMG as I am still a stick man through and through. I would have thought low milers will maintain their price and high milers will start to catch them up a bit ie there will not be such a disparity in asking prices.
The upside is they came about at then end of an age of 'proper' cars that did not weigh a tonne, were turbo charged, were not jam packed with electrics. The older cars still have some tactility and connection with the road.
Look at the likes of the M2. A heavy barge with armchair like seats disassociated with the road.
Pip
I used think they were a little overpriced. However, alot of other things near this kind of money now.
As a non-CSL M3 owner I wasn't a fan of the SMG at first. However, I have found in decent form it's good fun, and a little leftfield. Obviously it's it only ever manual only, that's something that can't be compromised. With mine, I found the following made huge differences
-Bush changes (Subframe bushes in particular); From what I've seen, even the low milers cars have these shot now ; One 40k car on M3 Cutters had the sleeves debonding from the rubber. It improved the gearchanges and throttle response with me.
-CSL Remap ; Obviously, that doesn't apply
-Engine health. When I did the VANOS and coil packs on mine it made a difference to how the engine pulled and also the 'box ; The coil packs were really surprising ; My car didn't really misfire before at all, but the packs did look 'wet' and were all the factory coilpacks bar one. After all, the gearbox will only change smoothly and correctly depending on how the engine is acting, or is not acting.
-CV Joints. Even in S6, in one car (and for a brief moment mine) with a rebuilt prop, DMF, and new CV joints in places, it really wasn't that harsh. Mine has got a little harsh again (not loads), but the outer CV is developing play. Not too surprising after 18 years, and 150k however.
A friend of mine was even dissapointed in the above example. He expected S6 to be a neck snapper.
Obviously it's only my take from a number of cars I've driven and owned. But how a CSL drives depends entirely on how it's been maintained and had things gone through with a fine toothed comb, not a low mileage/1 owner car, albeit the transition to get that car right will be easier
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Pip1968 said:
No idea. I still have mine although I keep being told to downsize from three cars to two - x1 general use and x1 for spirited drives, track and polishing.
I have told myself that once they get to 20 years I will think about selling. I love mine to bits aside from SMG as I am still a stick man through and through. I would have thought low milers will maintain their price and high milers will start to catch them up a bit ie there will not be such a disparity in asking prices.
The upside is they came about at then end of an age of 'proper' cars that did not weigh a tonne, were turbo charged, were not jam packed with electrics. The older cars still have some tactility and connection with the road.
Look at the likes of the M2. A heavy barge with armchair like seats disassociated with the road.
Pip
It seems the 00s is the sweet spot for decent cars.I have told myself that once they get to 20 years I will think about selling. I love mine to bits aside from SMG as I am still a stick man through and through. I would have thought low milers will maintain their price and high milers will start to catch them up a bit ie there will not be such a disparity in asking prices.
The upside is they came about at then end of an age of 'proper' cars that did not weigh a tonne, were turbo charged, were not jam packed with electrics. The older cars still have some tactility and connection with the road.
Look at the likes of the M2. A heavy barge with armchair like seats disassociated with the road.
Pip
As a non-CSL M3 owner I wasn't a fan of the SMG at first. However, I have found in decent form it's good fun, and a little leftfield. Obviously it's it only ever manual only, that's something that can't be compromised. With mine, I found the following made huge differences
-Bush changes (Subframe bushes in particular); From what I've seen, even the low milers cars have these shot now ; One 40k car on M3 Cutters had the sleeves debonding from the rubber. It improved the gearchanges and throttle response with me.
-CSL Remap ; Obviously, that doesn't apply
-Engine health. When I did the VANOS and coil packs on mine it made a difference to how the engine pulled and also the 'box ; The coil packs were really surprising ; My car didn't really misfire before at all, but the packs did look 'wet' and were all the factory coilpacks bar one. After all, the gearbox will only change smoothly and correctly depending on how the engine is acting, or is not acting.
-CV Joints. Even in S6, in one car (and for a brief moment mine) with a rebuilt prop, DMF, and new CV joints in places, it really wasn't that harsh. Mine has got a little harsh again (not loads), but the outer CV is developing play. Not too surprising after 18 years, and 150k however.
A friend of mine was even dissapointed in the above example. He expected S6 to be a neck snapper.
Obviously it's only my take from a number of cars I've driven and owned. But how a CSL drives depends entirely on how it's been maintained and had things gone through with a fine toothed comb, not a low mileage/1 owner car, albeit the transition to get that car right will be easier
.GT3s with 40-60k miles of the same vintage are in the £40-50k bracket now on Collecting Cars. As much as I love a CSL, the GT3 is where I'd park my money.
I'd like to see a CSL go through Collecting Cars with no reserve to see where the market puts it. Chapper's 130k(?) manual CSL didn't meet the reserve on there and didn't sell but got to mid £30ks.
I'd like to see a CSL go through Collecting Cars with no reserve to see where the market puts it. Chapper's 130k(?) manual CSL didn't meet the reserve on there and didn't sell but got to mid £30ks.
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