I've sold my m4 and bought an e92 m3
Discussion
The JM said:
"Jumpy handling" Finally we get to the truth. Another M4 / M3 owner who's previous car ownership is devoid of anything with torque has scared themselves with some low down grunt. The V8 M3 will be perfect for you. Personally I hated the complete lack of grunt from my V8 M3, and of course love my current F80 M3's delivery.
I just don't understand why people slate the current car instead of admitting it is a bit too manly for them and moving on quietly.
"jumpy handling" has been a complaint for many first-release M3s - even before the latest torque monster. I certainly don't think it is related to torque, either. I remember when the first e46 M3 was released a common complaint was "jumpy handling" from the back end - the "pogo" effect - and that car doesn't have a lot of torque. It was largely resolved in the CS when they revised the springs/dampers and made it a bit softer. I just don't understand why people slate the current car instead of admitting it is a bit too manly for them and moving on quietly.
And again history seems to be repeating itself with the recent reviews of the competition pack suggesting the car feels more tied down - certainly not for lack of torque! Admittedly I cannot comment on the latter because I haven't driven either the new M3 or the competition pack variant.
Finally - need to keep some perspective here. It's the new M3, so it's going to get lots of grumpiness until the next one is released, after which the grumpiness will be directed at that. It happens every time - e46 "heavy", "rubbish steering" "SMG? WTF?", e92 "lazy", "heavy" "too refined", f82 "rubbish engine" "NA is better" "it's just a jumped up 335i" etc. etc. In the end it's still at the pointy end of fast, dynamic and fun to drive cars for the price, so it will no doubt be remembered as another great M3 - just give it 10 years.
Some great comments for the e92 M3. I pick my 2011MY up on Tuesday complete with 2 years BMW AUC warranty. Never driven one before but having read every review and video on this earth and wanting one of these for years I had to bite the bullet.
part exing my 320D so should be a different trip coming home
part exing my 320D so should be a different trip coming home
woogie said:
Some great comments for the e92 M3. I pick my 2011MY up on Tuesday complete with 2 years BMW AUC warranty. Never driven one before but having read every review and video on this earth and wanting one of these for years I had to bite the bullet.
part exing my 320D so should be a different trip coming home
YES! That's going to be insane. It's not the power that's most impressive, it's just how much better the chassis is. The EDiff makes a hell of a difference too.part exing my 320D so should be a different trip coming home
jon- said:
YES! That's going to be insane. It's not the power that's most impressive, it's just how much better the chassis is. The EDiff makes a hell of a difference too.
cheers - just watched your video too about tyres - michellin pilot sports on mine 
Forgive my ignorance but what's EDiff? LSD ?
Edited by woogie on Friday 11th November 14:18
I have an E93 i.e. the convertible. It does suffer from feeling like there's a lack of available torque at times due to the weight but really that's the only gripe for me.
The DCT box and three stage damping really make it quite versatile. As it's my only car and I don't use it for commuting it has to feel a bit special and for me it does. It is Interlagos blue with the Dary grey leather. Some probably might think that's verging on the tacky but I like it. Previous car was a 996C4S convertible and although that was much more of sports car, my children complained about being stuffed in the back for any length of time which meant it was a bit of an issue for anything more than local trips.
The interior is much better in the M3 and it feels better built. Then again it is five years newer and fewer miles.
My budget restricted me to the lower end of the market and my paint is not great but I think most of it can be sorted. After that a bit more noise from the exhaust and I think it will be a keeper. I could probably finance an M3/4 but really have no interest at the moment even though I like the looks.
The DCT box and three stage damping really make it quite versatile. As it's my only car and I don't use it for commuting it has to feel a bit special and for me it does. It is Interlagos blue with the Dary grey leather. Some probably might think that's verging on the tacky but I like it. Previous car was a 996C4S convertible and although that was much more of sports car, my children complained about being stuffed in the back for any length of time which meant it was a bit of an issue for anything more than local trips.
The interior is much better in the M3 and it feels better built. Then again it is five years newer and fewer miles.
My budget restricted me to the lower end of the market and my paint is not great but I think most of it can be sorted. After that a bit more noise from the exhaust and I think it will be a keeper. I could probably finance an M3/4 but really have no interest at the moment even though I like the looks.
just took the hit and sold my m4 after a few months ownership - the car just wasnt for me. its deferentially a better looking car than my e92 and the engine sure did have a lot of grunt, but imo the whole package was "soulless".
i get how people would get on with the car, tech wise its a massive step forward, but, going by my circle at least, everyone who did goe rid of there m4 did so far from the reason of it being too much car to handle and more so due to it being a lack of "experience" driving it
further to my optimism, i find the hype over the v8 m3's engine completely over hyped with other competitors producing better performing/sounding/ engines - i dont understand how the v10 s85 doesn't get more of the spotlight - thats something special imho
i get how people would get on with the car, tech wise its a massive step forward, but, going by my circle at least, everyone who did goe rid of there m4 did so far from the reason of it being too much car to handle and more so due to it being a lack of "experience" driving it
further to my optimism, i find the hype over the v8 m3's engine completely over hyped with other competitors producing better performing/sounding/ engines - i dont understand how the v10 s85 doesn't get more of the spotlight - thats something special imho
Edited by stef1808 on Tuesday 15th November 07:43
jon- said:
Owned an E46 M3, currently own an e92 M3. Use M4s for tyre testing quite a bit.
The e92 is a good car with an incredible engine. Can't see what I'll move to next in the sub 50k bracket. Maybe an R8, but I know how good the V10s are so wouldn't want a V8, or an F Type, but that doesn't have that NA V8 appeal.
Certainly won't be moving to an M4. Soulless car.
Does an evora appeal? Lighter and arguably more fun through the bends.Parts, on the whole are cheaper.The e92 is a good car with an incredible engine. Can't see what I'll move to next in the sub 50k bracket. Maybe an R8, but I know how good the V10s are so wouldn't want a V8, or an F Type, but that doesn't have that NA V8 appeal.
Certainly won't be moving to an M4. Soulless car.
They can sound absolutely fantastic too. Only a 3.5l instead of 4l and doesn't carry the 'perceived' build quality of interiors etc that BMW / Porsche apparently have.
johnwilliams77 said:
Does an evora appeal? Lighter and arguably more fun through the bends.Parts, on the whole are cheaper.
They can sound absolutely fantastic too. Only a 3.5l instead of 4l and doesn't carry the 'perceived' build quality of interiors etc that BMW / Porsche apparently have.
my next car is going to be a road trip/weekend car (note not track day/daily as im lucky enough to have this covered)They can sound absolutely fantastic too. Only a 3.5l instead of 4l and doesn't carry the 'perceived' build quality of interiors etc that BMW / Porsche apparently have.
im looking to spend around the same as you also. thinking a r8/f type/or a classic 911. decisions decisions
stef1808 said:
my next car is going to be a road trip/weekend car (note not track day/daily as im lucky enough to have this covered)
im looking to spend around the same as you also. thinking a r8/f type/or a classic 911. decisions decisions
Evora, Cayman (6 cylinder), boxster, f type, 997, exige s3, jag xkr, older car (do you want to tinker?), TVR.... im looking to spend around the same as you also. thinking a r8/f type/or a classic 911. decisions decisions
So much choice....
Had my E92 M3 for 4 years now and last 3 used for just road trips and weekend blasts. Last road trip this year to Scotland a mate came along in his new M3. Have to say its a mighty fast car (the way it piles on speed with little drama is a bit scary), but as many have said the noise left me a bit meh. Comparing the soundtrack on our drive past videos and there is no comparison.
I'd have the f80 as a daily driver no question but the E92 engine makes it that bit more special for my usage. Keeping it in the 6-8k rev range is great but not when its use is as a daily driver, as someone said its a bit anti-social to drive that way all the time. That said I imagine anyone coming from a diesel would far prefer the F80 over the E92.
Actually in one aspect seems the best thing to happen to my E92 over the last 2 years is the F80, residuals seem to have taken a definite turn for the better. Wonder if I finally stumbled on a classic in the offing.
I'd have the f80 as a daily driver no question but the E92 engine makes it that bit more special for my usage. Keeping it in the 6-8k rev range is great but not when its use is as a daily driver, as someone said its a bit anti-social to drive that way all the time. That said I imagine anyone coming from a diesel would far prefer the F80 over the E92.
Actually in one aspect seems the best thing to happen to my E92 over the last 2 years is the F80, residuals seem to have taken a definite turn for the better. Wonder if I finally stumbled on a classic in the offing.
The JM said:
"Jumpy handling" Finally we get to the truth. Another M4 / M3 owner who's previous car ownership is devoid of anything with torque has scared themselves with some low down grunt. The V8 M3 will be perfect for you. Personally I hated the complete lack of grunt from my V8 M3, and of course love my current F80 M3's delivery.
I just don't understand why people slate the current car instead of admitting it is a bit too manly for them and moving on quietly.
Bow down. Driving God in the room....I just don't understand why people slate the current car instead of admitting it is a bit too manly for them and moving on quietly.
Tony B2 said:
The JM said:
"Jumpy handling" Finally we get to the truth. Another M4 / M3 owner who's previous car ownership is devoid of anything with torque has scared themselves with some low down grunt. The V8 M3 will be perfect for you. Personally I hated the complete lack of grunt from my V8 M3, and of course love my current F80 M3's delivery.
I just don't understand why people slate the current car instead of admitting it is a bit too manly for them and moving on quietly.
Bow down. Driving God in the room....I just don't understand why people slate the current car instead of admitting it is a bit too manly for them and moving on quietly.
Just picked my e92 m3 up .600 round trip from bournemouth to Leeds and back .trip back in m3 was mostly motorway but traffic jams on m1 and m25 and rain , congestion and a few accidents meant I never really had the chance to put my foot down much . Hence I was getting 34 mpg first 100 miles after that I was pressing all sorts of button lol. Anyway 29-4 mpg for a 270 miles trip is good IMO. Better than my old s2000, 996 or golf gti ( mapped).
Ride is so much better than the 320d convertible I traded in, no more run flats .
Anyway after driving nearly 600 miles today I am going to watch England beat Spain .
Ride is so much better than the 320d convertible I traded in, no more run flats .
Anyway after driving nearly 600 miles today I am going to watch England beat Spain .
Edited by woogie on Tuesday 15th November 19:26
Edited by woogie on Tuesday 15th November 19:27
BigLion said:
Tony B2 said:
The JM said:
"Jumpy handling" Finally we get to the truth. Another M4 / M3 owner who's previous car ownership is devoid of anything with torque has scared themselves with some low down grunt. The V8 M3 will be perfect for you. Personally I hated the complete lack of grunt from my V8 M3, and of course love my current F80 M3's delivery.
I just don't understand why people slate the current car instead of admitting it is a bit too manly for them and moving on quietly.
Bow down. Driving God in the room....I just don't understand why people slate the current car instead of admitting it is a bit too manly for them and moving on quietly.
The car had its advantages for sure. 30mpg with that performance really is something special, its a good looking car imo, comfortable around town yet fast and compliant when pushing on, ohh and on track its an absolute beast also.
Unfortunately for me, the negatives outdrew these:
I couldn't get on with the exhaust sound coming through the speaker's so ended up turning this off. This left a very unfulfilling cabin noise when on the throttle. More so the bubble noise when changing gears with the dsg actually sounded ok inside the cabin, but can't escape the fact that from the outside, for me, sounds tertible.
My favourite thing to do was to drive manually and keep it around 1.8k-3.4k rpm and ride the boost/listen to the turbo whsitle!
More so on the noise theme, I had the kardon speaker's which again just sounded crap. I would play around with the EQ forever but never got a decent result.
Lastly for me, the low revs hooligaism was almost non existsnt? It may as well been a sensible Quattro bellow 3K or so. Although it did make up for that pulling massive slides on the track at higher speeds/rpm
Edited by stef1808 on Tuesday 15th November 20:44
Interesting comments.
I've got a MY2017 M4 Convertible CP, and it's not only the all round best car I've ever owned, but also the one I've looked forward to driving most. Maybe the CP or 2017 changes make a difference, maybe it's just the characteristics of this vehicle which resonate with me.
In contrast the E92 M3's I've driven in the past left me a little cold, and I think the "legendary" engine note extremely over-hyped. I was all set to buy one a few years ago, but bought an E61 M5 instead. I'd take the current gen M3/4 over any of its predecessors. Again, maybe just me - I didn't gel with the current M5 - so if there's one lesson for would be buyers, it's to try the cars personally and take internet banter with a pinch of salt.
I've got a MY2017 M4 Convertible CP, and it's not only the all round best car I've ever owned, but also the one I've looked forward to driving most. Maybe the CP or 2017 changes make a difference, maybe it's just the characteristics of this vehicle which resonate with me.
In contrast the E92 M3's I've driven in the past left me a little cold, and I think the "legendary" engine note extremely over-hyped. I was all set to buy one a few years ago, but bought an E61 M5 instead. I'd take the current gen M3/4 over any of its predecessors. Again, maybe just me - I didn't gel with the current M5 - so if there's one lesson for would be buyers, it's to try the cars personally and take internet banter with a pinch of salt.
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