I've sold my m4 and bought an e92 m3

[cerb4.5lee]

Wills2 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Tony B2 said:

And still get so many unsolicited compliments on the car, from complete strangers.

Really It's a 3 series ffs.

I complimented a guy on his e90 M3 the other day, car people like good cars.

Fair enough.

[TheAngryDog]

Wills2 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Tony B2 said:

And still get so many unsolicited compliments on the car, from complete strangers.

Really It's a 3 series ffs.

I complimented a guy on his e90 M3 the other day, car people like good cars.

Some of us arent car people. Not me though, I appreciate good cars.

[e21Mark]

TheAngryDog said:

Wills2 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Tony B2 said:

And still get so many unsolicited compliments on the car, from complete strangers.

Really It's a 3 series ffs.

I complimented a guy on his e90 M3 the other day, car people like good cars.

Some of us arent car people. Not me though, I appreciate good cars.

I get comments from non car folk about my old e30. I guess some folk are appreciative of the aesthetic and most M3's are simply very good looking cars.

I prefer the NA engines myself too. I just think M cars should have high revving, responsive engines that need to be worked a little harder to get the best from them. It's for that reason I never really enjoyed my old e39 M5. They're very good cars but the way the engine delivers all that grunt just isn't for me. If only it had been blessed with the later V8!

[The GMan]

cerb4.5lee said:

Tony B2 said:

And still get so many unsolicited compliments on the car, from complete strangers.

Really It's a 3 series ffs.

Weirdly I have had more compliments/acknowledgements in my M4 than I ever got in my Aston V8V.

[cerb4.5lee]

The GMan said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Tony B2 said:

And still get so many unsolicited compliments on the car, from complete strangers.

Really It's a 3 series ffs.

Weirdly I have had more compliments/acknowledgements in my M4 than I ever got in my Aston V8V.

That does surprise me to be fair and I just see the M3/M4 as a normal car with a body kit, but I would lust after and admire the Aston though.

We're all different that's for sure.

[e21Mark]

cerb4.5lee said:

We're all different that's for sure.

I like the diversity of car forums. Personally I have never wanted a supercar and prefer 70's and 80's stuff, like Escorts, E21/30'S etc. I guess it could be an age thing? Mind you, I couldn't afford much of a supercar anyway.

[cerb4.5lee]

e21Mark said:

cerb4.5lee said:

We're all different that's for sure.

I like the diversity of car forums. Personally I have never wanted a supercar and prefer 70's and 80's stuff, like Escorts, E21/30'S etc. I guess it could be an age thing? Mind you, I couldn't afford much of a supercar anyway.

I was at a show yesterday and I also appreciate stuff similar to you and every E30 we saw grabbed our attention.

There was a MK2 Escort RS1800 that caught the eye as well, I saw a Fiesta RS Turbo too and for some daft reason I've always loved those!

We all agreed that we prefer cars from the past rather than the more modern stuff, most of my friends are in their 40's so I think we all look back with fond memories.

There was a current M3 going around the track and I was angry that you couldn't hear the exhaust at all, I want a fast car to deliver some vocality, whereas I imagine some prefer it's discreetness.

One of the main things I disliked about my E92 M3 was how quiet it was...but that's modern cars for you sadly.

[The GMan]

cerb4.5lee said:

The GMan said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Tony B2 said:

And still get so many unsolicited compliments on the car, from complete strangers.

Really It's a 3 series ffs.

Weirdly I have had more compliments/acknowledgements in my M4 than I ever got in my Aston V8V.

That does surprise me to be fair and I just see the M3/M4 as a normal car with a body kit, but I would lust after and admire the Aston though.

We're all different that's for sure.

I enjoyed my Aston but at the end of the day in my opinion it was an entry level model. It looked nice and sounded nice, but it wasn't a fast car and handling was OK. Some of the parts on it felt older than Elvis and the Volvo Sat-Nav and some Ford switch gear did my head in, even more than thinking I'm just driving a 4 series now

Edited by The GMan on Monday 26th September 17:19

[cerb4.5lee]

The GMan said:

cerb4.5lee said:

The GMan said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Tony B2 said:

And still get so many unsolicited compliments on the car, from complete strangers.

Really It's a 3 series ffs.

Weirdly I have had more compliments/acknowledgements in my M4 than I ever got in my Aston V8V.

That does surprise me to be fair and I just see the M3/M4 as a normal car with a body kit, but I would lust after and admire the Aston though.

We're all different that's for sure.

I enjoyed my Aston but at the end of the day in my opinion it was an entry level model. It looked nice and sounded nice, but it wasn't a fast car and handling was OK. Some of the parts on it felt older than Elvis and the Volvo Sat-Nav and some Ford switch gear did my head in, even more than thinking I'm just driving a 4 series now

Edited by The GMan on Monday 26th September 17:19

After my drive of the M4 Convertible I must say I was left impressed by it and I do fancy a M4 Coupe because they go like the clappers, and do the all round thing really well I reckon.

Cheers for the honest sum up of the Aston and most seem to share a similar view of them as you.

[Tony B2]

cerb4.5lee said:

Tony B2 said:

And still get so many unsolicited compliments on the car, from complete strangers.

Really It's a 3 series ffs.

Thank you for your usual stunning insight.

[daz05]

cerb4.5lee said:

Really It's a 3 series ffs.

And yet you still can't stop talking about it...

[cerb4.5lee]

I have had three 3 series, and don't get me wrong they are nice family cars and very good all round cars, yet what I don't get is how some get so precious about them though?

Its a mass produced car ffs, so what is so special about them?

If you want an exciting car you wouldn't buy a 3 series but if you want something that tries to do everything then it hits the spot for sure.

The 3 series is a massive compromise, yet it does do the best of a bad job though and I think that is why its loved so much.

Long live the best car in the world

[oliver1oo6]

cerb4.5lee said:

I have had three 3 series, and don't get me wrong they are nice family cars and very good all round cars, yet what I don't get is how some get so precious about them though?

Its a mass produced car ffs, so what is so special about them?

If you want an exciting car you wouldn't buy a 3 series but if you want something that tries to do everything then it hits the spot for sure.

The 3 series is a massive compromise, yet it does do the best of a bad job though and I think that is why its loved so much.

Long live the best car in the world

Sure, but why is being based on a mass-produced model such a bad thing? There are a lot of very good cars out there based on mass-produced models. Personally, I don't care in the slightest that the M3 is based on a 'standard chassis'. It can already take some benefits - optimised weight distribution, and an engine mounted behind the front axle. M cars then add a significant increase in torsional rigidity, a wider track, bespoke engine (traditionally more bespoke than now), steering, springs and dampers. That's quite some change.

Look at the new M4 - the torsional rigidity is close to that of not-so-old race cars. It is stiffer than most supercars - including the 458, Aventador, and the all-holy LFA. All on a "mass produced" chassis. If it means your average petrolhead can get into one sooner because of its base - all the better?

And I'm not really convinced it is a 'massive compromise' - massive compromise compared to what? It's a a sports car - which means it will generally be enjoyed on the road. For that it doesn't need to be mid-engined. Arguably a well-balanced front-engine/RWD car will be more "exciting" to overdrive on a b-road than a wound-up mid-engined track special that goes from understeer to snap oversteer before you can spot the tree you're about to hit.

[e21Mark]

Being originally based on a regular mass produced car, only to become the most successful touring car there has been (and most likely will ever be) is one of the reasons I love it. That said, it's not an opinion I need or want others to share. I also find it and exciting drive, despite it's modest power by todays standards.

[RossP]

The GMan said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Tony B2 said:

And still get so many unsolicited compliments on the car, from complete strangers.

Really It's a 3 series ffs.

Weirdly I have had more compliments/acknowledgements in my M4 than I ever got in my Aston V8V.

Lots of positive comments on my M4 too.

[Wills2]

cerb4.5lee said:

I have had three 3 series, and don't get me wrong they are nice family cars and very good all round cars, yet what I don't get is how some get so precious about them though?

Its a mass produced car ffs, so what is so special about them?

If you want an exciting car you wouldn't buy a 3 series but if you want something that tries to do everything then it hits the spot for sure.

The 3 series is a massive compromise, yet it does do the best of a bad job though and I think that is why its loved so much.

Long live the best car in the world

I think it's the fact that there is very little of the F30 in the F80 Lee, they really are different cars they share some parts like the interior mouldings,lighting and the ICE, the rest is bespoke to the F80 chassis.

The entire power train (engine/gearbox/diff/axles/prop shaft etc) the chassis (subframes etc), body panels, wheels, suspension (control arms/top mounts/dampers/springs), brakes, exhaust, seats, interior trim, steering wheel, instruments, traction control systems the list is endless.

I know some BMW owners like to think the F80 M3 is just a 330d Msport with a petrol engine in it but that's not the reality.

All cars are comprised by regulations, cost and a broad set of design objectives no car is above that.

[ant man]

I can fully understand the pull of the E92 M3 over the turbo M4. I'm now on my second E92 M3, the 1st was a manual and the current one is DCT. Between the two was a gap of over a year where I drove a family SUV.

I then wanted to get another M3 / M4 and had an extensive test drive in the Turbo M3 (F80 is it?) I was so disappointed with the feeless steering and souless engine that felt like driving a turbo diesel. Nothing excited me when driving the car which I was very surprised about as I really loved the look of the car despite it being a tad too wide for b-road blasts.

A few months later I bought my current E92 and wow! The excitement and fun that I had missed returned. The cold-start noise just adds to the anticipation of a great drive to follow. The steering has feel at speed and the engine.........the noise and performance just goes on and on! It feels relentless and unburstable; a true masterpiece along with the S85 from BMW Motorsport.

I've made some modification (performance X-pipe, remap, Ohlins R+T, AP Racing competition brakes, solid rear subframe bushes, chassis dynamics set up) to improve road performance and it is now pretty much perfect and will be a keeper.

[Wills2]

olly22n said:

FFS man you can't bang on about it and still not take any picutures!

It's just a bloody 3 series FFS!

[cerb4.5lee]

Wills2 said:

olly22n said:

FFS man you can't bang on about it and still not take any picutures!

It's just a bloody 3 series FFS!

[ashway]

cerb4.5lee said:

One of the main things I disliked about my E92 M3 was how quiet it was...but that's modern cars for you sadly.

not with the MPE, it sounds terrific