F10 M5 Review after 2 years

[Elysium]

BlueEyedBoy said:

Unrelated to the end comments on this thread, but review related.

Did / has anyone else found reverse on any sort of incline, either up or down hill almost impossible to do smoothly?

Is there any trick as I always seem to spin the wheels on anything other than a bone dry sun baked service!

I've experienced the same. I always reduce the thottle response to comfort before attempting to park as it's too sensitive in the sport modes. Particularly sport plus.

Engaging the low speed 'creep mode' helps avoid this, but sometimes that needs a bit of accelerator input on an incline, which is difficult to moderate.

I have spun the wheels when parking several times!

[Robbidoo]

Yep it's tricky for sure.

I've also had a super annoying incident where I was parked on a forward incline, right up to a wall, and when trying to reverse out the hill-start-hold feature didn't work. So as soon as I release the brake the car rolls forward, and I couldn't easily do a hill start with the parking brake as you have to be on the footbrake to release the parking brake... so I had to do a left-foot brake hill-start.

I've since been in a similar situation and the hill start assist thing worked so maybe it was just a weird bug.

[rassi]

The F10 is the only car where I have involuntarily a full reverse burnout... Exaggerating, perhaps, but on an incline it is very tricky, and anything but in Comfort will light up the rears if you don't pay attention.

[lord trumpton]

Its just a matter of adapting the driving style.

When selecting reverse, allow a second to engage, dab throttle lightly to get it moving and then just drive normally.

I owned an F80 M3 prior to this and it was the same story. Infact thinking back it was similar in the e46 SMG M3's I've owned too!

I am a bit of a driving god though which helps in achieving the pinnacle driving standards I possess

[phunkymonkey]

Fantastic review, thanks for sharing.

[V5Ade]

rassi said:

The F10 is the only car where I have involuntarily a full reverse burnout... Exaggerating, perhaps, but on an incline it is very tricky, and anything but in Comfort will light up the rears if you don't pay attention.

I've often wheel-spun while reversing into my drive, especially when running winter tyres. My neighbours must think I'm a real boy racer

[Stevej1986]

Hi guys,

My F10 M5 that I purchased 5 months ago from Arden BMW Maidstone on 82k ( a one owner full history BMW auc approved car) has now been recovered into a BMW dealer, the power steering is cutting out it is burning oil near to a litre every 500 miles, cylinder 8 misfire due to a coil issue, a hydraulic pump noise in second when cold, lots of things.... and still the 17 plate 320d msport that I have been given feels a million years behind my car, 8 years ago I used to be a service advisor at the dealership my car is at now so I’m sure they will look after it, luckily the guy from BMW assist was the same guy that I worked with then and he run a isid then drove the car in for me as I was at work, I will keep you updated.

Kind regards
Steve

[Welshbeef]

Stevej1986 said:

Hi guys,

My F10 M5 that I purchased 5 months ago from Arden BMW Maidstone on 82k ( a one owner full history BMW auc approved car) has now been recovered into a BMW dealer, the power steering is cutting out it is burning oil near to a litre every 500 miles, cylinder 8 misfire due to a coil issue, a hydraulic pump noise in second when cold, lots of things.... and still the 17 plate 320d msport that I have been given feels a million years behind my car, 8 years ago I used to be a service advisor at the dealership my car is at now so I’m sure they will look after it, luckily the guy from BMW assist was the same guy that I worked with then and he run a isid then drove the car in for me as I was at work, I will keep you updated.

Kind regards
Steve

ThNk god you have the AUc warranty.

[Robbidoo]

Good luck with it Steve. Not sure if it's further up in this thread but the oil use thing is common... although a litre every 500 miles is outside of tolerances so I wonder what they'll end up doing.

Mine hasn't used a drop in a few thousand miles, luckily enough.

I have ordered some 3M gloss black wrap and will be learning how to wrap the chrome bits this weekend!

[vkcs22]

Keep us posted Steve!

[lord trumpton]

Well I've had nothing but headache advertising mine.

It's had plenty of interest, but unfortunately the wrong type. The usual calls that start with 'best price' or 'lowest price'

No real interest in the car - just the least I'll part with it for. It's soul destroying dealing with these characters

It's on AT/PH at the moment at £25.5k which to me is an absolute steal.

If it doesn't sell soon I'll keep it until the summer and try again.

[Welshbeef]

lord trumpton said:

Well I've had nothing but headache advertising mine.

It's had plenty of interest, but unfortunately the wrong type. The usual calls that start with 'best price' or 'lowest price'

No real interest in the car - just the least I'll part with it for. It's soul destroying dealing with these characters

It's on AT/PH at the moment at £25.5k which to me is an absolute steal.

If it doesn't sell soon I'll keep it until the summer and try again.

This is an example but there are others.

[KPB1973]

lord trumpton said:

It's on AT/PH at the moment at £25.5k which to me is an absolute steal.

If it doesn't sell soon I'll keep it until the summer and try again.

Sadly I don't think the supply vs demand situation will change much in that time. There are dozens available within a small price bracket and my observation is that practically everything i've shortlisted in the last 2-3 months is still for sale.

The bottom of the market (in terms of value) is looks to be compressing - 63-plate facelift prices are beginning to overlap with pre-LCI ones.

I suspect this means that genuine buyers like myself who can afford £25.5k can free up a couple more £k and have their pick from dozens of low mileage facelift cars, including trade sales with warranty, PX etc.

As an example of the bargains to be had; on AT there's a Comp Pack 63-plate with remaining BMW warranty, fresh service, new brakes and tyres for under £29k and I suspect there's room for negotiation there too. Its a little too high on miles for my liking at 51k but great value even so.

I wish you luck in your sale though.

[lord trumpton]

KPB1973 said:

lord trumpton said:

It's on AT/PH at the moment at £25.5k which to me is an absolute steal.

If it doesn't sell soon I'll keep it until the summer and try again.

Sadly I don't think the supply vs demand situation will change much in that time. There are dozens available within a small price bracket and my observation is that practically everything i've shortlisted in the last 2-3 months is still for sale.

The bottom of the market (in terms of value) is looks to be compressing - 63-plate facelift prices are beginning to overlap with pre-LCI ones.

I suspect this means that genuine buyers like myself who can afford £25.5k can free up a couple more £k and have their pick from dozens of low mileage facelift cars, including trade sales with warranty, PX etc.

As an example of the bargains to be had; on AT there's a Comp Pack 63-plate with remaining BMW warranty, fresh service, new brakes and tyres for under £29k and I suspect there's room for negotiation there too. Its a little too high on miles for my liking at 51k but great value even so.

I wish you luck in your sale though.

Thanks for the insight...yiu clearly have a good eye on the market.

I need 24k ideally...do you think it's realistic ?

[Welshbeef]

lord trumpton said:

Thanks for the insight...yiu clearly have a good eye on the market.

I need 24k ideally...do you think it's realistic ?

The same issues prevail for a used buyer parting with >>£20k to joe Bloggs most don’t have the ready cash (and by that I mean they love PCP/are in that cycle) or/and want a part exchange facility plus AUC warranty.

They don’t see the bargain they can have from a used buyer unless it is MUCH less and even then I’d wager they will still go to the dealer

[lord trumpton]

Welshbeef said:

lord trumpton said:

Thanks for the insight...yiu clearly have a good eye on the market.

I need 24k ideally...do you think it's realistic ?

The same issues prevail for a used buyer parting with >>£20k to joe Bloggs most don’t have the ready cash (and by that I mean they love PCP/are in that cycle) or/and want a part exchange facility plus AUC warranty.

They don’t see the bargain they can have from a used buyer unless it is MUCH less and even then I’d wager they will still go to the dealer

Yeah those are my thoughts too.

BMW will warranty it for £900year so even at 24k it still makes sense.

I didn't envisage all the hassle selling it to be honest.

Some of the enquiries honestly make me wonder how many idiots are out there. Ive got some amazing text conversations from one particular chap.

[edo]

Agree people like the perceived safety of a dealer plus the part ex and finance that brings.

My car went in a week after I part exchanged it to Sytner.

[Welshbeef]

lord trumpton said:

Yeah those are my thoughts too.

BMW will warranty it for £900year so even at 24k it still makes sense.

I didn't envisage all the hassle selling it to be honest.

Some of the enquiries honestly make me wonder how many idiots are out there. Ive got some amazing text conversations from one particular chap.

Can you not let a dealer sell it for you and split the margin? I’m sure they would do that/some would which then gives the buyer the safety net of buying from AUC

[BMWBen]

lord trumpton said:

KPB1973 said:

lord trumpton said:

It's on AT/PH at the moment at £25.5k which to me is an absolute steal.

If it doesn't sell soon I'll keep it until the summer and try again.

Sadly I don't think the supply vs demand situation will change much in that time. There are dozens available within a small price bracket and my observation is that practically everything i've shortlisted in the last 2-3 months is still for sale.

The bottom of the market (in terms of value) is looks to be compressing - 63-plate facelift prices are beginning to overlap with pre-LCI ones.

I suspect this means that genuine buyers like myself who can afford £25.5k can free up a couple more £k and have their pick from dozens of low mileage facelift cars, including trade sales with warranty, PX etc.

As an example of the bargains to be had; on AT there's a Comp Pack 63-plate with remaining BMW warranty, fresh service, new brakes and tyres for under £29k and I suspect there's room for negotiation there too. Its a little too high on miles for my liking at 51k but great value even so.

I wish you luck in your sale though.

Thanks for the insight...yiu clearly have a good eye on the market.

I need 24k ideally...do you think it's realistic ?

Should be - I sold mine for 24.5 a month ago (2011, good options, 36k miles, just been serviced)... It was to one of those "what's your best price" people however, and wasn't the most pleasant or easy transaction. I got the price I wanted in the end though! I guess sometimes they do indeed have the money and if you can work through all the BS there is a deal to be done.

[KPB1973]

lord trumpton said:

Thanks for the insight...yiu clearly have a good eye on the market.

I need 24k ideally...do you think it's realistic ?

Yes, I think so - it would put yours in a slightly different price bracket where it looks a bit of a bargain against the high mileage cheapos just beneath it.

However, I think selling it via a dealer might also be a good option as its a win-win for all concerned. They can command a slightly higher price, the buyer gets peace of mind, you'll get very similar money and won't have to deal with the numpties.

I appreciate that might not be an option if the M5 is your daily driver though.