F10 M5 Review after 2 years
Discussion
Welshbeef said:
cseven said:
when you increase wheel size you decrease tyre profile so giving the same overall wheel/tyre diameter and rolling radius. If you didn't your speedo would be out (as well as your handling).
Visually the 20’s fill the arch far more than 19’s how does that work?
Thought I would just jump in here and add my 2p worth. Bought my M5 Competition pack Car with 9k miles on more than 2 years ago. Searched for absolutely ages to find it.
BMW had 107 M5 in there used line
at the time. Nearly 1/2 of them were MC blue, that was lucky as I wanted MCBlue. I also wanted Full leather/ only 2 cars at that time had full leather.
Lucky for me one of these was MCBlue, original owner had specced Car to £95k.
So aircooled Seats, soft close, led lights, the best seats, heated front/rear, privacy glass, blinds all round electric boot, competition pack and so the list goes on.
Didn’t love the car right away, jeez it felt huge over my 997 Turbo( which I still have)
But found after using it for a few months and taking it to classic LeMans on a Euro tour it just seem to wrap itself around me.
What an absolutes amazing stupendous super Car, which will Carry 5 in luxurious comfort.
If you get the chance to own one, jump in with both feet no hesitation.
They are superb.......
Cheers Al
BMW had 107 M5 in there used line
at the time. Nearly 1/2 of them were MC blue, that was lucky as I wanted MCBlue. I also wanted Full leather/ only 2 cars at that time had full leather.
Lucky for me one of these was MCBlue, original owner had specced Car to £95k.
So aircooled Seats, soft close, led lights, the best seats, heated front/rear, privacy glass, blinds all round electric boot, competition pack and so the list goes on.
Didn’t love the car right away, jeez it felt huge over my 997 Turbo( which I still have)
But found after using it for a few months and taking it to classic LeMans on a Euro tour it just seem to wrap itself around me.
What an absolutes amazing stupendous super Car, which will Carry 5 in luxurious comfort.
If you get the chance to own one, jump in with both feet no hesitation.
They are superb.......
Cheers Al
Should also add, I was originally looking at a new 535d(great Car)
Then spoke with a BMW Tech who was a friend of a friend and said it was
Looking at either a new 535d or a used M5.
He couldn’t believe I could contemplate one over the other. He said if you can get
An M5 it’s a no brainier.
One is a good car, and the other is an all world Supercar. He was spot on !!!!!!!!
If you have a chance to get an M5 don’t hesitate.
Then spoke with a BMW Tech who was a friend of a friend and said it was
Looking at either a new 535d or a used M5.
He couldn’t believe I could contemplate one over the other. He said if you can get
An M5 it’s a no brainier.
One is a good car, and the other is an all world Supercar. He was spot on !!!!!!!!
If you have a chance to get an M5 don’t hesitate.
mcerbm said:
The dual clutch gearbox is praised in reviews as being very good, I have driven an E60 and its box is pretty terrible in auto but reasonable when driving quickly (brief throttle lift during a change when driving fast and it works well) for the F10 its pretty good but I think a manual works better in a few situations. The F10 does change smoothly but its still a computer controlled clutch when pulling away from a standstill and it can sometimes not act as you expect. Its characteristics when pulling away in 1st and 2nd are very different and it is inconsistent in which gear it picks, mostly 2nd for pulling away then sometimes 1st. its good to look at the dash if you are pulling away in a tight spot at a round about, or better put it in manual mode to know what you are getting. delicate edging forward or backwards is still a bit tricky, the car has a mode where you tap the throttle to let it know its a small movement required, if you are edging up to a wall, the process involves, a tap on throttle, immediately hovering over brake with a light brush to slow the movement but not enough for the car to cancel the move because you pushed the brake too much. if the car has just started and is idling fast, forget it, it thinks its at santa pod when you request a delicate move forward.
Resurrecting this to ask about low speed maneuvering from current / previous owners. Having previously owned a PDK 997.2 I thought I knew what to expect from a DCT, but I am finding the behaviour of the M5 really tricky.
Basically I'm having the exact same issues as the OP states above. What I'm curious about is whether this is a fault or not. I've found a few threads from the US talking about this being a clutch pack problem, and having them replaced completely solving the issue. Has anyone been down that route who has found this behaviour difficult.
Robbidoo said:
Resurrecting this to ask about low speed maneuvering from current / previous owners.
Having previously owned a PDK 997.2 I thought I knew what to expect from a DCT, but I am finding the behaviour of the M5 really tricky.
Basically I'm having the exact same issues as the OP states above. What I'm curious about is whether this is a fault or not. I've found a few threads from the US talking about this being a clutch pack problem, and having them replaced completely solving the issue. Has anyone been down that route who has found this behaviour difficult.
I don't think its an issue.Having previously owned a PDK 997.2 I thought I knew what to expect from a DCT, but I am finding the behaviour of the M5 really tricky.
Basically I'm having the exact same issues as the OP states above. What I'm curious about is whether this is a fault or not. I've found a few threads from the US talking about this being a clutch pack problem, and having them replaced completely solving the issue. Has anyone been down that route who has found this behaviour difficult.
I live and daily drive my M6 Gran Coupe in Central London.
Once you are used to it, the clutch take up is fine. If you depress the throttle abruptly the clutch take up / grab is sudden and fires you forwards. (It assumes you want to take off hard, which is fair enough). However if you are gentle with the throttle on initial contact it slips the clutch nicely and you can move off very smoothly indeed.
In terms of the car determining whether you take off in 1st or 2nd in Drive mode, I believe it analyses how you have been driving, in terms of aggression, for a short period before you pull up at traffic lights for example. If you have been pootling around recently it decides to start you off in 2nd. If you have been driving relatively spiritedly before pulling up it will start you off in 1st.
At the lights, a quick move of the lever into manual mode and back to D mode will put you in 1st from 2nd if you want. Or whilst depressing the brake a tiny jab of the throttle also puts you in 1st from 2nd too. Funnily enough though there is enough torque, to see off pretty much anything else on the road, taking off in 2nd too.... But probably not the best for clutch longevity
Also if anyone doesn't yet know : If you are in Manual Mode in say 7th at 50 mph and you suddenly want maximum acceleration. Floor the throttle past the kickdown detent and simultaneously pull the gearshift DOWN paddle or gear shift lever forward and it will immediately put you into the lowest gear possible, for the road speed, to give you instant maximum acceleration. Saves you having to click the gearbox down 4 times repeatedly to say 3rd from 7th.
I will keep working on it but it's when trying to edge into the last few inches of a parking space that I find really tricky. The car lives in an underground garage and my space requires using a car elevator, and I only have about 5 inches of clearance front-to-back.
Found it trivial to nose right up to the wall in the PDK Porsche, not so much in this...
Found it trivial to nose right up to the wall in the PDK Porsche, not so much in this...
Robbidoo said:
I will keep working on it but it's when trying to edge into the last few inches of a parking space that I find really tricky. The car lives in an underground garage and my space requires using a car elevator, and I only have about 5 inches of clearance front-to-back.
Found it trivial to nose right up to the wall in the PDK Porsche, not so much in this...
IIRC if you tap the accelerator a few times it knows yiu are manouvering which I found helped when reversing into my garageFound it trivial to nose right up to the wall in the PDK Porsche, not so much in this...
Robbidoo said:
I will keep working on it but it's when trying to edge into the last few inches of a parking space that I find really tricky. The car lives in an underground garage and my space requires using a car elevator, and I only have about 5 inches of clearance front-to-back.
Found it trivial to nose right up to the wall in the PDK Porsche, not so much in this...
Are you sure you have found the creep function ?Found it trivial to nose right up to the wall in the PDK Porsche, not so much in this...
As stated by others, just give the throttle ONE very light tap and it engages the creep mode in Forward or Reverse (as per a normal Auto box car) and then you fine tune the ultimate crawl speed with light brake pedal pressure
My m5 is he first time I’ve used dct, it’s incredibly natural to drive. The creep function is completely intuitive to me and I find way easier to park than my long nosed, heavy clutched Z4m. It’s great around town even if the ability to wring out the engine on the faster stretches is diminished due to the licence worrying speeds generated!
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